Hearing is back from it's break

[AlCzervik]

[Beaverhausen]

1. I can't get c-span to play

please post details!!!

thanks :hi:

[AlCzervik]

2. Lisa (R( from alaska says "Alaskians are concerned about North Korea"

Rice talking about a deterrnt and our "strong Alliance" with South Korea. "thank you senator for your question"

[Justitia]

3. well, the inherited Sen from AK (R) just lobbed an asinine softball

She said that the foremost thing on Alaskans minds was North Korea.
Yes, I'm sure North Korea is TOPS on their list of daily concerns for life in Alaska.

Nincompoop.

[Blue_In_AK]

6. R-i-i-i-g-g-h-h-t......... That's what I'M thinking about for sure. n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. it was suppose to continue at 2:00 NOT 2:30 and Boxer was to resume her

questioning at 2:00...they made sure we didn't see it!!! effing bastards...i ahte the media whores!

[bear425]

9. I could swear they said 2:30

because I was cooking in the kitchen and looked at the clock and it was 1:00. And I thought to myself...self: I will be done cooking in and hour and 1/2.

Maybe I was wrong, but I hope we didn't miss Barbara Boxer.

[fooj]

52. That was my understanding, as well!

:hi:

[signmike]

45. No mention of Boxer Ch. 9 L.A. News at Noon

News at Noon on Channel 9 in Los Angeles - the coverage of the hearings
lasted about 30 seconds, not one word of Barbara Boxer or her questions to
Rice. Showed Feinstein saying if Rice's past track record continues "...we
may rest assured..."
and there it was cut off. I might imagine that to be basically taken out of
context? Did Dianne say something like 'we may rest assured the lying will
continue' ?

[buzzard]

72. She will be back on later.n/t

[TeacherCreature]

5. Does anyone know if it was pre-empted to cut Boxer?

It's such a disgrace...WORST SOS NOMINEE EVER....

[Skidmore]

7. I believe it was a lunch break and Boxer gets a chance

at a Round Two.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. you know it was!...asscrack and mccellon preempted the return coverage

of Boxer's return to questioning Condi...the fuckers!

[buzzard]

10. Has she had her second round?n/t

[Skidmore]

11. Is this the "official" hearing thread?

[caligirl]

12. I can't believe how corny Bill Nelson is. He said to Condi, you can make a

difference if you jump on that horse and ride it"

Sounds like something * might have also said to Condi. In private I'm sure.

Corrected for name of Senator, not Reid. Thank you.

[AlCzervik]

14. Thats Bill Nelson from Florida.

[rachelbirds]

13. This is

contentious enough for me. I'm nodding off.

[Al-CIAda]

15. Rumor on another thread has it that Biden told Boxer to tone it down

POS that he is.

[Greybnk48]

18. What thread?

This may be blasphemous, since Alexander is a repug, but he seems to be asking some good questions--no?

[Justitia]

21. had the same thought about the "how to define success" question -eom

[Justitia]

19. are you kidding me???

If true - STFU Joe!
You don't speak for me!

[Al-CIAda]

24. Thread location of rumor-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2966811

[Sparkly]

27. A 9-count poster who registered today

Take it fwiw.

[Al-CIAda]

30. Roger that. In my drive-by I had not taken notice. -eom

[CWebster]

32. Well, I wouldn't have any problem believing it

I missed Boxer, but I am sure that pimpy Joe couldn't bear a woman getting the spotlight, so he took it upon himself to remind her of her place and to get back in line.

[dannynyc]

34. Biden - 202-224-5042

I just called his office and asked he not try to hold back Boxer. Boxer is the only Senator with any guts to ask the hard questions many people in this country want asked.

Call Biden - Add your voice!

PS - When I called Biden's office, I was very calm and stated the issue.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

42. that can't be true and if it is Boxer would tell Biden to shove it where..

the sun don't shine!

[GreenArrow]

48. ah yes, Joe "Anita Hill Hearings" Biden

Go Cheney yourself, you fucking phoney.

[Justitia]

16. snooze portion - repubs are pussyfooting around, killing time

Lamar Alexander (R - TN) is on, can't figure out where he is headed.

[AlCzervik]

17. Lamarr Alexander (R) trying to pin her down on a timetable

for Iraq.

[Deb]

20. Sen Alexander wants to redefine "success" in Iraq

How freaking low does the Senator want the bar to go?

[AlCzervik]

28. He wants more "foreign" satudents coming here to create jobs

for us.

[barbaraann]

44. I just posted about that in GD.

It was strange, I thought.

[AlCzervik]

47. I don't know if he was implying that we aren't smart enough to create

are own jobs or if by having more students here creates job because they will require services.

[CWebster]

22. So, Bill Nelson is a Democrat?

Complaining about that Leftist threat in Venezuela which could threaten our oil faucet.

Pretty naked admission to our true agenda.

And what about Iran he demands?

Where is the light between R and D?

[AlCzervik]

23. yeah, i didn't like that one bit

and he also confirmed the regine change in Haiti and how "We" did it.

[Justitia]

25. I've heard him called a DINO, but I don't know enough to say -eom

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. Nelson usually sucks

He's more Repug-lite then a real DEM.

After he refused to stand with Boxer and Conyers I told his office I would never vote for him again.

[Al-CIAda]

29. Maybe if 'we' stopped trying to assasinate and/or discredit their

duly elected leaders- perhaps they won't have such an attitude toward the peace loving Bu$hco junta.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. he is a republite..as are many

[Pam-Moby]

26. This is so funny

I am watching C-span and calling Boxers office to get the address to send a donation....I was on hold for 5 minutes. They have been getting many calls about the C-span coverage. HAHAHA

[caligirl]

33. Senator Biden can be chastised at phone: [phone] for not

having the balls Boxer has and possibly asking my Senator Boxer to tone it down. I just talked to his office about this rumor saying I hope it isn't true, because if Joe said this he'd be wrong. I reminded him of the thousands who support her.

[Justitia]

35. If true, we should use his own cufflinks to button his lips - eom

[mattclearing]

40. Considering Delaware's population vs. California...

Something tells me Boxer has more voters' support.

edited for typo

[caligirl]

43. you are right. She also was reelcted with the 3rd highest vote count

in history. A real mandate, not a shrub man date.

[CWebster]

36. She do drone on endlessly

in her sophomoric academese.

She is a master dissembler.

[Justitia]

37. Obama's up! -eom

[blueblitzkrieg]

39. make us proud Obama...

please!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

46. Obama is the new stealth Republican. Look out for him. n/t

[Justitia]

41. he's talking nuclear proliferation - some points I have heard from Dean

i.e., - "Why aren't we buying up the nuclear stockpiles / material?"
I heard this from Dean many, many times!

Obama brought up we have acquired LESS since 9/11, compared to pre 9/11.

[XemaSab]

38. Obama's on!!!!!!!!

n/t

[Justitia]

49. Y'all are missing nothing. More snoozeballs from Sunununununu (R-NH)

[AlCzervik]

50. i'm waiting for Boxer.

[fooj]

57. Yessss!!! If this a.m. was an indication of what may come...

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!! Long live The Boxer! Funny how Boxer was a character in Orwell's Animal Farm! How's that for irony!

[Al-CIAda]

53. Obama stunk up the room. He blew it.

[RuleofLaw]

55. Agree

This is an opportunity of a lifetime to hold one of the most vocal supports of the war accountable, and only B. Boxer has done it so far.

Rice lied to the 9/11 commission. Lied to the US people about the war and keeps lying, and only one senator has the balls to call her on it?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

67. He's the next Colin Powell. A DLC Trojan Horse. Expect nothing....n/t

[Justitia]

54. Crap, she is awful to listen to. Maybe it is a strategy?

Blah, blah, blah, we're bombing Tehran, blah, blah, blah

[AlCzervik]

59. She goes from one subect (lie) to another w/o a break

in some spots it's hard to follow her.

[Mist]

62. Washingtonese combined w/Phd. oral exam drivel

A truly awful combination.

[CWebster]

56. The discussion of the I/P issue

NEVER mentions the context of the Occupation.

[Justitia]

58. she said the Palestinians should be nicer to the Israelis.

In the parental tone of "be nicer to your brother, dammit"

[beam me up scottie]

66. Yes, I heard her say "They need to stop it, just stop it!"

brilliant

[AlCzervik]

60. Mel Martinez is up...blech

[bear425]

double blech from me.

[Justitia]

61. Mel Martinez (R-FL) is on. Puke alert! He is scum. -eom

[AlCzervik]

63. oh Christ he's bashing Chavez

[Justitia]

64. He is petitioning Condi to attack Venezuela. He hates Chavez. -eom

[Justitia]

65. sounds like she'd do it!

[realFedUp]

68. Rice says government in Venezuela is a negative influence...

Of course Ms. Rice would love to depose Chavez
like they did Aristide, both democratically
elected, unlike their pal Musharoff.

[Deb]

69. Sen Boxer wants two more hours

for questioning, she was joking :-)

[JohnOneillsMemory]

71. No, she said "two rounds" and was misheard.

This was turned into a joke by the chairman while Boxer said "I don't want two hours!"

[Deb]

74. thanks for the correction

:hi:

[Al-CIAda]

70. Biden kissing more Condi ass!

[AlCzervik]

73. Biden is really pissing me off today, well for the past few years

actually.

[pinto]

75. overall I'm concerned with the level of condescension toward Iraq.

It's their fight now, they need to step up, we can't expect a mature government too soon. (slight smile) All this from Condi.

[rodeodance]

76. good god-Lugar is just mumbling on and on!!!!1

[pinto]

77. 'though I'm against term limits, he always makes me rethink my stand....

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

78. yes, I keep hearing her say that also. Reas as-if Iraq fails-it is their

fault.

[rodeodance]

79. any reasonable possibility that US would withdraw substancial forces

at end at 2005? Condi said not know. Biden wants her to give the American people a straight answer!!

[rodeodance]

80. biden says we, the people do not expect to stay that much longer. um..

Wants more candor from Bush and her!!!!

[rodeodance]

81. biden asked if the goal of Adm. to change the regime of IraN? condi

has run a round answer!!!!

[AlCzervik]

82. she's not answering directly of course

but i'll take it as a yes.

[rodeodance]

86. I think you are right--sadly (but our piggy bank is broke!! )

[Geek_Girl]

85. Yep

Iran next on the Neo Con war plan. I have no doubt about that. She side stepped that question pretty well.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

83. Biden slipped twice. "Americans need an honest response...pr...ossibly..."

He's asking for a better prognosis for Iraq and said "Americans need an honest response...I mean-a sense that an honest evaluation has been made..."

Then he said that everyone in the military he's spoken to say they need atleast 150,000 troops for the next year and 'pr...ossibly' beyond."

He meant Americans think they are being lied to AND the troops will PROBABLY be there longer than another year.

Even Biden can't hide the lies he's covering for as he prompts Condi to lie better herself.

[pinto]

88. yeah, for what it's worth, I think the elephant is in the room...n/t

[rodeodance]

99. biden was pretty jumbled but he wanted honest answers but they are not

forthcoming from Condi.

[pinto]

84. Biden up, says we need some honesty about troop commitments in Iraq,

and cites Hersch article re: Iran.

(personally hate these multiple choice statements/questions...would rather see a question, an answer, a follow up, etc..but I'm glad he's brought the Hersch article to the "discussion")

[rodeodance]

87. after the Pentagon dismissed the hersch article!! good for Biden

[rodeodance]

89. Biden wants a straight forward answer (te he-he has a long wait)

[JohnOneillsMemory]

90. He gives friendly multiple answers to his questions and leaves one safe

answer for Condi to spout.

Biden on the assist...SCORES!

[rodeodance]

91. biden worries (NK and IraN)--we are probl not ready to deal with them.

concerned that the spread of nuclear weapons is a grave problem.

[rodeodance]

93. " the horse may not be able to carry the sleigh" says Biden--meaning

the US-the 800 lb gorillia is not up to snuff in dealing with NK and IraN and the nuclear issue problem!! scary stuff!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

92. Chuck Hagel is up now.

[AlCzervik]

94. he looks like he's not real interested.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

95. Asking if climate change is on the agenda with Blair.

She's saying we have to be pro-growth to include China in talks.

"Screw the climate, there's money to be made."

[JohnOneillsMemory]

97. Hagel: "The record is positive we just haven't explained it very well."

Oh, a PR failure. Buy another journalist, asshole.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

100. I want Boxer. This is pap and drivel. Just waiting for Rice to burn...n/t

[rodeodance]

101. hey that is the excuse as to why the Dems lost-we just did not communicate

will enough!!!! geech!!

[pinto]

96. uh oh, Condi lays out the agenda. Blair/Bush transformation for expansion

of "our" goals in the world. The Trans Atlantic Alliance - what is that? Doesn't sound like the UN to me....I think it's a "transformed" NATO, with a global focus. That's really it.

(OK, tin foil hat off)

[rodeodance]

98. the poodles are going to continue the party--how nice to know!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

102. A 9/11 QUESTION! WHY TV INSTEAD OF CONGRESS TESTIMONY!

[rodeodance]

104. Don't come to the Congress-wants to know why. Condi--separation of

powers.

[rodeodance]

106. condi was talking about being the presidents staff that does not have

to report to Congress (consult with).

[TheDonkey]

103. The (D) from Maryland is chewing Condi up, she's unraveling

haha, it's so funny.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

105. "How can we believe that as SOS you'd consult with Congress?"

[AlCzervik]

107. hehe----he knows she'll lie

[JohnOneillsMemory]

108. "You only met with Rebublicans in the House and Senate, no Dems. WTF?"

Yeah! You partisan NSA...

[rodeodance]

110. oh, but Condi says she plans to be bi-partison!!!!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

112. Back to economics. Question about the strength of the dollar.

She declines to answer, "deferring to Treasury."

He's not letting her wriggle out of it and talking about the challenge of the strong Euro and oil-producing countries now using it.

Is she concerned? She declines again.

[rodeodance]

109. Sen Sarbanes, Sen, Dem complain that did not meet with House members

My take, from what she said is that even as SOS she would not have to answer 'private' questions. In other words, secretcy is still the mantra!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

113. "the US of Europe" a book cited by Sarbanes-the Euro meant to compete

with the dollar. Are you concerned. Condi referred him to the Treasury.

[TheDonkey]

111. Yikes, he's really slapping her up! Attacking her on America's economy

and how SOS should be concerned. Damn this man is doing good.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

114. He's citing the challenge of China. Is she concerned?

Oh, she'll work very closely blah blah blah

[JohnOneillsMemory]

117. She wants a "level-playing field." That's what the Pentagon's for, right?

[rodeodance]

115. are you concerned with the expanse of China? Condi-- China needs

be live by a rule based system!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

116. Sarbanes, rightly concerned with us not being concerned enough

with our economic situation in the world!! Good for him!!

[TheDonkey]

118. yea I never really thought about that. But it is very important and very

sad that she had nota fucking clue what he was talking about.

[rodeodance]

119. Largar concerned with foreign exchange rate also! wants Condi to

chat with Bush about this. good grief, a chat with Bushco?? how will that help?

[rodeodance]

121. Us seems to have a hypocritical stance with some countries (i.e

Packistan).
This from a Republican Senator -says making derogatory comments about some countries.

[Geek_Girl]

I think it was a good question

Rices answer was hypocritical just like the Bush administration foreign policy.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

120. Lincoln Chafee up brown nosing on her knowledge of obscure countries.

[rodeodance]

122. I think he made a valid comment-and Veniszualia is not an obscure

country.

[AlCzervik]

124. he actually stood up for chavez.

[Blue_In_AK]

226. Chafee was pretty right on for a Republican n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

123. He tsk tsk-ed over strong rhetoric against Venezuala. She's talking Russia

[rodeodance]

126. mentioned Condi and Boxer little spat and the issue of credibility!! Good

for him!!!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

127. He mentions Boxer and says 'trust is built on consistency' and you aren't.

Meaning Condi bashes some and applauds others who have the same human rights issues.

[MADem]

125. He just KICKED HER ASS!!!!!

Chavez is an asshole....and Musharref isn't??? Consistency, Condi, CONSISTENCY!!!!

There's a Republican I could work with...of course, he's a New England Republican (unlike Mitt Romney, a fucking carpetbagger from Utah) which puts him to the left of Dueling Zell Miller.

[Geek_Girl]

128. A Disrespectful hypocritical foreign policy

I think he did good for a republican!

[rodeodance]

129. agreed---he kicked her butt!! Condi said that the Vens gov has not

been constructive last two years. and he responded back. The Ven people have spoken!! (don't try to overturn the Ven. gov.)!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

130. Chris Dodd now hitting her for her campaigning for the Chimperor.

She says she'll respect the tradition of THIS office if confirmed.

Meaning she sure didn't respect the office of NSA.

[rodeodance]

133. Condi said she did not read the Condalaz torture opinions. Did I hear

that right?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

137. delete-oops-Pacifica is interviewing Hersh and played a clip. My feed!

[Greybnk48]

131. What an effing LIAR

She WAS giving campaigns speeches and everyone knows it!!

[pinto]

138. Chaffee made a good point about consistency and I loved the Chavez

reference, that Condi's remarks demeaned the people of Venezuela, given the referendum vote (as in "democracy", d'oh)...

[TheDonkey]

132. *mwah* I love Dodd, he's getting good now

Slapped her for campaigning for *
Keeps hammering away at her, she's a scary woman. Sounds smart and cocky but truly a dumbass.

[AlCzervik]

134. "I prefer not to answer that" in regards to torture.

[TheDonkey]

149. WOWEEEEE HE JUST SHAMED HER!!!

Just told her to talk to McCain, nearly got in her face (of course seperated by a table)

He is pissed. wow.

[AlCzervik]

157. No sir, she shamed her self.

[rodeodance]

135. will not give her opinon on the Torture memos!!

[caligirl]

142. No she won't say it was torture, cause war crimes have no statute

of limitations. Can't be direct and escape the courts later!!

Dodd you are right. This is an important moment. Our soldiers tortured??

[TheDonkey]

136. oh shit, the lies!!! She was shaking

couldn't bear to tell the truth about what she tought of torture. She's scared and lying so fast she can't think.

[rodeodance]

139. she said she did not 'read the full opinion" --yet she said she adviced

the President. She still talks in third person--not willing to speak for herself!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

143. Is nudity torture--asks Dodd for the 3rd time!! Condi gives run a round

answers--does not want to comment on specific techniques!! Dodd said it was a 'disappointing" answer--as a human being said she should be able to speak about it withour getting into the leglaes responses. On and on she goes---no response--she speaks in terms in the US!!

[rodeodance]

"We believe" she keeps saying and Dodd wants her human response!

told her to speak with John McGain. He is troubbled by her answer!! has given up as she will just put him off!!!!!!

[Greybnk48]

141. She's NOT human Senator

[Al-CIAda]

140. Obviously Joe Biden was so eager to vote FOR confirmation that he

wanted to wrap it up today. Rubber stamping the person who was NSA and is partially responsible for 9/11 'failure'...who has lied repeatedly as partially detailed by Boxer.


Interesting side- The repuke before Dodd (who is on now) indirectly chastised Liezza on critisizing Chavez (Venez.)....He said 'but the Venezualan people voted and want him as their leader....by doing this, he is setting up the implied effect of asserting the Amer. ppl. have spoken for Bush.

[AlCzervik]

145. Biden has a "Long standing" commitment dontcha know

maybe he has a hair replugging appt or maybe he's getting his teeth re-capped.

[fooj]

152. What could be more important?

:shrug:

[pinto]

144. Oh man, Dodd has hit it.........

[never cry wolf]

146. VERY IMPORTANT POINT!

In answering Dodd's question, she essentially admitted that bunnypants made the policy decision, after discussion, to allow torture.

[rodeodance]

282. she and bush together made the decision.

[Guaranteed]

147. OH OH OH just brutal. JUST BRUTAL

"At the end of these hearings, I'd like you to spend about 15 minutes with John McCain (to talk to him about the Geneva Conventions)."

[rodeodance]

151. Condi just refused to talk about torure!! talked in circles!

[mtnester]

153. Yeah, John McCain

Ask him about the effect of waffling answers like yours on POW's

he said it...I spit iced tea

[msgadget]

166. Oh, so it IS torture

when someone from the right reframes the question as 'abuse'.

[fooj]

148. Disappointing answer! Ooh La La...

She's screwed. She won't answer the question! Lovin' it! Dodd is on a roll!!!!!!!!

[muse]

156. Dodd tells Condi to go to school with McCain for 15 minutes!

And hopefully she'll learn a thing or two about what happens to Americans when others throw out the Geneva Convention and use whatever torture they want against our troops.

[fooj]

171. Is he on fire, or what?

Go Dodd, Go!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Cheswick2.0]

150. Dodd is kicking her ass

What a light weight she is.


Oh okay, it's okay to torure Arabs because they didn't sign on to the Geneva convention. WOW.

[fooj]

154. Blistering...

She's gonna need to sit on a donut before this is over!

[fooj]

159. Did you guys catch that? Andrea says "very student-like!" Restrained!

Really? I would have never guessed.

[fooj]

164. Oh C'mon! She's got parties to get ready for.

These "little details" are infringing on her precious primping time!

[rodeodance]

162. Dodd wants us to look at different ways to establish relationships--seems

he is not satisfied with the way the WH is making relations now!!

[rodeodance]

155. what a complete whitewash Condi is!! not answer questions about torture

or even economics!!!

[mtnester]

158. Or AIDS, or Latin America

or anything for that matter

[muse]

160. Yea! More Dodd later!

[selmo7]

161. Condi - woman without a soul

and why Voice of the White House says:

"Bush and his people, including Condoleeza Rice, have no standing in the world and are viewed everywhere as thugs, assassins and bullies."

[rodeodance]

165. George Allen, Rep. Virginia--phasology--torture or abuse!! now

Condi says that Abu-Grabi was abuse (not torture) . she said she did not have a chance tis before--what a bunch of crap!!!

[muse]

169. Umm, Condi, we aren't prosecuting all the ones responsible for

Abu Ghraib. Like Rummy, Bush . . .

[caligirl]

163. anyone recall how many speakers left before Boxer? School lets out in the

next half hour, have to run out.

[AlCzervik]

167. no, i have to go too!!!!

i hope she's up soon.

[rodeodance]

168. sorry, but do not know the line up

[RadiDem]

170. Dodd turrned her into a whimpering ninny !

way to go !

[rodeodance]

173. She is a ninny--she just tries to pretend she is not!! Dodd is GRAND!!

[caligirl]

174. But how much searing criticism is needed to put a blite on his

entire administrations next 4 years?

[MADem]

172. Oh boy, now she's taking questions from Howdy Doody!!!!

The braindead Senator from VA has the strangest face, it is like rubber, and he always has a fixed, Howdy-Doody-like smile on his fat mug. He's doing a China whine to appeal to those in the southern part of the state, and to the tech sector, but I'll bet you a Krispy Kreme donut they've rehearsed this part....

[rodeodance]

176. She seems to have a rehearsed answer that is for sure.

[muse]

177. Are we done talking about "IPR" yet . . . . snooze

[underpants]

175. !!!!Watch out for George Allen's Jedi mind tricks!!!!

Sweet nectar of liberty in the first round of questions.

[rodeodance]

178. protecting intellectual propety (from China)---it is a condition of libert

y says allen.

[AlCzervik]

179. LOL!!!! i think i just ruined my keyboard!!!!

[Greybnk48]

180. Do you think he's going to ask her

what she's going to do about steroid use in baseball?

[rodeodance]

Allen said Condi will help the US advance freedom!! lots of talk of free

dom today!!!!!

[Wind Dancer]

182. He truly makes me sick! n/t

[underpants]

321. He worked "fair and balanced" into question

but sadly Santorum has usurped him as the next golden boy.

[muse]

184. George Allen says, "God Bless Us, Everyone."

Freedom is on the March!

Boxer speaks!!!

Yes!!!! It's our job, not cross examination!!!!!

[fooj]

181. Leadership? Give me a break!

She won't even answer a question!

[rodeodance]

185. Boxer wants to continue tomorrow (Kerry has second chance also

tomorrow)

[rodeodance]

188. Allen does not want Boxer to use the term 'cross-examine"!!

[pinto]

183. I love Republican questions! "What should we do in the Caucasus?"

From Allen R- Virginia.

Agenda time.............(I see pipelines, gas lines, democracy, freedom..)

[Guaranteed]

186. Lugar's trying to bail her out, now, trying to get a vote. nt

[msgadget]

187. They want to stay and vote tonight!

This can't be fast tracked, can it?

[rodeodance]

189. Kerry talking of nuclear prolif--chiding Bush who said that it was the

most important issue--during the debates!!

[rodeodance]

190. well, they seem to boing on right on-Kerry is up

[Guaranteed]

191. Great points by Kerry. 300 B's on Iraq. 1M on securing REAL nukes? nt

[AlCzervik]

192. that was excellent.

[rodeodance]

220. twas grand

[rodeodance]

193. wants Bush to lead the world in securing nuclear materials. He chidded

BushCo. Condi says yes, but kerry is challenaging her.

[rodeodance]

194. kerry said that there has been no action on security (Russia) --Bush

always says he is the outcome President--will meansure outcomees!! te he Kerry said that the nuclear material was NOT on the agenda and Condi said it was!!!!

[fooj]

195. Kerry gives her a short lesson on Global Diplomacy! Woo Hoo!

and now for a little spankin':spank:

[rodeodance]

198. She needs a lesson--First lesson--talk truth!!

[rodeodance]

196. Condi said it was a priority but kerry does not seemed convinced!!

Kerry talking about the highly enriched uraniam that is laying around. Kerry plan done in 4 years and then he said it would take 3 years just to get to talk about it with the Bush plan (what a slam)!!

[fooj]

201. Ouch!

:nuke: And now she would prefer not to DISCUSS this any further? This is who will be our next Sec.of State? Boy, did they just cut Kerry off, or what?

[Cheswick2.0]

197. U have to give Kerry his due, he is doing a good job

She says she would like to sit down with Kerry and talk about his plan...LOL, that would be the first time they let the democrats in on anything.

[rodeodance]

199. Kerry said her answers are "highly unsatisfactory" Condi said will not

respond to more questions on nuck stuff.

[muse]

200. Kerry did good. He knows his stuff.

You can tell, because Condi wasn't doing the whole smiley thing like she was doing with most people. She was having to pay attention and give real answers.

[rodeodance]

202. yes, kerry was low -keyed but he did very well!! put her on the spot!!

[fooj]

203. Kerry did so well that they CUT HIM OFF!

Someones a little concerned, don't you think?

[rodeodance]

207. yes, kerry was getting down to serious questions and then C. said no more

questions. what a sham!!!!

[fooj]

237. You'd think he'd get tired of these little pricks screwing with him!

Take 'em on, John!

[rodeodance]

204. C-span call in time now--call from Oregon! says Rice dishonet

critical of Bush and his 'immenant threat"

[blueblitzkrieg]

206. Next caller says...It's all Clinton's fault!!!!!

sigh

[TheDonkey]

205. Kerry wasn't as rabid as Dodd, who rocked, but was good

very good.

[rodeodance]

209. "she failed all Americans" She was pathetic at the 9/11 hearings says

a caller in. She should have been fired and now can not answer a single question!!

[blueblitzkrieg]

210. That woman was right on!

whos this idiot from Texas "uhhhhhhhhhhhhh i support bush uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh condi wuz good uhhhhhhhhhhhh yea uhhhhhhhhh"

[rodeodance]

213. from OHIO---does not normally think a women would make a good

SOS--but she would. geech!!!!

[XemaSab]

208. It's Clinton's fault!!!!!!!!!

n/t

[rodeodance]

211. many people live in a dream world and blame the clintons for all

that is wrong in the world! sad

[fooj]

212. "they deserve and want a policy" Amen, Kerry!

This is all very frightening...they are such incompetents! Difficult, Necessary and Right! You've got to be kidding me! She dodged EVERY QUESTION on torture. We should play that clip over and over and over and over again! Do you think Americans will be OK with this?

[fooj]

215. Washington Post...Condi was clearly taking an oral examination!

:boring: Why don't they just say it? She's full of crap!

[rodeodance]

239. only the Dems are really examining Condi!!

[rodeodance]

217. C=span will show highlights tonigh and they WILL show Boxer --they

said this specifically.
next caller said she will do a good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blueblitzkrieg]

214. ROFL sexist Bush caller says he doesnt think women can do good

as secretary of state

but he thinks condi could...hm, ok. rofl

[XemaSab]

216. Them wimmins need to stay in the home

That dude from South Carolina sounded like endorsing a black woman was personally painful.

[rodeodance]

218. that women said kerry should get over it (broken record) and shouded

like he was still running for president. what a jert. she obviously just dismissed him at the start and did not even listen to his concerns
about nukes!!!!

[fooj]

222. Brainwashed and propagandized!!!

Welcome to "tunnel vision"!

[blueblitzkrieg]

224. "Kerry is bitter cause he lost"

"he said there were disenfranchised voters, and i dont think i agree with that. and barbara boxer is sooooooooo far to the left"

blah. what a turd.

[rqstnnlitnmnt]

227. "she's a fine american..."

what the HELL is wrong with these people??!?!!

"get over it"
"Sore loser"

:puke:

[fooj]

219. OK...What am i missing?

How can this be "clearly an easy confirmation"? That's what The Post just said. This is insane!

[rodeodance]

223. The Dems have stepped up to the plate today. Bet the WH is fuming!

[fooj]

234. Only is they can tear themselves away from honoring the troops!

:puke: Yet, the nominated Sec. of State can't answer one question in regards to them. Not one! Pretty telling, I'd say!

[pdxmom]

221. Listening to NPR

They are saying how it sounds like Condi has not stated her own position on anything. That she's just mouthing the WH position, period. Talked about how she had all the information down perfectly, but that her "detractors" could point out that she doesn't seem to have been a very deep thinker about any of this information.

[rodeodance]

225. woman just said Boxer and Kerry were far to the left!! but good hearings

then she was cut off. Good!!

[rodeodance]

229. another women said that the comments about Kerry and Boxer were not

called for. good for her!!!!

[fooj]

230. Now using reason is considered far to the left? We are up shit creek!

WTF is the matter with these people?

[blueblitzkrieg]

232. Anyone that questions the administration is a "far left whacko".

The Bushies are the sane ones. Really. Drink the Kool Aid.

[fooj]

235. We should all watch ANIMAL FARM on THURSDAY!

Pretty strong message!

[rodeodance]

238. the WH considers itself pragmatists -reason is sidebar to them.

[fooj]

228. She's sold her credibility to the devil! Gave her integrity, too!

:spank:

[rodeodance]

231. Colman (Rep) said Ven. supporting the terrorists?

[rodeodance]

233. just do not impude her integrity!!!! yaddy yah

[rodeodance]

236. Norm Coleman wants to know our role in Columbia--Condid talks of

economic development. eeks--when our own econmy is on a alide!!

[rodeodance]

240. Russ Feigold disappointed that Condi not anser torture questions

Good for him@@@@@

[rodeodance]

241. He just chided her about not answering questions then went on to

other issues.

[rodeodance]

242. Condi said the Pres does not condone torture--she got that comment in

but still did not answer for herself. She is incapable of doing so!

[pdxmom]

243. They all keep saying they don't condone torture

but not one of them ever defines what torture is. I want one of these Senators to ask her to tell us what she thinks constitutes torture.

[rodeodance]

244. Russ ended up by saying it was unexceptable that she could not respond

to the Dodd questions about torure. he looked very disappointed!!

[caligirl]

245. boxer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

246. chidded Condi's view on Chavez and her non stance on torture!

[rodeodance]

247. boxer says we just will not agree (wmd) -so will put in record.

[rodeodance]

251. said answered in legaleze (torture question). pressing on the torture

issue!! boy is boxer digging or what!!!!!

[blueblitzkrieg]

249. God I love Boxer

forever!

[caligirl]

250. Ari Fleisher is now on record! So take that Condi,

[realFedUp]

248. Boxer up again talking about our foreign policy consistency

otherwise treating some leaders differently than
others although some of our best pals are terrorists.

[rodeodance]

252. Boxer said that Condi could not answer questions on a human level--

instead spouted off legalize!!!!

[rodeodance]

254. Boxer is digging deep and Condi is seathing hot!!!

[Joanne98]

256. Condi model number 34571

[caligirl]

255. She has Condi doing the two step, comes back tio reverse her words in a Bi

[rodeodance]

258. Boxer wants to know why Condi wrote that letter!!

[rodeodance]

259. Gen. Conv. NOT apply to persons like al-quida says Condi--says

nobody condones torture. says the Pres. on down offered appologies.

[crispini]

253. MAN. Boxer is goin' after her AGAIN. Woooot!

Boxer 08!

[rodeodance]

257. Boxer blaming tortore on Condi--right?

[realFedUp]

260. I don't think so

She's just asking her to state her opinion of
torture. Condi's digging a hole right now trying
to say why torture might be ok.

[Senator Lamb]

262. pass the popcorn

[fooj]

274. Buttered?

[rodeodance]

272. that is what I mean-by not answering Condi might as well just say yes.

And I do think Boxer was blaming-implicitly-the torture that occured on Condi (not just her, but she certainly had a role in the official policy).

[crispini]

261. She's not giving her an inch WRT Abu Ghraib.

Boxer references a piece of bipartisan anti-torture-lege (100%) that the Senate passed that Condi shot down with a letter. Condi "Geneva conventions should not be extended to terrorists, blah blah blah." Boxer just RIPPIN her up with facts and logic. THWACK.

[rodeodance]

264. Boxer said Condi not answering the question about why language was

taken out of a bipartian bill about torture. Boxter wants to know why and Condi says it did not belong in an intell bill. Boxer disagrees as it would tell the world that the US is against torure.
But, Condi, in her letter asked it to be stricken (letter came to light just last week says Boxer).
My question-why did lousy Senators take it out!!!!

[pdxmom]

265. Both barrels are going this time.

Wish I could actually see Condi's face.

[muse]

270. Boxer is so way above Condi. Walked all over her.

Condi is not even in the same league as Boxer. She should be embarassed.

[fooj]

263. Boxer is on fire! Again!

Go girl.....

[rodeodance]

266. Boxer said Condi had many opportunites today but could not answer

questions about her stance on torture-instead uses legalizes or refers back to the official stance!

[fooj]

271. That's because it wasn't in her "script"!

Boxer rocks!:headbang: :loveya: :loveya:

[rodeodance]

277. yes, not in her script--Right on!!!!

[fooj]

267. Oh my...Condi looks like a scolded school girl...

No love lost between these two! Boxer did a fabulous job!

[pdxmom]

268. My mama would call that

an old-fashioned ass-whuppin'.

[fooj]

273. Right on!

:spank: OUCH......

[rodeodance]

275. I saw Condi glaring at condi several times.

[fooj]

278. Oh for sure! I bet she'd love to engage in a little "cat fight"...

My $ is on Boxer!

[caligirl]

269. Anyone going to try to get through to cspan call in lines?

[caligirl]

276. 202-585-3880 dems cspan line, support boxer russ and Dodd Obama

[rodeodance]

279. Obama wants to know if BushCo can invade on an ad-hoc basis or

are there standards to use.

[rodeodance]

280. concern is that we went in specific threat of terror--that is in the past

now need an honest accounting if go into Iran or NK!! wants to look to the future!!!!!!!!! subtle warming I think!!

[dannynyc]

281. Obama's getting the evil eye . . .

Obama is very subtle, but, makes the point . .

[muse]

Condi thinks she is taking Obama to task, but she is NOT!!!

[rodeodance]

284. Obama wants consistancy in foreign policy and he is suble about it.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

322. Hi dannynyc!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[pdxmom]

283. Did I just hear right?

Did she once again make that implication between 9/11 and Iraq?

The talk of terrorism meant nothing to the American people until 9/11. It was too far removed. Every time they link terror to a specific country, they are, IMO, implying a relation to 9/11 to the average chowderhead out there.

[rodeodance]

285. yes, she made the link-very clearly!!

[rodeodance]

286. Dodd says 45% drop in grad students, 9% drop in undergraduates

[rodeodance]

289. Dodd-WE want to tell the world who we are-and torure not the way to do it.

[rodeodance]

290. Dodd says we gave WWI prisoners a break to speak to who we are.

[muse]

287. And she thinks this link business is worth the loss of American

lives (troops) and hundreds of billions of dollars we have spent on the war. She made that clear.

[caligirl]

288. Dodd bringing up Neuremberg, trials, N. site chosen because

that is where laws giving nazis power to torutrre and murder were given.

[rodeodance]

292. Condi says she understands--NOT she does NOT!! talks of prevention

which she sees as different! She missed Dodd's point completely!!

[Mist]

301. Dodd seemed sort of incredulous that CondiLIESa so didn't get it

Told her she should go on record as opposing torture not on legal technicalities, but because torture is wrong.

[Vinnie From Indy]

291. Boxer's Questions Rocked!!!!

Boxer's insistence on injecting reality into the kabuki theater of the modern Senate and confronting Rice on her mind numbingly transparent lies is very refreshing.

As an aside, the one thing that you can always count on in a televised Senate hearing is a Senator taking 9 1/2 minutes of his 10 minutes to ask a single question. Damn! They do love to hear themsleves talk!

[rodeodance]

293. Dodd is eloquant and Condi passed it by. Sad!!

[rodeodance]

295. Dodd-the Cuba question. Condi says Castro skimming money off

people who travel there. Dodd threw back with-and you do not think other leaders do the same. condi yak yak again!! Dodd threw his hands up and gave up!!

[Mist]

303. Oh the horror, the horror!

Castro might be skimming! Skimming apparently dwarfs anything any other gov't might be doing.

[hilster]

294. Cuba?

"No one wants to go to North Korea"

[rodeodance]

297. that was a stupid response from Condi-diversion !!

[crispini]

296. Wow, Kerry going after her with Sy Hersh article! nt

[rodeodance]

298. Condi says article is inaccurate (2,) she must have rehearsed that one

[pdxmom]

312. That's their standard response

But she never answered the specific questions and really left it open whether the main point of the article about our getting involved in Iran is true or not. Since they won't say specifically what is incorrect, I'm going with the story is true and the administration is lying.

[hilster]

299. and she immediately says that it isn't a credible source of information

[rodeodance]

300. knock the messenger (Sy Hersch)--that is the tactic of this Admin!!

[rodeodance]

302. Condi bragging Afgan again-Kerry says very diff. from IRAG!!

tying to relay to Condi that there is a deep rooted skepticism in Irag --and not all that rosy picture that is being painted. He is trying to talk with Condi but condi is missing the points!!

[rodeodance]

304. Kerry trying to have a decent conversation with Condi but not happening

[bettyellen]

305. is it possible your own skeptism breeds failure? -- JK

well, duh!

[realFedUp]

306. Did any Senator ask about the Negroponte death squads in Iraq?

I didn't hear anything but I think they should
be brought up tomorrow fer sure.

Dodd rocked and Kerry's doing a good job.

[rodeodance]

311. I do not think so, but yes, it should be an issue!!

[crispini]

307. Jeez, it's 7:30 in Washington.

Do these things usually run this long?

[spanone]

308. Ms. Rice is looking whipped. Looonnnggg day.

It's a burden to try and bolster lies, it's hard work as her master would say.

[rodeodance]

310. yes, hard work for Condi to keep her stories stright!

[rodeodance]

309. no, but they are having a good conversation. Kerry's are intelligant

while hers are off key

[muse]

313. Kerry has done his homework.

That much is obvious.

Leezza, not so much. She can't keep up.

[rodeodance]

315. it is like Kerry is giving a not so suble lesson!! Condi is bewildered at

some of the questions and can only respond with pat answers.

[muse]

316. And, she is thinking, when will this ever be over!

She'll have nightmares about Kerry tonight!

She ought to pull an all nighter getting ready for tomorrow morning.

[muse]

318. Lugar looks like he is dead in his chair.

Maybe sleeping with his eyes open?

[realFedUp]

314. LOL, Rice says Pakistan's come a long ways...

Yeah, they are even better at hiding the Taliban,
are taking tons of money from the US and are getting
a free ride for selling their nuclear secrets...

This woman shouldn't hold this office. Send her back
to the oily boardrooms.

[rodeodance]

317. wonder if Condi is "obsorbing' anything Kerry is trying to convey?

[rodeodance]

319. kerry is putting the onus of responibility back on Condi!! oh he is good

[muse]

320. he ended on such a good note.

Sounded like he did on the campaign trail.