Graner: Led away in shackles after getting 10 years and giggling? WTF?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

"Jan. 15, 2005: Army soldiers escort Spc. Charles Graner into custody in shackles after he was sentenced to 10 years in jail."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144492,00.html

[Nikepallas]

1. I smell a pardon ...

[The Night Owl]

23. I doubt Graner will be pardoned after what his mother said to the media...

Graner's mother blamed Bush and Rumsfeld, by name, for ordering her son to do what he did. She sounded pissed.

[gjb]

27. I smell a post pardon release party. Maybe Bush will be their and .....

cut the cake and talk about healing and forgiveness. The Christian way doncha know.

[Laurab]

2. Nah....

It's a "nervous smile" oops - giggle.

Really, I smell a pardon AND maybe a promotion.

[autorank]

3. Army jails are serious! The guy is demented and hearing voices.

[Hard Attack]

4. On the same day Tom Ridge is reported to say Torture is needed

I mean, I'd be laughing too, laughing to the brink of an insanity breakdown.

This is Bush Leadership, do what we tell you to do an then we'll F*ck Ya.

Tom Ridge: US 'should not rule out torture'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4175713.stm

[proud patriot]

5. that dude is just plain creepy

IMO

[MrMonk]

6. I don't see a smile; I see a grimace.

Maybe holding back tears?

I doubt that he'll be pardoned: he's just an enlisted man, and his family has no pull.

[lateo]

7. I doubt that is a smile...

Military prison is hardcore shit...and 10 years of it? Should have been longer but...

[BlueEyedSon]

8. 10 years of naked pyramids & other fun and games!

[marcologico]

9. He knows we'll be calling him Senator Graner in two years n/t

[bo44]

10. Praise Jaysus and pass the hot poker

To the moon alice... to the moon

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. I abhor what he did, but there is something that just makes me feel sorry

for this schmuck.

Maybe because Rummy isn't gonna be his roomie?

[justgamma]

13. I felt sorry for him too,

until I saw the video of him laughing and having a good time after the sentence. Turned my stomach.

[calimary]

17. I don't feel sorry for him! Not a bit!

Nor do I feel sorry for ANY of the assholes, or assholettes, in collusion with him! NOR for any of those above him who gave him the orders - orders he apparently had NO trouble going along with. Let him laugh. Let him rot. Horrible creature. Too bad he's able to procreate.

[Downtown Hound]

19. Here's a little something you might want to read

before feeling sorry for this dude. He might be a scapegoat for the real perpetrators of these crimes, but he is also a sick bastard who is as guilty as sin. He got off easy in my book.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000753452

[Contrary1]

12. I don't doubt Graner's version one bit.

When do his superiors go on trial?

"...Graner described himself as a by-the-book prison guard corrupted by superiors who ordered him to physically mistreat and sexually humiliate detainees.

He said he initially resisted pressure to mistreat prisoners, but his Army superiors made it clear to him that he was expected to obey the commands of the military and civilian intelligence agents who ran his part of Abu Ghraib.

Graner said a lieutenant in his unit told him: "If (military intelligence) asks you to do this, it needs to be done. They're in charge, follow their orders."

[NAO]

14. Possibly he has been subjected to trauma-based mind control

Survivors of trauma-based mind control relate that they are often forced to abuse others as part of their programming.

The MK-ULTRA mind-control programs were developed and worked by the CIA for various 'intelligence' activities.

Kinds of Torture Endured in Ritual Abuse and Trauma-Based Mind Control
http://truthbeknown2000.tripod.com/Truthbeknown2000/id22.html

An Mk-Ultra Survivor Speaks Out: Concerns About Wartime Mind Control Tactics
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0303/S00294.htm

Think all that 'mind-control stuff' is just tin-foil hat gibberish? It's actually very real and extensively documented in the public record.

Mind Control Research
http://www.gzmn.org/v0000005.htm

excerpt:

During the period 1975 through 1977 a series of events led to disclosure that U.S. government agencies were funding various mind control experiments which included the testing of LSD, brainwashing, narco-hypnosis, electronic stimulation of the brain, and other technologies designed to control human behavior.

These programs had been conducted since at least World War II, and included the Central Intelligence Agency, Office of Naval Investigation, Air Force Intelligence, the Army Chemical Corps, Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Institute of Health, the National Institute of Justice, and the Atomic Energy Commission. The most notorious of these programs was conducted under the CIA codename MKULTRA.

Congressional hearings into these projects in 1975 and 1976 resulted in legislation intended to provide more stringent oversight of the CIA. However, in the aftermath of many very shocking revelations, no criminal indictments were issued despite sometimes lethal experiments on subjects who included prisoners and psychiatric patients. Meanwhile, rumors of similar experiments on prisoners of war from the Vietnam and Korean eras (alleging abuse by Soviet, U.S. and other intelligence agencies) persisted.

[LibertyorDeath]

15. Anything's possible.... On the other hand maybe he is just

a Sadistic Fucker. A shit stain on all the good men and women in the military. A slack jawed knuckle dragging loves to Torture people
emotionally retarded mother fucker. Think I'll go with this one.

[fooj]

16. One scary bastard!

Absolutely Bizarre!

[Disturbed]

18. A Sociopath just like Shrub.

Graner is 36, not a kid. He is mentally unhinged but not clinicly insane. He is a Sadistic Sociopath. Now it's time to move up to the other Sociopaths, right up to CIC.

[fooj]

20. sounds good to me!

:spank:

[itzamirakul]

21. Graner will be out before

Martha Stewart.

BTW: Where's Ken Lay???

[GreenArrow]

22. "The Christian in me says it's wrong..."

"The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says, 'I love to make a grown man piss himself'."

-- Charles Graner

[leesa]

24. Well, he DID enjoy the naked pyramids, maybe he's looking forward

to some of that.

[Skittles]

25. sick f***

a disgrace to soldiers, veterans, Americans, HUMAN BEINGS

[LisaL]

26. He could be hysterical.

After all, he has been a prison guard, he knows what awaits him in prison.:nopity:

[hector459]

28. A sign of insanity and evil. But he knows he will be out an 3 months.

House arrest or some sort of probation. but I think he is much safer in prison.

[w4rma]

29. His superiors should be going to jail, not him.

At least this is a message to other folks who might be in his position that the BFEE will hang them out to dry if they are caught doing what Bush tells them to do, also.

Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez and Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez should be on their way to prison, instead.

[robbedvoter]

30. His superiors AND him.

Graner replied: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says, 'I love to make a grown man piss himself.' "