Looks Like the Christian Right Got Screwed!!

[Geek_Girl]

<SNIP>
Bush said he will not press senators to pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, the top priority for many social conservative groups.
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I kept telling my fundie friends that they were being duped and I was right!! All I can say is HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

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[youngred]

1. of course not

they'll wait until right before the mid-terms or the 2008 to bring it up again. It doesn't do them any good to waste their political capital on something better left untilthe elections when they can use it for fear mongering

[jonnyblitz]

33. EXACTLY

thumbsup.

[MaineDem]

2. Where is this quoted?

You're absolutely right! He had no intention of pushing this as anything other than a campaign issue.

What a POS!!!

[klyon]

15. or abortion

they need these as campaign issues

KL

[Eric J in MN]

20. Washington Post

Bush Says Election Ratified Iraq Policy
No U.S. Troop Withdrawal Date Is Set

By Jim VandeHei and Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, January 16, 2005; Page A01

[leesa]

3. Yup. I thinkg this is a very good thing. Take EVERY opportunity to point

out that they have been screwed over. Also, that they DESERVED it for practicing their bigotry.

[blondeatlast]

18. Sorry, but Bunnypants got these orders straight from General Rove.

If he drops it, it gets the vote out in '06.

Sorry, I don't like spoiling our little victories, but I believe that's waht is behind it.

[leesa]

26. I don't think I understand your point. Do you mean it would get the Fundie

vote in 2006? If so, how?

[Geek_Girl]

28. I think he means by Keeping it as a state issue

It keeps the fundies coming to the polls and voting against state initiative to allow gay marriage or civil unions.

To counter this we need a grass roots movement in those states and across the country to counter the right wing message and bring progressives and proponents of gay marriage to the polls meanwhile beating the GOP over the head for their lack of commitment to the Christian right.

Suppress the Christian Right vote and bring out the progressive voters.

[sunnystarr]

34. You're so right ....

by dropping it now it can be picked up again in '06 as a reason to defeat Dems by telling their flock that unless Dems are defeated they won't get the 2/3 vote needed for amendment.

[Kahuna]

46. Yep! What dem leader will call him out on this and point out..

that they were duped by the "righteous" dubya.

[Sparkly]

4. Send them this, too.

“I don’t think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that’s what a state chooses to do so.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6338458/

He practically co-opted Kerry's position in the end. There was never going to be a constitutional amendment.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. Will they wake up to the fact...

That the whole thing was nothing more than a 3 card Monte game?

Nah. The want to BEEELEEEEEVE!!!

So much for the phrase "spiritual discernment".

[calimary]

30. Guys, this needs to be a new MEME - repeat as often as possible.

They. Got. DUPED.

They've. Been. HAD.

They've. Been. PLAYED.

They. Were. USED.



GUYS: PLEASE hear this. The objective is to start chipping away. EVERYWHERE possible.

You chip away at the monolithic control that SEEMS to be inevitable in Congress.

You chip away at the seemingly monolithic support of the young people on Social Security (the same folks who are likely to be shipped off to Iraq. They'll get killed - hey! Social Security problem solved, 'eh? (AND YES. Sometimes it has to be worded as cruelly and ruthlessly as this. Hear me out. LBJ once said, VERY wisely, the point is to MAKE THEM DENY IT. FORCE THEM TO REACT. FORCE THEM TO RESPOND on the terms YOU JUST SET. FORCE THEM TO DEFEND. No, you say? Uh - then you want it the other way around? That's how it HAS BEEN, already. Been there, done that. Time to turn the tables and REVERSE THE DYNAMIC.)

You chip away at the seemingly monolithic, blind, unquestioning, and impervious support of the Xtian "right." (This should be the term - because the concept of "Christ" is NOWHERE to be found in what these people think, say, and do.) START THEM QUESTIONING. START THEM DOUBTING. START THEM HESITATING. You HAVE to start sowing the seeds of doubt. EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE.

And WHENEVER POSSIBLE, use the word "LIE" or variations of that word. That has to be hammered in, permanently. The concept "he LIED TO YOU" has to be injected into their bone marrow so it becomes part of their foundational form. ESSENTIAL.

They say they hate liars. It's one of the Ten Commandments, after all, so it's in the Bible - the Old Testament with which they're far more comfortable to begin with. It's a tool we can use.

They've. Been. HAD.

They've. Been. USED.

They've. Been. SOLD. A. BILL. OF. GOODS.

They've. Been. LIED TO.

[blondeatlast]

35. We need to push this meme forward aggressively.

He thinks he's got capital? Wait until the people who put the most faith, money, and energy into seeing him re-elected, so that he would "save" us from those awful gays and desperate women, see that he couldn't care less about the only things that mattered to them.

Slowly, the entire facade will crumble, and all the "up and comers" in his corner will go down in flames as well.

It can be done, but we must be very forceful about it.

I'm in.

[calimary]

41. As aggressively as possible.

Since we just got a new puppy, I'm even more acutely aware of how critical and essential it is to repeat something - either a positive reinforcement OR a negative reinforcement. It's just like with kids. Do you reward bad behavior? Or maybe ignore it, hoping it'll just magically go away? Or, instead, do you actively, and resolutely CHECK it so it's discouraged and thus allowed to wither on the vine? Do you simply hope for the best, crossing your fingers that the offending person will just simply "get it" and find redemption? Or do you stay vigilant so that the preferred direction of this correction is properly and consistently maintained, and the lesson is pounded in, permanently? The latter I think is the desirable objective and effect.

This needs to be repeated. Maybe not in this same exact language. Maybe find your own way to express it. Maybe find some similar "parable" (trying to put it in terms they'll understand) or metaphor or language with which they are comfortable. Repeat, reinforce, repeat, reinforce.

THEY'VE. BEEN. HAD.

They've. Been. Sold. A. Bill. Of. Goods.

They've. Been. Led. Down. A. Garden. Path.

They've. Been. Fooled.

They've. Been. Snookered.

They've. Been. Played. For. Fools.

And NEVER be afraid, or reluctant, to invoke the dreaded "L" word in all its derivations - LIE. LIES. LIAR. LIARS. LYING.

bush LIED to you.

He LIED to you.

He's BEEN LYING to you.

He's BEEN LYING to you all along.

He is a LIAR.

Don't be hesitant. Don't be like the Washington Wussies (Hey! I kinda like that). Don't act like our reps do - on their knees like some abused child or battered spouse. IN THEIR FACES WITH THIS. You can always be a little more silky with the delivery. BUT THE MESSAGE HAS TO BE BROUGHT DIRECTLY TO THEIR FACES.

REPEATEDLY.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

48. Remind religious folks

You've had a Republican President for four years, a Republican Congress for a decade, along with a Republican Supreme Court for the past twenty years (of the nine justices, only two have been appointed by a Democratic President).

So is abortion illegal? School prayer mandatory?

No. And they never will be.

Because there are two Republican Parties -- the Grassroots that includes religious voters and the Corporations that actually sets policy. The Corporate Wing of the Republican Party can't win without the Grassroots, but the Corporate policies (out-sourcing, privatizing Social Security) will do nothing but impoverish those Red State Values Voters.

So they get you all hopped up on social issues so that you'll vote against your own best interests. That congressman you voted for? The one who promised to protect traditional marriage? Well he's also voting to send your tool-and-die manufacturing job to Singapore next year. As long as you care more about a teenager getting an abortion that you do about your own retirement, they get to stay in power and you get to eat dog food during your Golden Years.

Do you think they'll enact your agenda? What happens when you're no longer seething about "Will and Grace" or livid about "Heather Has Two Mommies?" The Corporate Wing knows that you might be inclined to cast your gaze at your paystub and wonder why your wages haven't gone up in the past twenty years, or why you're no longer covered under an employer healthcare plan, or why you can't send you kids to college.

You've been snookered. You've been conned by the greatest conmen in history -- they took your religious beliefs, twisted them beyond recognition, and then used your faith to rob you blind.

Don't allow them to profit from this.

[DoYouEverWonder]

49. George Bush

is the deceiver and they have been deceived.




44 You(W) belong to your father, the devil, and you(W) want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


John 8:44

[coloradodem2005]

6. There you go.

Will they realize how stupid they have been.

[booley]

7. Only the ones that make the donations

The televanglists and the right wing screed writers and the Sheetless Klan's men got what they wanted....

Plenty of scared Kristians willng to give a whole lot of money to stop the evil GAY AGENDA..and an adminsitration that wil always make these kooks out to be more important then they really are.

Still trying to figure out when Moral Values became a synonym for treating God like a two doller whore.

[wildwww2]

8. My own congress critter is a homosexual. Mark Foley. Guess he does

not mind that he and his kind are being used as political wedges. I sure wish we had not been redistricted. I had Alcee Hastings who wrote me several replies to my concerns. I have received 1 auto response from the Bu$hovic Foley and that is it. Although I have contacted his office as many times as I did Alcee`s. But he knows I am not Pro-Bu$h. Pure hypocritical slime. Our country is doomed.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[spanone]

9. But he got re-elected. That's ALL THAT COUNTS.

The King gives a shit about No One.

[moggie12]

10. Yep, wake up evangelical Christians!

Talk about blatant! At least Bush could've waited a few months before admitting he manipulated the Christian right to get re-elected. Hopefully, Dobson and others will pound him on this and the values crowd will wake up (not likely, but I keep hoping...)

[Greylyn58]

11. Bush will never

press for this because if he does he loses his wedge issue that he can trot out at election time. Same goes for abortion rights. If the rethugs pass laws against both they have lost two major rallying points for them and they won't let that happen.

[President Kerry]

12. exactly right!

[blondeatlast]

19. Yeps. Exactly. nt

[NVMojo]

13. Strike one up for another Rove marketing ploy...

[Dr Fate]

14. They dont mind. They blame Democrat/media opposition....

...for the slowness.

Talk to a fundie at work or school- they will tell you "Yeah, I know- most of what he does for us is in the courts."

If you are counting on the Fundies to abandon the Republicans, forget it.

[GOPBasher]

16. I would give anything to see..

the fundy theocrats stay home in 2006 and 2008.

[Tigress DEM]

21. Ahhh, found you.

Hope you don't mind. Loved the "Live Free or Diebold" and I've dumped it in some subject lines. Some people still feel so discouraged that so many people "voted" for GW and I tell them some of these people they are yelling at only exist in some "flip switch" on a computer.

Southern chicken rubbers have no love of Bush, especially since he's blocked the efforts to compensate workers for work related stress injuries. (Molly Ivins - Bushwacked)

[GOPBasher]

44. Thanks. I can't take credit for it. I saw a sign that says that

in a picture of a rally. I'm glad you're using it! I love the saying, too. It's quite a pun and makes a very good point. :-)

[blondeatlast]

17. No, he's gonna let the states handle it, to get out the RadRight, Theocon

vote in '06.

I hate to spoil the party, but I see it happening already in my state.

Watch, just watch.

[Geek_Girl]

23. I know the Christian Right

Will Follow like Sheep and allow themselves to manipulated again and again. Reagan, Bush(Poppy) and Bush(Jr) have all been very successful at keeping the moronic Christian right loyal.

I have no delusions that those people will ever get clue.

[Leilani]

37. Poppy Bush did not cultivate the Fundies

They stayed home in his loss to Clinton.

The current George learned his lessons well.

[Geek_Girl]

38. Yes In '92 Your right

But against Dukakis I think he played his ignorant base very well with the Willie Horton Adds.

[Vinca]

22. Geez, what a shocker. Bush lied . . . again.

[CWebster]

24. Like abortion, they need it as a wedge issue.

The sad part is the Democratic tendency to render the issues toothless by evolving closer to the Right.

[Geek_Girl]

25. I don't understand why democrats

Can't just say, "Hey Christian Right Your being used and abused again."

Some one please go on one of these talking head lame shows and beat W. over the head with his own wedge issues.

[grasswire]

27. I went over to freerepublic last night...

...to see how they were taking this news. None of them were upset. They said "Bush is telling it like it is. There's not enough support in the Senate to get an amendment. He's still involved, just dealing in reality."

[Geek_Girl]

29. Freepers are to stupid to know

When they are being screwed over. I wonder what excuses they'll have when Roe V. Wade isn't turned over.

[sepia_steel]

31. Can't WAIT for that one.

I've had far too many smug-ass Pukes calmly tell me "Now * won, and we're gonna overturn Roe v. Wade, too."

Stupid fucks.

[blondeatlast]

32. I'd like to see a gentle, stealthy push from some brave, sneaky Lefties

to infiltrate one anti-choice organization to push this issue loudly forward.

That would expose the enormous lies the Bunnypants Admin told the fundies who put forth so much energy, money, and faith into getting him elected. It would be a start towards dismantling the entire RadCon noise machine.

Wish I had the guts, but I know my limits.

[blm]

36. Gues they don't know that W tapped gay Ken Mehlman as the head of the RNC

and the FACE of the GOP for the next 4 years.

And I'm sure David Dreier has NO intention of bringing antigay issues up in his committee. He will get outed NATIONALLY if he does.

Do the freepers really think Bush cares one iota about the issue? All he cares about is distracting the working class Republicans long enough to keep putting OUR government money into the bank accounts of his international financier cronies, guaranteeing fascist rule for years to come.

They are SO duped.

[blondeatlast]

39. Has he come out yet? The only people who don't seem to know

is Joe and Susie Christiansixpack, but I would love to see their faces when they find out!

[Jade Fox]

40. The Christian Right seem endlessly willing to be used by the Republicans..

They promise them all they want during an election, then don't follow thru.

The Republican Party has been doing this for 25 freaking years! How dumb
can these people be?

[peacetalksforall]

42. By passing it to the States, it makes their presense in the states

stronger. The fundies will do everything to ensure the fundies are in state offices. Triple win. They used Gay Marriage in 2004, they get fundies in positions in 2005-2008, they use Gay Marriange again in 2006 and 08.

Fight now.

[Stepup2]

43. Don't be so quick

to jump to the conclusion that the rabid preachers who acted as megaphones of hatred will call * to task on this.

They know as well as the rest of the meat puppets in power, that this issues SELLS!! and they will do WHATEVER it takes to keep it as free of taint as possible....

This issue fills their church coffers and makes a dandy ready-made wedge issue to whip the newly coined values voters into a froth. Draws em out like a bug light on a muggy August night


They will blame the fact that the marriage amendment has lost it's luster on clinton or someone/thing else, only to magically reappear in 06 and beyond.

I agree we need to saw he lied, they lied they will continue to lie the bigots will overlook it with rapture filled eyes

[jpgray]

45. Moral issues for the GOP are just a net to catch rubes, That's it.

They really don't give two shits about gays, abortion or whatever else. They just need enough rubes to vote so they can get through their unpopular, elitist economic agenda.

[tsuki]

47. I kept telling the Fundies I know that it is a states right 's

issue. And they kept telling me Bush would do the right thing. He was with them. He'd get the amendment passed.

Now, I bet you they tell me that he could not because it's a states right's issue.

Never will they believe their beloved leader would dupe them (or that they could be duped.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Maybe Shrub Wants To Dump Laura And Marry Karl Rove

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