Who is Rosenberg, the guy Trippi endorsed?

[genius]

Is he a liberal, conservative or moderate? I would like to know about more of the candidates.

[tjdee]

1. Chris Heinz supports him too, try to find his post...

Don't remember if it was here or plain old GD.

Chris Heinz posted on it.

[BurtWorm]

2. He co-founded the New Democrat Network with Lieberman

a DLC spin-off. He says the war in Iraq was a "good idea." Chris Heinz and Kos like him, for what it's worth. Then, too, so does the WSJ. :puke:

PS: He's the anti-Dean, the cold water the establishment guys are trying to throw on the grass fire in the grass roots.

[genius]

3. OK. That's bad.

[madfloridian]

4. Former field director of the DLC

Formed the NDN network.

[Goldeneye]

5. While were talking about candidates again

can someone tell me about Dean on environmental issues...I like him, but I read somewhere that he wasn't big on the environment. anyone?

[fujiyama]

6. I'd say he's a moderate

The NDN isn't quite the same as the DLC and there are differences, though I'm not exactly sure if them.

He's done some stuff with Hispanic outreach. He wouldn't be bad, except I'm uneasy about his comment stating the war was a "good idea". That makes me nervous.

For now, I think Dean is the most effective of those running.

[Tinoire]

7. Free-trade lobbyist, Lieberman protege, War-pusher/apologist

Pure DLC or New Donkey as they're calling themselves these days.

(September 9, 2004) With Rosenberg as DNC chair, the RNC will facetiously crow from the rooftops that they are glad DNC chair is supporting the President on the war on terror and in Iraq. While supporting the war is not a kind of position that would disqualify anyone from the position of DNC chair, the way in which Rosenberg defended and continues to defend the president’s decision bothers me.

For instance, he gave the RNC ammo on John Gibson’s show on Fox News, Sept. 9th of this year. Rosenberg said “I think the debate that is not happening is whether or not the war was a good idea. The war was a good idea. I think the American people were behind the President.” In that same interview with John Gibson Rosenberg said “The President was resolute and strong in his decision to go to war. He may also have been wrong in the way they executed it.” Rosenberg's problem is that he says the President MAY have been wrong in the way he executed that while our candidate was very clear that the President WAS wrong. This kind of statement illustrates how Rosenberg cannot lead a strong, aggressive opposition party, which is essential in today's DNC chair.


http://mars.typepad.com/no_retreat_no_surrender/2004/11/the_case_agains.html

[BurtWorm]

8. New Donkey? As if these guys have any kick to them!

Toy elephant is more like it.

PS: Are they ashamed to call themselves Democrats? :wtf:

[Tinoire]

9. Personally, I like New Donkey.. Conjures up visions of asses and bull-shit

The DLC's marketing department couldn't have handed anti-DLCers a funner gift if they had thought about it, sitting on both hands, for weeks straight.

You'll notice that many in the same movement are calling it the "Democrat" Party more and more also.

[CrazyConspiracyGuy]

15. okay, that is funny

I'm not sure I agree with your point, but that made me laugh :)

"Personally, I like New Donkey.. Conjures up visions of asses and bull-shit"
Posted by Tinoire

The DLC's marketing department couldn't have handed anti-DLCers a funner gift if they had thought about it, sitting on both hands, for weeks straight.

You'll notice that many in the same movement are calling it the "Democrat" Party more and more also. "

Lol! I didn't think of it that way!

[Tinoire]

17. Honestly. I don't like the DLC but even so, I hate to see anyone

be straddled with such a name. It's just too... inviting!

Welcome to DU :toast:

[FightinNewDem]

20. "funner"?

[JohnnyRingo]

10. Daily Kos went in detail about him last week:

<excerpt>
Simon Rosenberg is quickly shaping up to be everone's second choice for DNC chairmanship, a fact that may prove useful if the battle for the job gets tied up between the Dean and anti-Dean factions.
While there are plenty of profiles of the man floating around, the best is still this July Matt Bai piece in the New York Times Magazine.

Ambitious and hyperarticulate, Rosenberg once worked for the Democratic Leadership Council, the centrist group that laid the groundwork for Clinton's '92 campaign, before splitting off and forming his own political-action committee in 1996. Although he made his name in the party as a centrist New Democrat, Rosenberg, now 40, saw opportunities for his organization -- and, naturally, for himself -- in the increasingly confrontational slant of the party's base during the Bush administration. He didn't agree with all of Howard Dean's positions, but Rosenberg was among the first centrist Democrats to embrace Dean, sensing early on the potential of Dean's following. While the Democratic Leadership Council attacked Dean for his angry brand of populism, Rosenberg looked for a way to tap into the genuine passion among Democrats for a more creative, more defiant kind of politics. He talked to donors around the country, like Andy Rappaport, who were angry at the Clintonesque rhetoric that obscured the sharp ideological divide between them and the Rush Limbaugh right; they were desperate for new policy ideas and for a more aggressive, coherent strategy.

More at daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/6/112326/490

[elsiesummers]

12. On the cspan forum "hyperarticulate" was what I thought, too.

Certainly a far cry better than many up there - especially better than Roehmer (god that guy is blow dried and plastic).

I noticed that at the end when he left early, he and Dean exchanged a strong handshake and would "be in touch" so you could tell there was a relationship there (sort of like the primary debates and the visible relationship between Edwards and Kucinich, and also Lieberman and Sharpton, IMO).

Of the lot on the cspan panel, Dean and Rosenberg were the most impressive - Webb was OK; so was Frost. The rest made missteps or had something about them that was a turn off.

[JohnnyRingo]

14. Rosenburg sounds like a "man with a plan" for sure.

But I don't dislike Buxh because he's a republican....I don't like his policies and "values".

If indeed Rosenburg is going to steer the party in the direction of "Buxh Lite" for the sake of winning elections.....Well, I stand on the left side of the dem party.

Then again, anything to stop the current trend to the right.

[cosmicdot]

11. links to other threads to help out

but, first ... here's a snip from "The Democrats' Da Vinci Code" by David J. Sirota re progressive victories in red states/a populist economic agenda

"It also threatens groups like the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), which has pushed the Democratic Party to give up on its working-class roots and embrace big business' agenda. These New Democrats, backed by huge corporate contributions, say that the party must reduce corporate regulation and embrace a free-trade policy that is wiping out local economies throughout the heartland. They have the nerve to call this agenda "centrist" even though poll after poll shows it is far out of the mainstream. Yet these centrists get slaughtered at the ballot box, and their counterparts -- the progressive economic populists -- are racking up wins and relegating the DLC argument to the scrap heap."

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=8956

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S5D22173A

"Rosenberg's elevation would be a vindication of Liebermanism - WSJ"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1487586

"Message from Chris Heinz"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1485698

"Rosenberg: 'The war was a good idea'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1478920

[ClarkUSA]

13. I vote Dean For DNC Chairman and Simon Rosenberg as COO

The work to rebuild this Party is going to take both of their energy and ideas.

[itzamirakul]

16. I wouldn't want Rosenberg

as local dog-catcher.

[Capn Sunshine]

18. I'll tell you who he is

He's a wing of the NDOL and his org was founded by Lieberman fer chrissakes.

So he's a de facto business as usual insider tied to the inside the beltway lobbyist accomodating Dem DC establishment.

Of course he pretends to be something else. But knowing this history remember it when you see endorsements from others in the party. Gives you a glimpse as to where they stand regarding reforming the party. Most of these guys think nothing's wrong, that we just need to move further right.

So back Rosenberg if you want to see the Dems continue on their present course.

[Walt Starr]

19. He's a deal breaker for me

:shrug:

I'm not very impressed with him. Too close to teh DLC line, IMO. In fact, IMO, he's the DLC "good guy" candidate to put up against their "bad guy" candidate in order to assure Dean does not win.

He doesn't fly with me.