Right-Wing site Doesn't like Gonzales either...

[The Doctor.]

Of all the Right-Wing sites I frequent, I can say that many at Right Nation reflect some of my conservatives leanings (mostly fiscal). A few there even have an empirical and ojective grasp of politics... unlike some other 'conservative' sites.

Sure, there are the homophobes and fundie freaks, but on occasion I run accross the real down-to-earth conservatives I can relate to.

It's no surprise to see that even conservatives are taking issue with some of the Bush** regimes decisions;


"Alberto Gonzales: This Guy is an Idiot

This Guy is an Idiot
"Uhhh... they might be unlawful aliens but otherwise lawful citizens"

"Senate Confirmation Hearing - Jan 6

Gonzales: There is no requirement, of course, upon state and locals to enforce federal immigration laws. It is purely voluntary. In fact, of course, some states have prohibitions . They couldn't, even if they wanted to. In some cases, the department, as I understand it, has entered into with state and local departments in terms of memorandums of understandings in order to enforce this . I certainly am sensitive to the notion that some local law enforcement people don't want to exercise this authority. Well, we're not saying that they have to. If they want to they can assist in fighting the war on terror, that's what this opinion allows us to do. Personally I would worry about a policy that permits someone, a local law enforcement official, to use this authority somehow as a club to harass uhh they might be unlawful aliens but otherwise lawful citizens. That would be troubling. That would be troubling to the President.

Link: http://www.americanpatrol.com/"
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. You people who treat the Republican party as a religion can spin it any way you like it and you can call me all the names you want, but if this guy is going to replace John Ashcroft then we are screwed. Plain and simple. This guy is a stooge. Unlawful aliens, but otherwise lawful citizens? And he knows this how?

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Say what you want, but this guy is weak and so undeserving of this post. Not because he's Latino (if your going to use that as your defense people, save your breathe because I won't bother responding to you), but it's because of statements like this.

Where's Miguel Estrada when you need him? At least he was willing to enforce the laws of the land (at least I think he was)."

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=64862&st=0


It shouldn't surprise anyone that many agree with the OP in the rest of the thread.
How long till Bush** even pisses off the 'Christians'?

[w4rma]

1. They really don't. Democratic politicians hurt our party by not going all

out on this guy. They could be getting political capital right now. It's almost as if they WANT to lose.

[InvisibleBallots]

2. Dean should come out strongly anti-illegal immigrant

Grant an amnesty to the ones already here, and deport the criminals. Jail any CEO that hires illegals. Put labor and environment protections in the trade agreements, and have the unions run an agency to enforce them.

[The Doctor.]

4. I agree...

There are many conservative stances Dean can take regarding immigration, a balanced budget, and energy independence.
(anyone who tells you those aren't conservative is clueless)

Dean was met with much derision by people who knew nothing about him, but if he can get his more moderate views across he'll be a good leader.

[NoodleBoy]

3. hurray-- yes, MORE party splits. instead of just a third-party in 2008 for

fundies, create a FOURTH party for plain-old fed-up common-sense Republicans.

Democratic sweep of all the states except Utah (their votes go to the fundy 3rd party)

[bloom]

5. From the Democracy Now site:

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: The Department Of Justice memo that we're all talking about now was in my opinion, Judge Gonzales, not a little bit wrong, but entirely wrong in its focus. Because it excluded another body of law called the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. Mr. Chairman, I have asked since October for memos from the working group by Judge Advocate General representatives that commented on this Department Of Justice policy, and I have yet to get those memos. I have read those memos. They're classified for some bizarre reason. But generally speaking, those memos talk about that if you go down the road suggested, you're making a u-turn as a nation, that you are going to lose the moral high ground, but more importantly, some of the techniques and legal reasoning being employed into what torture is, which is an honest thing to talk about, it's okay to ask for legal advice. You should ask for legal advice. But this legal memo, I think, put our troops at jeopardy because the Uniform Code of Military Justice specifically makes it a crime for a member of our uniformed forces to abuse a detainee. It is a specific article of the Uniformed Code Of Military Justice for a purpose -- because we want to show our troops, not just in words, but in deeds that you have an obligation to follow the law. I would like for you to comment, if you could, and I would like you to reject, if you would, the reasoning in that memo when it came time to give a torturers view of torture. Will you be willing to do that here today?

ALBERTO GONZALES: Senator, there is a lot to respond to in your statement. I would respectfully disagree with your statement that we're becoming more like our enemy. We are nothing like our enemy, Senator. While we are struggling to try to find out at Abu Ghraib, they're beheading people like Danny Pearl and Nick Berg. We are nothing like our enemy.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: Can I suggest to you that I didn't say that we are like our enemy, that the worst thing we did when you compare it to Saddam Hussein was a good day there. But we're not like who we want to be, and who we have been. That's the point I'm trying to make. That when you start looking at torture statutes, and you look at ways around the spirit of the law, that you're losing the moral high ground, and that was the counsel from the Secretary Of State's office that once you start down this road, that it's very hard to come back. So, I do believe we have lost our way, and my challenge to you as a leader of this nation is to help us find our way without giving up our obligation and right to fight our enemy.


AMY GOODMAN: Republican Senator, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina questioning Alberto Gonzales at his confirmation hearings for Attorney General. Mark Danner, our guest, author of Torture And Truth: America, Abu Ghraib And The War On Terror. Your response.

MARK DANNER: Well, to me, that was the most interesting and the most important part in the entire hearings yesterday. Senator Lindsey Graham is a conservative republican from South Carolina. He also was and remains, I guess, as a reserve, a member of the Judge Advocate General in the Air Force. So, he is a military lawyer.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/07/1621235

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Some of them "get it".