the GOP media owns you. They own the agenda and the discussion.

[montana500]

you are all being played like pawns. They are dictating the discussion. They even have tons of dems thinking they are all wrong, and that something is horrible wrong with the party.

This is a sad day. CBS, the last bastion of neutral media i nthe U.S, has been destroyed by the GOP media monster.

Nevermind that FOx news put up a bogus report on it's website. Nevermind that the WHITE HOUSE used taxpayer money to pay a columnist to spread propaganda The REAL news is the witch hunt on CBS.

A sad, sad day. It's going to get alot worse, folks. As long as our cowardly billionaire dem leaders refuse to put their money where their mouth is, we are in deep, deep trouble.

[ewagner]

1. Something specific? n/t

[mattclearing]

2. Nonsense. What discussion?

All I ever see is shouting. They only pause to let us know that we are conspiracy kooks.

When someone on our side gets a word in edgewise (last Thursday aside), wake me up.

Oh, you're talking about that liberal bastion, CBS. You can't be serious.

[montana500]

6. what discussion?

how about the dail discussion of polictics across the country 24/7? HOw about complete control of news updates on every radio station across the country? HOw about control of the TV news and what is seen on almost every tv station in America?

It;s not *the discussion*, it's every discussion. And you can thank the assholes who let the media ownership rules weaken from 30 total to over 1000 in 1996.

[mattclearing]

8. Yeah, I know. My point is that you can't have a discussion...

...when your side isn't allowed to participate in an equal fashion.

And I take issue with the assertion that CBS is liberal. The mere likelihood that Dan Rather votes for Democrats doesn't mean anything about his employers' political leanings.

[eg101]

3. No, it's the "corporate media," and they own BOTH GOP & Dem parties

and we have been in deep, deep trouble for a long time...

[montana500]

4. backwards

GOP companies own the media. And the media owns the dems.

[blondeatlast]

13. You need to read "The Republican Noise Machine" if you believe that.

The problem is that the media is corporate owned, and lazy, and spoon fed their talking points--straight from the RW, tax-exempt think tanls like the Heritage Foundation.

Yes, there is too much corporate influence in the Democratic party--this yellow dog Dem sees it clearly. But the media is decidely NOT part of of it.

[blm]

19. No kidding. The Dems are the TARGETS of the corporate media.

They are hardly conspirators WITH them.

[mcscajun]

17. I agree....and I wish everyone would stop saying "MSM"...

and hammer home "Corporate Media" at every possible opportunity.

[Pachamama]

5. The Corporations own the media & the GOP - not me! Yes, they are

contolling the message, but I'm not being played by them...I see them for what they are and I don't even listen to them anymore, only to voyeuristically monitor how screwed up THEY are and to get a read on what the GOP strategy, messaging & positioning is...

Regarding my "thoughts" on the Dem Party, I came to those all on my own through watching the Dem party and its own actions. Last Thursday while I watched on C-SPAN the spineless Dems who didn't stand bravely with the 34 courageous and patriotic "TRUE DEMS", was the day that I decided that I am switching my party affiliation to Green and that I'm not giving a penny to the DNC until they can show otherwise. I think there is something horribly wrong with both parties and the system. The system is broke and I'm not looking towards either one to fix it anymore. Time for something new. That's a conclusion I came to all on my own - not influenced through media.

Yes, its a very sad day - sad that our media and government is owned by Corporations, sad that the DNC and Dems have forgotten their roots and what they need to do. Even sadder is that Americans can't even see what is happening and act upon it.

[cestpaspossible]

10. Even if you came to that conclusion on your own.

The action you are taking: switching ... party affiliation to Green and that I'm not giving a penny to the DNC

is exactly the action the GOP wants you to take. So you have independently reached the wrong conclusion.

[Pachamama]

18. Like I said, my decision wasn't affected by anything the GOP did, its the

actions of the DNC that made me come to that decision all on my own. The DNC alone has responsibility for that one. Until they start showing that they deserve my money and support again, I'm sending them a loud and clear message to them. Funny enough, I received another letter and phone call from them today wanting "more money" (I've given very generously in the last several years...I sent them a copy of the $10,000 chrck my husband and I wrote recently...told them that unless they start paying attention and remembering what the Democratic party stands for there won't be anymore of those coming ever again.

At this point, short of them getting Dr Dean as their new Chairman, my checkbook is closed and I'm going to work with Greens and other 3rd party progressives to change this "One Party" System we currently have...

[blm]

7. I'm with you on this...100%. Dems are being BS'd into believing the issues

represented in the platform are not in touch with the American people. THAT'S A LIE. A CON JOB by the GOPcontrolled media.

Dems will ONLY win AFTER they expose the GOP's control of most of the media and most of the voting machines.

[montana500]

9. yep

""Dems will ONLY win AFTER they expose the GOP's control of most of the media and most of the voting machines""

Yep. It's as simple as that. A media that reports the NEWS, voting reform, and we win.

They have managed to control the dialogue for a long time now, at least since 97.

[Harry S Truman]

11. right you are

excellent post!

[blondeatlast]

14. Precisely, absolutely, damn straight!

I've thought that same thing for some time.

:toast:

[el_gato]

12. CBS a bastion of neutral media? seems like even you have been fooled

CBS has never been concerned with exposing the truth either.

[PATRICK]

15. Even journalists

themselves are so conditioned by the system they don't get the harm they are doing. It is more massive a society wide bog of self-deception than specific media propaganda, though such planning is done with impunity and fed without critique down to local level drudges.

It is too big for someone within to get without losing their job for being a crazy person. There has been not much a sad day but sad decades of pumped electronic glitz and declining real journalism and shrinking newspapers. The fact one can be disappointed means that one has misplaced faith in such a decadent fundamental incapacity for critically doing the job of a free press. So bad that it shelters renegade propagandists and monstrosities like Clear Channel, Fox and the Sinclair Group like big business permits Enrons and banking scandals.

There has been no bastion of a neutral media because the professionalism and accomplishments of the American scene has been overblown and under critiqued for dangerously too long. Now, the cancer full blown, the patient is raving mad and delusional and in denial.

You and I are the dismayed last "bastion" of truth-seeking and telling. You can't trust someone who isn't doing their job, at least as far as the job goes.

[blondeatlast]

16. "Don't get the harm they are doing..." I couldn't agree more.

I've written to journalists, pointing out items that directly contradict what has been in their stories. (I'm a researcher and library assistant, and I know what a reliable source is and isn't!).

I get the usual polite responses, even when I point out the danger such behavior poses to democracy.

Until we have an objective media, this democracy is pretty much going to hell in a handbasket. I don't want them to be biased towards ANY political direction. I want them to be truthful, and objective, and hungry as hell.

Can you tell I grew up during Watergate?