The main reason to not support Dean as DNC chair.

[Renew Deal]

The reason why you wouldn't want Dean to win the DNC job? You want to keep your comfy job. All these shills that are pulling for Rosenberg or some others have a reason. They want to keep their comfortable, well paying job with the DNC. You know what people? NO! Get the fuck out of our offices. This DNC chair vote will be critical to the party. Will it be more of the same or will it be a real populist change?

BTW, the DNC chairman should be pro-choice at minimum.

[Darth_Kitten]

1. You should be more direct

:)

[Speck Tater]

2. The REAL main reason to not support Dean

is that you want to maintin the same status quo that is losing us election after election.

[cincinnati_liberal]

4. I would agree

if his main opponent were not the breed of pro-lifer Dem that thinks the party needs to 'flip-flop' an issue to win elections. That's not the direction we need to take. Abandoning civil liberties is a very bad idea seeing as how it's the foundation of the party. But that's just my opinion.

[Jon8503]

3. The Dems & Repukes Did Not Want Dean To Be the Dem

Nominee.

Now on Fox they were again talking up how we don't want Dean to be the DNC Chairperson. This is on their evening talk show with their neo cons or right wingers.

Should we all ask ourselves why does the Right Wingers say Dean is a loser and seem to be so afraid of him.

Are we going to let the Right Wingers again pick our candidate?

Could we have done any worse with Dean as the democratic candidate for President.

For me it time for a change in our leadership and we start making the decisions for the party instead of letting the right wing make them for us.

Remember how they told the Dems to be nice at the convention. You don't want to attack the President and appear to be too radical. Be Nice.

Does anyone remember the niceties the Republicans had for the Dems at their convention.

We need a leader that is not afraid to stand up and fight. There is nothing wrong with the values and the goals of the dems or left wing. All we need is a messenger to get the message out and be able to deliver it in a way that all will understand.

[NickofTime]

5. Dean's the One!

Fiscal conservative, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage!

[Eric J in MN]

7. Howard Dean signed a civil unions bill, but I don't think he

ever said we need gay-marriage in all 50 states.

[Radical Activist]

10. He didn't even say we needed civil unions in all 50 states

He said it should be left up to the states, just like Dick Cheney.

[lojasmo]

12. But he said that as a response to the anti-marriage amendment

trial balloon....way to take things out of context.

[Radical Activist]

15. That's not such a bad thing

but remember, it isn't pandering when Dean does it. Dean has backbone.

[lojasmo]

17. What the hell? N/T

[Radical Activist]

18. I was being sarcastic

When someone like Edwards takes the same position he is criticized for pandering and not standing up for Democratic beliefs. Dean can do the same thing and still be praised for standing up for his beliefs.

[lojasmo]

20. I sure never criticized Edwards for taking that stance.

Of course I never heard him say "boo" about civil unions.

[Radical Activist]

6. Because people will think it meant they changed something

if Dean is elected chair. While in reality Dean will represent more status quo but with progressive, reformist language. People will sit back, stop fighting, and not notice when the DNC stays just the same because they think getting Dean in there will actually make a difference.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Are you a Democrat? If so, who do you want for DNC Chair? (nt)

nt

[Radical Activist]

9. Yes, I'm a Democrat

I'm not excited about anyone running and think people are placing too much emphasis on who is elected DNC chair. If I could pick anyone it would be Jesse Jackson.

[FrenchieCat]

19. I think the reason why there is such excitement about the

DNC Chair election is because that is one election that a Democrat is guaranteed to win.

Finally, we win! Yeah!:bounce:

[Orangepeel]

27. not necessarily. Roemer could win

:D

[Eloriel]

11. Just what "status quo" is that?

He wants to build a grassroots organization again -- from the ground up. He wants to finance the DNC with (gasp!) contributions from everyday people, not corporations.

He wants us to "SHOW UP" in every race in every state. Imagine that. He wants to use DNC funds to make sure every state has a core staff and that we have a viable organization in every state. With MeetUps in his past, seems to me this is more than just talk on his part.

Most of all, he wants the Party to be an opposition Party -- you know, stand for something.

I really don't understand your anti-Dean bias, but I DO understand that it you are either terribly ill-informed or being purposely disingenuous. Or possibly some combination, I suppose.

Put another way: yer talkin' outta yer ass.

Edirted to add: Jesse Jackson? I love both Jesses, but neither are, IMO, good organizers (in the organizational sense, they're terrific activist organizers) and executives, and that's what's also needed here, desperately. It's another reason I think Dean would do well: he's a thinker/doer -- someone who can dream big dreams, and then go ACCOMPLISH them. He has a very good record of achievement in his political career, and is very forward thinking as well. It's a superb combination.

[Radical Activist]

13. Dean talks good

but talk isn't good enough for some people. Dean has a history of not backing up his progressive language and nice sounding statements.

Just because someone doesn't like Dean doesn't mean they are being disingenuous. What have I posted that isn't true? The man isn't God and you would probably sound more reasonable if you could acknowledge that.

In the end I think Dean has been trying to cozy up to the party establishment for a while now and he will probably allow them to pressure him to maintain the status quo.

[Carolab]

16. Plus, he is an EXCELLENT leader, and

he had the best poll numbers of any of the Democratic candidates in the Southern states and at this point probably the best poll numbers of any candidate in the northern states.

IOW, HE IS THE GUY THAT EVERYBODY WANTS!

And, everyone says, we need a Karl Rove. WE'VE GOT ONE!!!!!! Dean scares the piss out of Rove.

[David Zephyr]

14. Very good reasons, Bleachers7

most objective and I agree completely. ;-)

[Freddie Stubbs]

21. Which current DNC employees have endorsed Rosenberg?

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Can anyone answer that question?

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

29. What do you mean by employees?

Do you mean candidates, consultants, office holders, secretaries? It depends on what you mean. I don't know of office workers, but I have heard about guys like Trippi and others in the DNC.

[Guaranteed]

23. BEST POST THIS WEEK.

It won't get it, of course, but I'm nominating. :)

Thank you, Bleachers.

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. It would be a good post if someone would answer the question

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1492715#1493022

[marcologico]

25. Reason: Dean would be perfect IF he could be trusted not to run in '08,

but I'm pretty sure nobody's buying that line (what's a politician's promise worth anyway?). He wouldn't be a good candidate and he'd screw anybody who beat him in the primaries or threatened to. Just my take.

[BlueInRed]

26. I actually do believe him

and it seems to me Dean has been permanently damaged as a presidential candidate, even though I think he would be good. I think even Dean recognizes he'd have a much easier time winning DNC chair than winning the presidential primaries in 08. And surely he knows he will be attacked non-stop as DNC chair, further limiting his chances as a presidential candidate in 08. If they had ammunition against him this time, just wait until he's had 4 years of Sunday talk shows as the DNC chair.

I really think the DNC chair spot is his niche -- perfect for him and important for the party. It allows the base to be happy and energized and more open to fielding a less controversial candidate for president in 08. And it opens up the fundraising in ways no other candidate can. There are people in the base who will trust Dean with their money who won't trust any of the other DNC candidates. Plus I sincerely believe he wants to give power back to local parties, which is very critical in purple states.

It seems to me if the DNC chair goes to a DLC supported candidate, the power struggle within the party will escalate further and the primaries in 08 will be a brutal blood bath between the base and the DLC. If Dean or someone like him gets DNC, the base will feel it is being heard, which will allow some healing and more openness to a moderate candidate in 08. JIMO.

[Dems4HowardDean]

28. Dean is the reason I'm interested in Politics! He should

lead the Democrats.YEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!