Frost going the way of Roemer?

[RogueTrooper]

From the Dallas Morning News, via Kos.

So who loves President Bush the most?

It's hard to tell if you're watching the TV ads that the candidates are airing in the 32nd Congressional District race.

snip...

Both Democrat Martin Frost and Republican Pete Sessions have produced spots that attack the other for being out of touch with the mainstream, while attaching themselves to the president.

"In the real world, Sessions loves Bush far more," said Southern Methodist University political science professor Cal Jillson. "But in the artificial world, it's not clear."

Mr. Frost - running in a mostly Republican district - is trying to appeal to GOP voters in North Dallas.

Some of his campaign commercials show Mr. Sessions being in opposition to President Bush, while portraying himself as a tough, moderate Democrat.

He uses popular Republicans like Sens. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas and John McCain of Arizona to make his point. And one ad even casts fellow Democrat Ted Kennedy in the same liberal boogeyman role as some Republicans do.

...snip

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/local/stories/102704dnmet32ndads.b54a5.html

I have a feeling somebody is going to be busy sending the DNC's voting members copies of those campaign spots.

[Walt Starr]

1. Looks like Rosenberg will be the only acceptable ABD candidate left!

Reminds me of the primaries. It's like Deja Vu all over again!

[janx]

3. This is hilarious because if Dean gets the position,

it's likely Rosenberg is the first guy he'll take with him. Rosenberg doesn't make a very good ABD candidate since the two are allied.

[KittyWampus]

35. Dean Supporters Should Let Go Of The "Everyone's Out To Get Dean"

refrain. Just let it go and you'll be a much better spokesperson for him.

[madfloridian]

40. Can't do that.

Won't do that.

[Fenris]

2. Martin Frost is a wretched punk

His name always seems to come up when leadership roles need to be filled, though. I don't understand why. Conservatives aren't going to elect someone who half-heartedly supports their causes when a fully committed candidate is also running. Why bother with a Republican Lite when you can get the real thing for the same price?

[dolstein]

4. You try getting elected in a Republican leaning district

Excuse me, but who the **** are YOU to call Martin Frost a punk? You try getting elected to Congress from his district.

I'll let you in on something -- most of the country DOESN'T look and think like Manhattan or Berkeley. Perhaps when you grasp the concept of REPRESENTATIVE democracy, you'll understand that members of Congress need to be in touch with their districts.

[RogueTrooper]

5. Running to get elected in a conservative district is one thing

and running close to the President may be necessary but it immediatly disqualifies you from being head of the DNC. Running against your own candidate is a disgrace; and unforgivable one at that.

[Fenris]

6. Who are you to question my judgment on this matter?

Why are you apologising for that fool's fruitless attempt to save his job?

[RogueTrooper]

7. Indeed

had he shown a little more spine, and stood with his own party's candidate he might have had more chance of winning against Republican corruption.

[moggie12]

16. Because you called Frost "a wretched punk", that 's why

He wasn't questioning your judgment, he was pointing out that you have no business calling Frost a "punk". That was really rude and, in my opinion, stupid. So the guy has to run in Texas and chooses to show voters he's not a 100% "coastal" liberal. So what? I'm a Democrat but I like John McCain -- should I be thrown out of the Party? Lots of Independent voters like McCain and I don't see anything wrong with Frost running commercials with McCain in them.

Also, there was a post yesterday on DU where someone pointed out that Frost ran the DCCC and helped get lots of new Dem House members elected. Now he's a punk??? If that's what a punk is, then let's get some more in the Dem Party. Maybe you didn't see this post. Me personally, I try to do some research before I start calling people names. I've been wrong about things I've said in my posts here on DU -- when people give me correct information, I acknowledge that they're right and I was wrong. In this case, I think you were wrong in calling Frost a punk.

[RogueTrooper]

20. Well I am not sure if he is a wretched punk

but he is a disgrace.

[KittyWampus]

36. Good God, When Did YOU Descend From Mount Olympus.

The discourse on DU seems to have fallen into a permanent cesspool of Democrat bashing.

[ulysses]

8. oh, waah. touchy much?

Oh, I forgot, party centrists *never* call progressives names or co-opt Republican strategies like smearing Ted Kennedy, do they?

[RogueTrooper]

9. Never!!!!

How dare you post such mendacities uly ;)

[ulysses]

10. I'm such a bad, liberal freak.

Arrogant, too, because I know what a mendacity is. :D

So, when are we going to get you over on this side of the Atlantic?

[manhattanite]

28. Martin Frost is a TREACHEROUS punk.

**** him and **** Texas.

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[marcologico]

11. KOS is paid advertising as far as I'm concerned. Next? n/t

[RogueTrooper]

18. And why is Kos paid advertising

I think you may need to wait for your next.

[TSIAS]

22. The story wasn't written by Kos

It's courtesy of a Dallas newspaper. Kos only posted the link and wrote some brief comments.

[digno dave]

12. Frost was doing what he had to, but i still never liked the guy

Always came across as shady and untrustworthy.

[Cheswick2.0]

13. Oops

no thank you.

It's fine for democrats to run that way in a red state if they really think that is their only choice. However we don't need them running the party altogether.

[marcologico]

14. We need to win some red states. Even Kennedy said it. n/t

[ulysses]

15. ok, fine. out GOP the GOP in red states, if you can.

It worked so well for Max Cleland on Iraq.

We don't need centrists running the damned party.

[marcologico]

23. Cleland probably did win, but that's another discussion. Nobody's

saying change the message, but we need a ground game in what, 37 freakin' states of the union? They need to hear it in their language.

[RogueTrooper]

17. You are right we do

That is why we do not need a DNC chair who can only bring losing strategies to the table. And we certainly do not need a chair who campaigns with George W. Bush. INMO people who do that should be thrown out of the party.

[w4rma]

19. Why should anyone trust the guy? He bashes Dems while being a Dem

and cuddles up to extreme right-wingers like Bush while being a Dem. The voters probably wondered (correctly) why he didn't run as a Republican. And so he lost.

If he and his campaign managers were smart, they could have run a conservative campaign AGAINST Bush. He could have tried to harness sentements against Bush that many conservatives have. But, instead he ran by trying to pretend he was a Republican on the Democratic ticket.

[ClarkUSA]

29. He lost because of DeLay redistricting, plain and simple

And Frost as DCCC Chairman picked up more seats than any other DCCC Chair in
history.

Lots of politicians have to camouflage who they really are in order to win.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. your one liners are a fucking riot

Is that to keep people from reconizing your posting style?

Where did I say that we didn't need to win in red states? Why are you arguing with a point I didn't make?

[dsc]

24. He was running in a hugely Republican district

and trying to save his seat (along with a chance for the House). I can forgive an ad or two in that effort if his record is good.

[RogueTrooper]

25. I can't agree with you dsc

Running adverts that, in effect, expressed support for Bush over Kerry is wrong. It's wrong strategicaly and it is wrong moraly. We cannot have the chair of the DNC advising candidate to run adverts against our candidates because they happen to be running in a conservative state. We have to stop handing the knife to the Republicans so they can slit our throat

[dsc]

26. The part quoted mentions Kennedy, not Kerry

I don't want to register right now so if there is a part which mentions anti Kerry ads please quote that. That would be a different story.

[NoPasaran]

27. Frost really got screwed on redistricting

He thought that running as a "Bush Democrat" he had a chance to win, but in the end it didn't work for him. I don't know that sticking to some Democratic positions would have worked any better, but at least it would have been an honorable defeat.

But for leader of the party, I don't think we're asking for too much when we want someone who disagrees with the republicans.

[ClarkUSA]

30. Understandable request

but let's not act all outraged at Frost when Dean (whom I support for DNC Chair)
is buds with Simon Rosenberg (who thinks Bush was "well-intentioned" with regard to the Iraq War).

This is politics. Let's see how any of us could last as a high-ranking Democrat in Texas as a Democrat and a Jew.

[NoPasaran]

31. I'm not outraged at Frost

And I hope I didn't come across that way. Heck, I even donated to his campaign.

[ClarkUSA]

32. I think you made a reasonable point...

and I was directing my comments at this thread in general. You came across
just fine. :hi:

[ClarkUSA]

34. Frost is no "Democrats are beating up on me" Roemer

Here is a representative sampling of his most recent voting scores

AFL-CIO: 93 percent

Human Rights Campaign: 88 percent

Leadership Conference on Civil Rights: 92 percent

League of Conservation Voters: 85 percent

NARAL Pro Choice America: 100 percent

National Hispanic Leadership Agenda: 83 percent

[KittyWampus]

37. Voting Record? Facts? FIE, I Say!

[sherilocks]

39. Take a good look at Frost's voting record

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Martin_Frost.htm

Frost's voting record looks good to me. He's rated as a left leaning moderate or a right leaning liberal, right on the line.

[KittyWampus]

43. I Actually Agree. My Comment Was A Sarcastic Imitation Of What A

boatload of DU'ers are insisting on posting lately. :)

[sherilocks]

44. Sorry

I was going through a few DU threads about Frost and by the time I got to your post I thought that Frost was to the right of Atilla the Hun. At that point I decided to look up his record and statements and discovered he's to the left of a lot of good Democrats.

[XemaSab]

38. People's friends

Don't really matter.

Maria Shriver and Ahnold are married. So are Carville and Matalin.

I'd personally rather have beers with Pat Buchanan or John McCain than with Michael Moore or John Kerry. This doesn't mean my politics are anywhere near theirs, and maybe the attraction is because my politics are unlike theirs.

[ClarkUSA]

41. Don't ask me for my opinion of Shriver/McCain/Kerry/Carville, okay?

I'll take Michael Moore over any of the three you mentioned, thanks. Here's something on that lying hypocrite, Sen. McCain, from former admirers who used to have the highest praise for him (as I did, even though he was anti-choice):

'John McCain can be just another partisan hack.Ê After campaigning
side by side with Bush and saying again and again he was doing so
in particular because Bush had a better plan for the War on Iraq, as
soon as the election was done, McCain admitted he thinks the way
the war in Iraq is being fought is entirely wrong, and that, as Kerry
said, we should have more troops over there and armor on the
vehicles.Ê Compare what McCain says just after the election above
with what Kerry was saying way back in May in this article.

You think we needed more troops, Senator McCain?Ê Have "no
confidence" in Rumsfeld and the way the Bush administration is
fighting the war?Ê Then you should have gotten behind your friend
Kerry.

Obviously McCain was putting his 2008 presidential ambitions
above the nation and what is best for the troops.Ê And that is truly
sad to see from a man who usually will put principle above party.'

http://www.moderateindependent.com/

[XemaSab]

42. I'm not saying

that's who I like personally, or agree with, I just think talking to them would be interesting. Add Colin Powell to the list of right-wingers I'd find it interesting to chat with.