Friends.. if this is true and can be documented... we can hang ...

[Rosco T.]

... them from tree of lies of the worst kind.

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1314.htm

The Voice of the White House

January 12, 2005: “Several interesting items, one only amusing and the other serious. The Bush people have received so many very serious death threats aimed at Our Beloved Leader that they might as well put a dummy in the Presidential limo on inauguration day. No one will talk about the volume and apparent seriousness of these ongoing threats and neither will they talk about the ACTUAL DEATH TOLLS IN IRAQ! You have been posting only the official figures which are not accurate. These OFFICIAL figures indicate about 1,400 are dead and perhaps 4,000 wounded. Actually, and I have seen the figures from the Pentagon, over 8,000 are dead and over 15,000 are wounded, some maimed for life…blind, missing legs and arms or with the prospect of spending the rest of their young lives confined to a wheelchair in a Vets hospital with a permanent piss bag tied to a leg. This is the greatest secret and holds the greatest fear for the Bush people. If the public ever finds out the truth, they will lynch him and his fascist co-workers in about ten minutes. Already, parents are wondering why their son’s name is not on official lists and this number is growing every day. This is the real reason why Bush forbade any pictures being taken of arriving caskets at Dover. All even an idiot would have to do would be to count the daily supermarket checkout and the rat would be out of the bag. This nasty business has real legs and even the dullard Bush is terrified. Rigid censorship has been clamped down by the Pentagon on any information and especially the following truly horrible news: The Arabs have captured a number of GIs and have tortured them terribly before chopping of their heads which they defile by dumping into a well-used latrine. Their statements are that since the US under Bush has ignored the Geneva Treaty and tortured prisoners of war and executed a number of them plus God knows how many unarmed civilians, they will kill every GI they capture. Beheaded and terribly mutilated bodies are quickly grabbed by special teams of GI undertakers, hidden away and sent home in sealed caskets or cremated in a large oven in downtown Baghdad. (Shade of Auschwitz!) This is one of the reasons why there are so many suicides and so many desertions among the terrified troops. This really awful business is a top priority secret but I will make the shits happy by letting it out and if I can get the actual figures, I will give them to you, names and all, to post alongside the official lies. Why don’t you ask survivors to send you the names of their lost sons and husbands and then check them against the Pentagon Lie List? Better, publish the entire roster of Official Dead and ask anyone whose relatives, sons or husbands are not on it to contact you. You are in the position of doing all of us a great favor if you do.”

--

that last line of the paragraph is the hook. Find the names, all the names and start counting...

Impeachment? Party of one...

[izzie]

1. Who does this blog?

I am not sure I believe it at all but it is scary what we do not know and keeps jumping up at us.

[mhr]

6. Supposedly The Source Is Inside The White House

A modern Deep Throat.

[ally_sc]

51. that was exactly what i was thinking n/t

[Tinoire]

9. Walter Storch

Walter Storch, TBR News... He helped break the story of the media manipulations about this war when a Fox news employee supplied him with information about how they were suppressing and twisting the news. He also helped break the story about Bush's really bizarre behaviour that was alarming people around him.

Storch is usually ahead of his time with the news. You can get a feel of that here: http://www.tbrnews.org/Archive.htm

Mike Hersch wrote him up in an article:

According to TBRnews, "This individual claimed he was developing serious doubts about the strict control of media events and decided that he would pass this material along to someone who might make use of it. There was the question of his job security. If someone published his name, it would be certain he was not only fired but blackballed throughout his profession."

Examples of pro-right wing edicts predicted by this anonymous source which found their way onto the television "news" include:

(Jan 21, 2002) . . . in any article on Enron collapse, it is not considered advisable to discuss role of K. Lay. Charges against lesser Enron executives to be stressed. Lay's extensive gifts to President to be limited to "small campaign contributions" and shift emphasis to large gifts to Ashcroft for his presidential campaign. Mention A's recusal from Enron investigations. . . .

(Feb 10) . . . It is not permitted at this point to use or refer to any film clips, stills or articles emanating from any French source whatsoever.

(Feb 26) It is expected that coverage of the forthcoming Iraqi campaign will be identical with the coverage used during Desert Storm. Shots of GIs must show a mixed racial combination . . . any interviews must reflect the youthful and idealistic, not the cynical point of view . . .

(March 2) further references to the religious views of the President are to be deleted. . . .

(March 15) photo opportunities of the President and members of his cabinet, especially Secretary Rumsfeld, with enthusiastic GIs . . .

(March 10) . . . pro-Government rallies are to be given the fullest coverage . . . if anti-Government demonstrations are shown, it is desired to stress either a very small number of "eccentrics" or shots of social misfits; i.e., with beards, tattoos, physical deformities, etc. Pro-Government supporters should be seen as clean cut with as many well-groomed subjects as possible . . .

(March 30) Friction between Secretary Rumsfeld and senior military field commanders in Iraq are to be strictly minimalized and used only when impossible to avoid . . .

(April 4) . . . sharply rising unemployment numbers, this should be countered with official interviews stressing that the unemployment situation is now stabilizing and expected to fall soon.

(April 5) . . . comments appearing in the left-wing British Guardian about the occupation and administration of a conquered Iraq by American military personnel are to be ignored. Pacification, liberation, freedom and gratitude towards US forces, and the President are to be stressed.

(March 29) The President's goal, to achieve oil autarchy by the United States, is suggested as a future series. Congressional denial of drilling in various environmentally "sensitive" areas may be derided as foolish misunderstanding of America's vital oil needs. The interdiction of oil shipments to the United States from Venezuela and Nigeria are not to be commented upon. The attitude of Chavez towards the United States is also considered a non-topic. He was removed from power once and it can happen a second time. File footage of large crowds of distressed and unhappy Venezuelans should be prepared against the time he is removed from power again. . . .

(April 4) If possible, pictures of the President with a book or, better, actually reading, are suggested. Commentary about his extensive reading habits . . . stress important historical and economic works. . . .

(April 7) Please arrange for photo ops of President visiting wounded GIs. . . . Use photogenic subjects w/good racial mix. Also try for pix of First Lady handing wounded subject a gift . . .

(April 7) . . . no shots of GIs looting in Baghdad. Iraqi looters should be described as "joyful" at being liberated by US. Looting to be described as a "deprived people getting food for families" . . .

(April 4) Alliance casualties to be played down. The massive Iraqi civilian casualties also played down. Use the phrase, "most civilian casualties caused by vindictive Saddam supporters." Again, no pixs of dead women and children.

(April 6) Artillery targeting of several mosques to be deleted. . . .

(April 8) . . . develop possible linkage between Iraqi mobs and US need to police the country for a "brief time" to prevent any attempt to stifle emerging democracy. Do not mention probability of continued large US military presence. Stress the words "restoring law and order" and "helping to make the transition to true democracy."

(April 9) . . . in coverage of rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure, mention that American firms have expressed willingness to "assist Iraq people to build a new, democratic nation." No mention, by name, of Halliburton or Bechtel.

There are dozens of similar examples of strict control, verified by TBRnews. As Storch explained: "It was both shocking and gratifying to note that this proved to be the case in a preponderance of cases and so we began to put these up, either in toto or, more often, in excerpt and watch as ordained news was created before our eyes."

(snip)
http://www.essentialliberties.com/archives/000481.php






===
What is TBRnews?

TBRnews is a compendium of political articles, many gathered from prestigious foreign sources as well as from American news web postings.

The name, TBRnews, originally came from the Barnes Review magazine and the site began as a listing of historical books.

Under different management, it eventually progressed to a twice-weekly posting covering national and international news.

We have been accused of being neo-Nazis, Communists, anti-Semites, Christian haters, certainly not Bush friendly and guilty of treason, aggravated mopery, theft of mattress tags from cheap motels, chronic jaywalking and disturbers of the political peace.

I run this site all by myself with a little help from various friends, both inside and outside of the Beltway.

The articles not otherwise credited are usually written by myself although I do not take credit for them. The articles speak for themselves and I do not believe in beating my own drum as so many other journalists seem to enjoy doing. The message is always important; not so the messenger.

I try to answer reasonable mail and encourage the reading public to submit articles of interest. I am known to publish pieces that I do not personally agree with but which I feel are well-written and worth reading.

Contrary to the hysterical views of rabid trailer park Bush supporters, I was not suckled by a werewolf and I am not a member of the far left. In point of fact, I am a very disillusioned moderate Republican whose family were bankers, brokers and CEOs of various nice companies.

There does not seem to be much moderation left after the Bush people finished polarizing the electorate.

http://www.tbrnews.org/aboutus.htm


===

About Bush (in answer to a letter from a reader)

The newest postings will cover, on an aggressive and ongoing manner, the burgeoning guerrilla warfare in Iraq and the morass into which the Bush Administration has mired itself.

Given the President's mental attitudes and the religious and political mindsets of his top advisors, they have entered into precisely the same destructive end game that the US experienced in Viet Nam and the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The terrorists, or freedom fighters, (depending upon ones' point of view) will eventually win.

With the Presidential elections over a year away, Bush has two choices of action and two choices only. He can either increase counteractions against the guerrilla warfare or he can withdraw his troops and de facto admit defeat. His personality is such that the latter is not possible for him.

(snip)

(lost the link but in the letters section of his web-site)
==
He was briefly discussed in this thread a while back.

[shraby]

11. I don't know what to think either.

There have been a couple of soldiers captured and escaped, and there was the contractor who escaped.
Where is that site that keeps track of the number killed?

[buddysmellgood]

2. 8,000? How would a person know if there child, relative , spouse had been

added to the official list? Wouldn't the Iraqis post video of the head lopping? This is just too horrible to be true...but then again, lots of things are too horrible to be true these days.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. You saw Mel Gibson in the patriot.... the reason for the type of rage

in that movie is the same reason for the type of rage you have witnessed in Iraq.

Hopefully, this will be the last nail in juniors lockbox.

[leesa]

32. "Wouldn't the Iraqis post video of the head lopping?"

What are you talking about?? You think these are 6000+ beheadings?? These would be soldiers being killed in battle and the US military lying about it.

You know, if Iraqis behead people now and again, I have zero problem with it after what we have done to them. Remember, we are the bad guys here.

[NVMojo]

35. someone in the military told me that families of the dead are told

not to request viewing of the remains as they are already prepared. Wonder how to find out what is going on? Do the families get to id their loved ones remains that are coming back in those coffins like the ones we saw lined up?

[buddysmellgood]

38. No, I'm not saying they are all beheadings. Think about it. This would

mean that there are 8 additional funerals for every military funeral you've seen. How do you explain that? All of these families are just grieving quietly? It's true they don't show the pictures of the coffins coming off the plane, but the papers in Wisconsin have been covering the funerals.
I can't believe you really mean what you said. That you have zero problem with one of ours having there heads cut off now and again. I'll bet you have a problem with anybody's head getting cut off.

[mhr]

3. No Surprise - I Hope Someone Does Start To Connect The Dots

All this would take is a simple website to tally the names of the fallen.

To lend credibility, find a few family members willing to serve as supporters and pretty soon Bushco will have nowhere to hide.

[RafterMan]

4. Fiction

[UL_Approved]

12. What part of this is fiction? n/t

[grasswire]

5. I can think of a way to make that work

Start a web site where family members can submit a photo of their soldier killed in Iraq. Make it a real memorial. Publicize it. Number the submissions.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. Moveon, Gore TV, DU, MM, activists in Hollywood... if true, this could

bring down these sorry excuses for public officials in a nanosecond. We MUST find out the real deal here.

[Tinoire]

7. I have little doubts about those numbers.

We only consider the "official" count given by the tightly controlled media but everyday there are reports from Arabic web-sites about soldiers beheaded, captured, killed. Too many are too easily willing to dismiss it as propaganda even though we should know better.

Yes. By all means. Impeachment part 1. She has quite an idea there. It is time for the truth to come out.

On edit- forget about this part since it applies to that fantastic article and not the blog comment.

Joan Lowy is a writer for the Scripps Howard News Service
She's quite a published Progressive from what I gleaned from the titles of her stuff in Google.

About Scripps Howard News Service
Scripps Howard News Service is the nation's second largest supplementary news service. An experienced Washington staff monitors all phases of government and strategically placed photographers cover national and international news reports. The wire service also offers excellent topical, as well as stock, illustrations for editorial use.
http://www.newscom.com/nc/ips/ipscripps.html
===
The E.W. Scripps Company is a diversified media concern with interests in newspapers, broadcast television stations, cable television networks and interactive media. Founded in 1878, E.W. Scripps launched the Penny Press in Cleveland to pioneer an information revolution that shaped the development of mass media in America. Today, 21 daily Scripps newspapers are read by nearly 1.4 million Americans, making the company the ninth largest newspaper publisher in the country.

The company emerged as a broadcast pioneer in the 1930s, launching some of the earliest radio and televisions stations. Today, the company operates ten television stations, all of which are in the nation's 60 largest metropolitan areas. Scripps television stations serve nearly 10 million American households as local affiliates of the NBC and ABC television networks.

(snip)
Headquartered in Cincinnati and recognized globally by its familiar lighthouse logo, The E.W. Scripps Company is guided by the motto, "Give light and the people will find their own way."

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=SSP&script=2100

[AzDar]

8. I remember a few days back, reading a blurb somewhere (msm) about 8

or so headless bodies of foreigners found in Baghdad being under investigation...never mentioned again. I certainly believe the Wee Usurper and his cronies are capable of ANYTHING.

[Tinoire]

10. Strange. That's the first story that jumped to my mind

but there have been hundreds like that over the last 2 years.

When we hear the Republican leadership beginning to talk about pulling out now, you know there's something horribly wrong.

What God-awful times these are.

On edit: And we got this today:

Bush: " no one can be held accountable for Iraq war. That time is over"

Bush says election ratified Iraq policy
'Accountability moment' has passed, president saysBy Jim VandeHei and Michael A. Fletcher

Updated: 11:33 p.m. ET Jan. 15, 2005President Bush said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath.

"We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. "The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me."

(snip)

Bush acknowledged that "some of the decisions I've made up to now have affected our standing in parts of the world," but predicted that most Muslims will eventually see America as a beacon of freedom and democracy.

(snip)

On the election Bush said he was puzzled that he received only about 11 percent of the black vote, according to exit polls, about a 2 percentage point increase over his 2000 total.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6831621


AMAZING. TOTALLY AMAZING!

[magnolia]

37. Bush is wrong...

...there is accountability. But now, after the election, the accountability is spread out beyond Bush. As I've said to every person I know, friend, family, whoever voted for Bush and then bragged about winning: "Every person who pulled that lever for Bush has blood on their hands!"

[theresistance]

13. I mentioned on another thread...

that the Russian Ministry of Defense claimed a while back that about 8000 Americans have been killed in Iraq. This information may be corroborative but is still very questionable without further proof...

[Q]

14. This isn't even surprising and I don't doubt that it's true...

...the very same thing happened during the Vietnam war. Enemy deaths were exaggerated and the true figures of American soldiers killed in action or related activities were kept secret until after the war.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. Exactly!! And if they are willing to do this to CHURCHES, well then

I don't think they have any qualms about returning some of the treatment they witnessed at Abu Ghraib. Graner will never know the extent of the damage he and others did to his fellow troops. He and shrub should get adjoining cells.

http://www.theallineed.com/news/0410/178671.htm
Iraq's tiny Christian community was in shock Sunday after apparently coordinated predawn blasts at five Baghdad churches the previous day. Worshippers planned to gather for mass at the blackened Saint George Church in the city's Karrada district.


NOTE: Christian churches were pretty much safe and secure prior to shrub's adventure in the ME.

[itzamirakul]

18. KICK!

[Ice4Clark]

19. Here's an article from CBS regarding the wounded and how

the injuries are tallied. I've no doubt about the wounded figures being way underestimated, but how can they hide 6,600 killed above what is being reported? Where are the parents or kin of those killed and not counted? If this is true, how can it be exposed?

LINK

[Tony_Illinois]

20. I don't consider myself naive, but I cannot believe that this can

possibly be true. This would mean that there are 6,600 dead soldiers unaccounted for in "official" numbers. Is it possible that of the families, friends, etc. of 6,600 dead soldiers not one person has discovered that their loved one is not "officially" dead?

I am just appalled by this piece and want it to be untrue. Not that I would put ANYTHING past these miserable excuses for public officials running the country now, but how could that many dead soldiers remain hidden?

[ladjf]

22. I agree with Tony. Don't think it would be possible to hide

that many deaths.

[snippy]

24. I agree. n/t

[DELUSIONAL]

33. This happened during the Vietnam war

American deaths were minimized -- and it took the work of one distraught mother to expose the Military lies.

In fact a movie was made of her efforts -- Carol Bernette (sp?) you know the comedian -- except this was a dramatic role for her and she was very good in the role of a mother obsessed to discover how and why her son died. I certainly didn't know about the alternative method of counting the dead in the Vietnam war and I KNOW the military lies about absolutely everything. This movie went a long way to show how the military lies and covers up -- bad news or information which makes the officers look like a bunch of stupid jerks. Amazing that this movie was even made -- I expect that Carol Bernette had a lot to do with fact that the movie got any air time at all.

Her son was killed in Vietnam by friendly fire -- and his death was not counted -- but he was still dead and he died in Vietnam. His family insisted on looked at his body and what they found did not agree with the "official" government records.

This soldier's mother fought for recognition of her son's death and other deaths (even if the deaths were due to friendly fire).

So the military has a history of this -- the military LIES. The same culture of lies still exists in the military today.

Expect that most of the military information coming out of Iraq to be a bunch of lies.

[NVMojo]

36. Gee, she would have been a perfect target for the lying Swiftboat Vets

oh, but she wasn't running against their * ....

[Eloriel]

45. Don't they play games about who they count to start with?

Aren't the official war deaths restricted to those tho ONLY died in battle? Those who die as soon as they're off the battlefield aren't counted? Those who die much later aren't counted? Those who die driving down the street and hitting a landmine (or IED) aren't counted?

I dunno, but that's what I've seen reported here and there and I'm asking.

The best argument to me is this: they lie about EVERYthing, why wouldn't they lie about that as well?

[bluedonkey]

21. I believe anything .

They lie,kill and steal peoples dignity,so why not hide 6000+ dead soldiers!
I remember an Arab site a few months ago with pics of dead young men in black body bags.They site said they were american soldiers,but then they common agreement was they were mercenaries.Still bad enough to just dump their bodies,but it probably felt better not to have to believe they would dump our own.

Anybody have any info on MIA's.I was googleing and couldn't find any info.
BTW:They don't call them MIA's anymore,now they're known as "whereabouts unknown" or such thing.

[Vinca]

23. If the wounded die at a later date are they added to the death count?

I don't think so. The "count" seems to include only deaths on the battlefield and not injured soldiers who succumb to their injuries in the hospital. I'm betting the number of soldiers lost is in the tens of thousands.

[KittyWampus]

30. This Is My Understanding As Well. Get Em Off The Battlefield Breathing

and they aren't listed as 'War Dead' if they die in transit to hospital, on the operating table, in post op etc.

[buddysmellgood]

39. That makes some sense. But still, when Nightline read the names of

soldiers killed in Iraq, wouldn't the families of soldiers who died of injuries in Iraq be outraged that their kin did not receive recognition? What kind of person allows that to happen to a member of their own family?

[Malva Zebrina]

25. How is anyone going to find out?

If this is true. The "no pictures" order coming from Bush, forbidding pictures of the flag draped coffins arriving in the middle of the night at Dover, now would seem to have an additional motive,other than crowd control of Americans who may get emotional over it.

A photograper covering that beat, would have had a chance to count them all--and if he or she is not counting the counting can be done via the photographs taken at each arrival at Dover.

Someone would begin to question the offical count.

[mattclearing]

26. Here's the list per CNN. Find more dead, and there's your answer.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

[robbedvoter]

27. Count the dead, count the voters, accountability....

It's very credible and no one will hang for it. At least not in any near future.

[hector459]

28. Don't know if this is true but a call for copies of all Death Certificates

from the familes of dead soldiers would be a better indication. It would miss those who were not found and reported but at least it would offer some solid evidence of the dead. My neighbor's two sons, one in Kuwait and one in Baghdad have reported home much the same message as this poster. There are many more US dead than is being reported.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US soldiers will be prevented from posting and sending e-mail very soon.

How can these people live with themselves?

[bluedonkey]

29. Very easy

They have no conscience to keep them awake at night!

That CNN site does not show any numbers for MIA's either! Aren't there any?

[rockymountaindem]

31. Clearly the war is not going as smoothly as Bush says

but I doubt it's this bad either. If there were a high number of desertions, for example, I think that it would have been reported by a foreign source at least, such as The Guardian.

[toddaa]

34. The Voice from the White House

If you've followed this column over the course of its lifetime, you will notice that these KIA numbers seem to double every so often. It's all too similar to the tabloid posts over at Capital Blue. I remain skeptical of its accuracy.

[marcologico]

40. No question they're lying about the numbers, BUT...

as long as BushCo owns the media, the number could be 100,000 and it still wouldn't get any airtime.

[pinto]

41. Put me in the skeptical "take with a grain of salt" column...n/t

[Name removed]

42. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Orangepeel]

43. this isn't true

there are too many families and too many local papers who want a local story about a local dead hero.

I think I read in another source that there are estimates of 8000 Iraqi soldiers dead (not the ones classified as "insurgents" -- the ones who are supposed to be on "our" side).

[theresistance]

44. For info...

Probably the best count of US war dead is the Iraq Coalition Casualty Count at http://icasualties.org/oif/

They detail their methodology at http://icasualties.org/oif/Methodology.aspx

They don't say whether they include those that die after being evacuated from the battlefield, but I sent them an email asking.

Will post if I get an answer...

[Carolab]

46. No wonder we don't have totals for the "military vote". n/t

[fooj]

47. That's an excellent point! What's the hold up?

This whole situation is terrifying! If any of this is true...OMG! Pure Evil!

[theresistance]

48. Further to my post #44

This is the response I got from the folks at the Iraq Coalition Casualty Count when I asked about 8000 dead:

"do not believe it is possible for the pentagon to hide deaths.
8000 US deaths? That is absurd! What about the families of hidden dead, are
they paid for their silence or do we have platoons of orphaned?"

As you can see I was almost laughed out of town. They did say that 46 US soldiers had died of wounds after being evacuated from the battlefield.

[rodeodance]

49. this topic was discussed a few days ago on DU==the numbers seem

too far fetched for me.

[ComerPerro]

50. Even if this were true, I doubt the public would care

I mean, really. Maybe I am just really jaded about this bullshit, but I just don't think the public would give a shit.

[Bampa]

52. I remember a report on NPR 3rd month into the war...

and the topic was the numbers of wounded. The report showed that the official reported wounded was relatively small at that time (I think under 2,000), but NPR dug deeper up the line of command and finally had one officer state that over 9,000 US troups had been evacuated out of Iraq to Germany due to "serious" injury.

Now that was how long ago? If we are looking at a year and a half after that report, what is the true story?

Seems that the Viet Nam casualty counts were understated to keep the public unaware as well. This strategy alone should be grounds for impeachment!

[theresistance]

54. Further: isn't the total US evacuation total over 20 000 now?

No link for this, but the info has floated around somewhere.

Also in relation to the fist Gulf war, the official figure is 147 dead, but apparently the number of vets that have died is running in the thousands.

[ikojo]

53. As a non military person when I hear the word casualty I think

the person has died....here is how the military defines a casualty...according to this definition there could be thousands of under reported casualties.

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/netgloss.htm


Casualty. Any person who is lost to the organization by reasons of having been declared dead, missing, captured, interned, wounded, injured, or seriously ill.

Click here for casualty information

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/castop.htm