OFFICIAL CONDOLEEZZA RICE CONFIRMATION THREAD #1

[Moderator]

(note, you can still start your own threads on the subject, this thread is provided as a convience).

[TahitiNut]

1. She starts right in with a lie ...

... or a very conveeenient ("Gonzaleeza") definition of 'torture'. Not once have they admitted that the 'abuses' at abu Ghraib were actually 'torture' nor have they admitted that Geneva covers anything they've done - despite all the high-sounding rhetoric.

[Feathered Fish]

2. I gotta run

but one comment before I leave...
She is a lying, shifty, corrupt fool. :grr: . Liar.
I've watched for 5 minutes and I can't take anymore of this.

[nickinSTL]

3. I understand that

I can't watch/listen...I depend on DU for updates:D

Listening just makes me want to...yell/scream/etc. Which isn't a good idea at work :D

[SammyWinstonJack]

75. That's five minutes more then I've watched.

Thank goodness for the DU running commentary or I wouldn't know what lies Condisleeza is spewing.

[DIKB]

4. I realized yesterday

(at the gym with others present) that I cannot even LOOK at anyone from this admin without being filled with rage to the point that others around me see it.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Did you throw some weights through the wall?

[DIKB]

14. I composed myself

but only AFTER seeing the scared look on some granny's face.

[maddezmom]

5. Biden hits back at Condi about accusing Boxer of impugning her integrity

Thank you Joe.

[coffeenap]

7. Biden is actually referring to Boxer

He AGREED that Boxer was right yesterday--but he is still voting for her!

[grumpy old fart]

8. He needs to quit making a speech, and make the Bitch answer a question

[buzzard]

10. She won't answer anyways so a lecture may be better.n/t

[grumpy old fart]

15. If you allow yourself time to followup on the lies...like Boxer yestereday

you can be much more effective...

[KurtNYC]

33. Yep, like the headlines say "Condi FACED tough questions"

doesn't say that she ANSWERED many of them.

[nickinSTL]

9. So...Condi's an incompetent liar...

but Biden thinks she's an acceptable choice for SoS?
:eyes:

[CWebster]

19. He will say anything to hear himself speak.

He still plays into the "gassed his own people" strategy, without noting where Saddam got the gas--and at a time when he was our pal. In addition there are questions as to whether it was Iraq, since Iran also gassed and the signature of the gas used in that region was Iran's brand.

Joe waits for someone else to open the door and then he joins the chorus.

[underpants]

11. Biden-"nothing nothing nothing" about Iraqi nukes

He is really demeaning her. ~"It's not about playing gotcha but at some point there is a level of maturation (to admit you are wrong)"

[grumpy old fart]

12. Yes, but to REALLY beat her up, make her respond and then follow up...

Now she'll just give her standard B.S. response and then no rebuttal...almost useless

[charlie]

13. Joe always gets too cute by half

He can't help himself.

[grumpy old fart]

16. yep...eom

[underpants]

17. I like him

I like the way he handles himself. That's just me.

[pdxmom]

24. I like him, too, but

it does bother me that he's going to go ahead and vote for someone who he obviously has real problems with, based on his questions and statements.

[CWebster]

23. He comes across as a crackpot.

I wish they would give him the hook.

[charlie]

21. That admission from Joe

lays to rest the notion that senior Democrats saw horrifying intel that the public wasn't privy to. That used to be a common defense for Yea votes on the IWR around here.

[Ian David]

18. WTF???? What's wrong with Biden??

He just blamed her for ruining our reputation in the international arena and placing us in jeopardy, isolated and alone.

AND HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO VOTE FOR HER!?!?!?!!?!

[Ian David]

20. Sen. Joseph Biden

DELAWARE OFFICES
Wilmington
1105 N. Market St.
Suite 2000
Wilmington, DE 19801-1233

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Milford
24 NW Front St.
Windsor Building, Suite 101
Milford, DE 19963

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Russell Building
WASHINGTON, D.C. OFFICE
201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
TDD: 202-224-5652
E-mail: [e-mail]

[coffeenap]

22. The look on Condi's face

when she looked at Biden when he asked about China is "the look" that the repugs give to all questioners--it says, "i have the power; you are a bug in my lunch". I get this look from "friends" all of the time. I cannot stand it any more!!!

[grumpy old fart]

25. "lessons Learned" talking points...

sheesh...let's talk about the fact that * is killing our young...

[KoKo]

26. Biden is really pinning her to the wall but she looks amused...what

the hell is with her. And, why doesn't Biden vote NO! Make a statement VOTE NO! The Repugs will vote her in...anyway, but if he has the major reservations he does with her why doesn't he just do it.

It seems they are just sucking up to each other laughing at the end after he did an excellent job of pointing out how the Administration lied us into War.

It was bizarre...

[coffeenap]

28. This keeps happening at every opportunity!!

[Catchawave]

27. I'm enjoying Biden more today....

...make her answer the questions!

[grumpy old fart]

29. yep, speeches aren't gonna cut it...make her ANSWER!!!

and FOLLOW UP!!!!

[coffeenap]

30. Why is there no one in the room? (Just shown)

[paineinthearse]

31. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&for

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1507195#1507365 was started just before 9AM and has a lot of traffic, but feel free to combine it into this one.

[grumpy old fart]

32. Stupid Open ended question from Feingold....

how is this gonna nail down anything? We need to be smacking her over the head with documented lies, lies, lies...jesus, they're everywhere, use 'em!!!

[Ian David]

34. Barbara Boxer's turn! Yay!

I love Sen. Boxer!

Viva La Boxer Revalucion!

[grumpy old fart]

36. Go Boxer Go Boxer Go Boxer!!!

[blueblitzkrieg]

35. BOXER IS UP! and still kicking ass!

[grumpy old fart]

38. She's the only one to really care about our dead... and tto remind

Condi that the administrations lies are killing our children...

[Oversea Visitor]

37. Hehehe

My apologise for laughing.
But I cant think of another reaction to all this.
The Democrats just deicded in no uncertain to present Bush with a lying State Secretary without a shred of credibility to the international communities. Haha oh boy the Republicans are in a hole.
Hmm how are they going to vote. Ouch Ouch this is funny.

[Oversea Visitor]

39. Go Boxer

punch her to a pulp then vote for her. Let Republican eat their own hehe.

[CWebster]

40. Boxer is exposing her as a clueless fraud

and nothing more than a good and faithful servant.

[underpants]

43. She is bringing up Rummy meeting with Saddam in '83

AFTER the gassings

[HootieMcBoob]

72. Thanks God For Barbara Boxer!

It is unbelievable to me that no one ever talks about this. "he gassed his own people" they say over and over again as justification for invasion. Yeah, he gassed his own people and how did we (read rumsfeld, reagan and bush) react? we told him not to worry about it! we even sent people over there to reassure him! Rumsfeld met with saddam! Dole met with Saddam! It was all just too too ok with them that Saddam gassed his own people at the time that he was actually gassing his own people! My God these people make me want to vomit. And the fact that that is never mentioned when that say that stuff is infuriating. Thank God Barbara Boxer has the spine and integrity to stand up to these people and their clouds of bull shit.

[CWebster]

44. The difference between Biden and Boxer

Biden echoes "Saddam gassed his own people", Boxer exposes the fuller story.

[Al-CIAda]

41. Boxer ALREADY has Condi bleeding all over!

Medic!!!!!!

:evilgrin:

[grumpy old fart]

42. God I love her....Call the bitch the liar she is, with her own words...

[beam me up scottie]

45. Saddam didn't account for his wmd because he didn't HAVE them.

[Ian David]

46. Could this be the Dem strategy?

Rice is the rope they are handing Bush with which to hang himself?

[buzzard]

50. My thoughts exactly, but then who cares when you plan on invading

in any case. WMD, just another fact to sweep under the rug.

[robbedvoter]

47. I've been to Walter Reed, I know of loss of life" - kompassionate Condi

[paineinthearse]

48. WTF is Kerry?

Is he on another trip?

[KoKo]

49. Condi is the kind of person who when showed the truth refuses to believe

it. She's arrogant, has no feeling of responsibility to "We the People" her loyalty is to herself and her ideology and the Chimp. She's an arrogant, close minded narcissist and a pathological liar, imho.

She's really frightening....like the rest of them in this administration. They admit no mistakes and are so confident of their power that I don't think anything will ever bring them down.

That's a hard fact to deal with. How do we Dems have a chance to get these people out? How? I could see Condi at the Nuremburg Trails where she would say: "We did this for the Fatherland." :scared:

[CWebster]

52. Allegiance to the master nt

[CWebster]

54. This idiot from Fla now playing

for his Cuban and Jewish constituencies for his own career.

[KoKo]

53. Sen. Nelson going after Chavez about oil....hmmm...

There's a split among Dems on the Committe about Chavez. Dodd and Chaffee support him...Nelson needs favors from Condi and seems to be with the Repug.

[HootieMcBoob]

74. God forbid Venezuela's oil revenues go to the people of Venezuela

and not multinational oil corporations. If we can't be in total control of every country's national resources it's a national security issue.

[CWebster]

87. Bingo! nt

[TahitiNut]

92. Corporatists are stuck in the 'Standard Oil' days - pre-Aramco, even.

The days when Standard Oil owned the national resources of entire nations (colonies), and raped those peoples' resources for the creation of several privileged families' multi-generational fortunes.

[charlie]

101. China aggressively pursuing long-term contracts

for every stray barrel of oil is also making them shit green. I'm sure Chavez would be delighted to have China as prime customer and patron to keep the US off his back.

[TahitiNut]

141. China has to find ways to SPEND all the dollars we send them.

The US trade imbalance with China is staggering - $124,068,200,000 in 2003 alone! That's $124 billion that China has to find a way to spend, either by buying up US assets (Pebble Beach? Arizona? T-Bills?) or by buying commodities like oil on the global market. Maybe they should spend that money on Russian nukes?


If we want to blame someone, we can blame Wal*Mart and the 'supply-side' Enronomics beneficiaries who take that money to other countries.


Just for grins, consider the second largest trade imbalance: $66,032,400,000 with Japan ... only about half the size. (Canada is third.)

[charlie]

142. They'd better spend it quick

Bubblehead told WaPo last week that one of his goals for the next term was to ensure that the values of world currencies were determined by "market forces." There goes the dollar. And if dimwit manages to stoke up inflationary fires on the homefront, they won't be getting Pebble Beach at a firesale price. Christ, what a mess.

[CWebster]

51. "I don't remember"

thar she blows...

How can they blame intel, when they manipulated intel to suit their aims.

What kind of precedent does it set if some country wants to invade another and then claim the manipulated intel supports it?

[Guaranteed]

55. Really great comments by Obama. nt

[robbedvoter]

56. Obama - we want you to succeed - trust us, please!

[Guaranteed]

57. He's making a really great point, here.

This is a very subtle way of impugning someone's character.

[beam me up scottie]

61. LOL ! Where did you get that emoticon?

n/t

[coffeenap]

58. Obama--gently but strongy saying they ask us to accept on faith

but that his job is to have facts. Are you willing to tell * things he doesn't want to hear? "Dissenting views have a difficult time getting a hearing." Asks her to show independence, not taking the admin. line.

[pdxmom]

59. What she's responding to him is

that she'll still walk in lockstep with Bush. Bush is her daddy and she's sticking with that.

[coffeenap]

60. of course--was there ever really a question??nt

[CWebster]

62. Is it Joe's turn again?

I wish he would quit blowing hot air.

The Iraqi police force is just a proxy force for the US. The "insurgency" is Iraqis against the US and it's proxy force.

There are no jobs for Iraqis and they have to be bribed repeatedly.


Shut up, Joe.

[Ian David]

63. Biden: His best remark yet

"And for God's sake, don't listen to Rumsfeld. He doesn't know what he's talking about!"

He's still going to vote to confirm this lying sack of shit?

[robbedvoter]

67. Yeah, cuz Condi is so much smarter and gooder than Rummy!

[CWebster]

76. Boxer isn't

She walks the walk.

[CWebster]

83. Why does Kerry believe that other countries would be willing

to financially support an Invasion they were against?

[pdxmom]

66. But he got in a good blatant jab at Rummy

Saying that Rummy doesn't know what he's talking about and telling Condi to not listen to him was pretty good.

[PennyK]

64. Go Joe!

"And DON'T listen to Rumsfeld on this (number of trained Iraqi police)...he doesn't know what he's talking about!!!" Laughter ensues

[Mist]

65. Biden: Tell us the truth about troop replacement

Biden: "And for God's sake, don't ask Rumsfeld; he doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about." Biden is repeating some of Boxer's points--since he's voting for CondiLIESa, maybe he's following the "hand them enough rope" idea others here have mentioned. Was surprised to hear him go off on Rummy that way; a signal that Rummy's days are numbered?

[pdxmom]

68. Wouldn't you love to see how Rummy is reacting to that?

n/t

[NGU]

69. I agree

I found his comment about Rummy interesting. Hopefully, he knows something we don't about what will happen soon.

[beam me up scottie]

71. So fucking awesome-I will save that clip and play it over and over and...

[Kolesar]

99. "don't ask Rumsfeld; he doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about"

I am only getting this through DU, not Cspan. It's great that Biden said that!

[robbedvoter]

70. Big hug with Biden, shake hands with all, lovefest - circus over

:puke:

[paineinthearse]

73. Predict the committee vote

I predict Barbara Boxes will cast the only "nae" vote. All the other democrats lack her balls and will vote to confirm.

[Ian David]

77. What's 10 inches long and hangs between Joe Biden's legs?

Condi Rice's scarf.

[paineinthearse]

94. camouflage-chic condi

Condi Rice tries to dress in post-Iraq War camouflage-chic, but ends up looking like a panda-hugging environmentalist

[fob]

126. It's that smug smile that covers the "I know I'M not going to be in harms

way, but these chumps behind me sure are in for a surprise" thought in her pea-brained head that gives me the fucking willies!

[charlie]

81. Feingold will almost certainly vote yea

He believes a president is entitled to the cabinet he wants. If Ashcroft couldn't shake that conviction, Condi probably won't.

[TahitiNut]

82. Kerry's voting 'No' - good for John.

[paineinthearse]

85. I was wrong

Kerry will also vote "no".

[blueblitzkrieg]

78. Kerry is going to vote AGAINST CONDI????

do it john!!!!!!!!

[Guaranteed]

80. It's almost looking like it. nt

[Guaranteed]

84. HE'S NOT!! HE'S VOTING AGAINST HER!!!

WELL DONE, KERRY!!!

[Guaranteed]

79. KERRY MAKING A GREAT SPEECH. NT

[Spazito]

88. I agree and Whooo Hooo, he votes NO!!

WTG Kerry, this Canadian salutes you!!

[Ian David]

89. The staffer that answered Kerry's phone was thrilled with his vote

I called to thank him, and the lady on the phone was jubilant.

[Guaranteed]

90. That's awesome! I hope you told her

that there are an awful lot of people here who are also very proud of him!

[Ian David]

93. Yes, I did

And I told her to ask Kerry to kick Biden in the balls if he can find any.

[chiffon]

86. John Kerry ..."It will have to be without my vote" NAY!!!

Edit for spelling

[KoKo]

91. Good for him! I wonder how Chafee will vote. If we could get three it

would be a beginning of a "Resistence." ..If only Biden had come through..but he's too used to working with them and getting some crumbs from their table like being invited to go to Libya on their behalf..

But, this is a good start..two, so far.

[Malva Zebrina]

95. It is a testimony to the corruption that pervades our government

when a proven liar, a jingo speaking woman who drove this country, along with her boss, into an illegal war, and who continues to lie about it, without any sense of conscience, understanding, or even a hint of any independant thought above that which is the required talking points in this fascist administration.

That these men and women, save a few truth seekers like the brave Barbara Boxer, would affirm her specious methods, in total denial of the thousands of human lives that have been snuffed out by her and her boss , as if they were mere collateral damage, tells me something very bad about our system and the people in it.

We have, with this appointment virtually lost the ability to challenge George Bush on his motives for lying to his own people many times, in order to invade, occupy and murder in Iraq to his pleasure, and not to mention Abu Ghraib. What they will do is seal those arguments and file them away. When Iran is invaded it will all be "legal", you can be sure. You have seen the future SOS in all her ability to lie to hide the truth and to establish memes, and she does so with practiced skill.

The only resource left, is for the people to rise up and revolt against the entire, corrupted system. Something is rotten in the state of America.

[CWebster]

96. Historically, it takes some bad hurt for that to happen.

Great posts though.

[beam me up scottie]

100. Unreal, that she said she believes that all the of

soldiers and marines died for a just cause.
They died for a LIE.
Period.

[Supersedeas]

103. Well said Malva....thus, you are not alone in thinking that way.

[blueblitzkrieg]

97. Dodd is voting yes

boo to him

[robbedvoter]

98. He did so with Ashcroft too.

[KoKo]

102. I know....like Biden he's able to work with them and get some crumbs

from the table. Still, he asked good questions and seems to support Chavez which is contrary to the Administrations wishes...

[Supersedeas]

106. with all of his posturing yesterday....it is the Wrong vote and he should

be held accountable.

[realFedUp]

104. 56% of Americans say invading Iraq was a mistake

These Senators ought to look at the numbers
and the excuses from this administration that
led us into it.

[robbedvoter]

130. Who cares what we think? It's not like we have a vote in anything.

And thus it shows - why the right to vote is the pillar of a democracy. remove that, all turns to shit. Fast.

[realFedUp]

105. WTF is Biden saying?

He's usually all over the map...what a loose cannon.

[beam me up scottie]

113. HE'S VOTING YES?????????

n/t

[loritooker]

107. Is there anybody Joe Biden doesn't like? ; ) Go Joe! n/t

[loritooker]

110. Argggggggg! He vote FOR. What a surprise....not.

[selmo7]

108. Biden: BLOWS hypocricy of the neocon premise

GO JOE!!!!

[blondeatlast]

109. Does anyone know where we can get a record of the vote?

I can't find one with my Google, maybe a smarter DUer can help?

Edit: I can't get a stream at my location, so I'm really hoping for an oft-updated record.

[selmo7]

112. They're voting now -

[charlie]

115. Just subtract Boxer and Kerry n/t

[digno dave]

111. Biden is going to "pray to the Lord" that Rice tells Body Bag the truth

These are his grounds for a yea vote???

[beam me up scottie]

121. The whole world better pray now.

[blondeatlast]

124. You got that right.

God, a major eff-up as SoS?

Have mercy on our souls, most didn't vote for him.

Amen.

[selmo7]

122. Biden likened the confirmation of 2nd B*sh administration

appointees to a second marriage.

Does anyone go into a second marriage merely based on HOPE rather than experience and with all kinds of troubling doubts?

Not a great metaphor when the courtship has sucked and is based on lots of lies and contrivances.

Bleeeeaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

Can we say our Congress is like a big DYSFUNCTIONAL family?

[loritooker]

114. Only Kerry and Boxer voted NO.

[blondeatlast]

117. Seriously?

I'm both sick about that and very proud of the both of them.

[Synnical]

119. Did I hear a bit of a buzz

In the chamber when Kerry voted no?

[Quixote1818]

120. Doesn't the rest of the Senate vote now?

[realFedUp]

127. They voted 16 yes, 2 no

Of course all the Republicans got in their little
line, faces shining, palms up for PAC and pork.

[Quixote1818]

132. Yes, but is that the end or does the full Senate vote now?

[charlie]

133. Yes, it goes to the full Senate n/t

[realFedUp]

139. How long will Democrats continue to hold their ankles?

Except for a couple of Senators in safe seats,
what does it take to call this administration
on their crimes? The Bushies should be in
front of an international court, not sucking on
the inaugural caviar.

Does it take a nuclear bomb going off to
finally vote no? 100,000 plus citizens,
1376 dead Americans, thousands of wounded
not enough for your vote of no more of
this shit?

Blood on your hands folks.

[Mist]

116. Biden is running on and on but

He makes some good points. Wants a plan--makes the point that this admin. seems to operate on wishful thinking, an when things don't turn out they way the admin. thinks they should, they just keep on hoping (I'm paraphrasing). Makes the point over and over that admin. needs to be more open w/Am. public, and start developing PLANS for what they want to do. Biden all but saying that as an old hand, he'll vote to confirm (as respect to the Pres. being able to choose his cabinet), but he wants some accountability to Congress and the Am. people.

Boxer and Kerry were cogent about why they won't vote to confirm Rice--in a nutshell, she's got lousy judgement and "isn't forthcoming." (Politcal-ese for "she's a liar!")

[nickinSTL]

125. I just don't get the whole

letting the Pres. choose the Cabinet bs.

The SoS represents the country and the people to the rest of the world. Why should we have to have an incompetent liar in the position...just because 'the Pres should be able to choose his own Cabinet?'

What a load of crap.

(I know, even if all the Dems voted against, she'd still get through...)

[Mist]

140. I don't like it either

Too many appointed positions skews the gov't to people who have no sense of accountability to the public - as the rabid neo-cons in our gov't are proving. The appointed positions thing is definately a big weak spot in our form of gov't.

[norml]

118. "Hey Boss! You got to read a little history."

Unfortunately the Boss is not part of the reality based community, nor is he much for reading anything reality based.

[selmo7]

131. Question about yesterday's coverage

RE: Boxer vs. Rice
I watched the on-line Cspan stream and read the transcript.
WHY was the first part of Boxer's talk cut off?
an accident????
Anyone know where Boxer's full piece is available to view?
the crooksandliars doesn't have the whole thing either.

thanks!

[realFedUp]

123. This administration should be in front of an international court....

NOT being confirmed for higher office.

Can we do a class action suit since our
"representatives" aren't doing their jobs.

[selmo7]

128. except we're getting those caps on

the class action suits, rememba?
:eyes:

[beam me up scottie]

129. I knew she was going to be confirmed but I cannot

wrap my mind around it. Between today and tomorrow I will need some serious drugs to stay sane.
My brother is going to iraq and he has this administration to thank. How can america allow this to happen?
If there is a revolution, you can count me in-because nothing, and I do mean nothing else will stop them now.

[blondeatlast]

134. My thoughts and prayers to your brother and to you.

I wish I could tell you more to make you feel better, but I just can't think of anything right now.

I'm so sorry, my friend.

[beam me up scottie]

136. Thanks, it helps more than you know.

n/t

[selmo7]

135. How can America allow this to happen?

It is beyond heartbreaking. It is beyond words the level of cruelty and inhumanity.

I am SO SO SORRY! May Light shine on this darkness; may Light shine on our brokenness. The only thing that has kept me somewhat sane is the belief that we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

[beam me up scottie]

137. Thank you.

Trust me, all of you DUer's are what keep me from doing something stupid.

[blondeatlast]

138. We need you in '06, guy!

Not just the vote, but the door-knocking, on the phone, whatever dough you can spare.

Your brother needs you too, to do the same things.