Obama: "All of us are rooting for your success" - the admin success"

[robbedvoter]

:puke:
he IS the future of the party.:nuke:

[RubyDuby in GA]

1. I think Cheney must have slipped him something at their breakfast

At least, I'm hoping that's whats come over him...

[BR_Parkway]

2. guess it depends on what we would call success

I would rather hope for a successful withdraw from Iraq, successful non-dismantling of civil rights or the safety nets.

[wndycty]

3. Simple...Condi fails, the administration fails. . .the US fails. . .

. . .none of us should be rooting of this country to fail. Of course there will be those of you who take issue with what Obama said and my defense of him. But think about it, have we gotten so god damned partisan that are rooting for our country to fail.

I don't believe in the Bush agenda, nor do I support it, hopefully they will change it, however we are stuck with him for the next for years (or until an impeachment) and I don't want to see this country fail.

[buydonkey]

11. I agree

Disagreeing with someone who's essentially saying that they're rooting for the success of America really isn't a good idea.

I hope Bush is completely successful in making this world a better place. I have zero expectation that he will, but I'm not going to root for everything to turn to crap.

[AverageJoe]

20. So much has already turned to crap

Bush's "success" equals pain and disaster for millions in the United States and billions around the world.

Good grief. If Bush were to be called on his crimes and foul-ups and ushered out of office, the U.S. wouldn't fail, it would be made stronger.

I must repeat myself: Good grief.

[Catchawave]

29. I agree buydonkey, success means

Americans succeeding, I won't wish for Bush failure or heaven help us all !

What the dems are doing is letting Bush know we're not stupid and we're on to his deceptions and we're on his ass now. I'm a rabid liberal, but I wouldn't wish harm on my country based on hating the administration.

[Lerkfish]

46. um...its a little late to hope that things won't turn to crap...

have you peeked your head up out of your burrow lately?

[ThorsHammer]

17. Well said

For better or worse, Bush represents us, and I hope he succeeds in that role. I don't want the country to fail simply for the sake of partisan politics either.

[robbedvoter]

25. FAIL AT WHAT? conquering the world? Emptying your pockets?

Fowling the planet? Is ANYTHING more important to you than your favorite politicians?

[Sweet Pea]

57. Fowling the planet?

hehehe.....sorry....just gave me an image of fowl creatures everywhere :)

[moggie12]

44. well said, let's keep some perspective here!! n/t

[DrWeird]

74. administration succeeds = US fails

This administration is a greater threat to the country that Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, Iran, or anything else.

[sniffa]

4. cereaL Lovers on eagLe's crest hang Low

[itzamirakul]

5. OH, God...I missed this...

what is the occasion? the context of this quote?

[robbedvoter]

14. "I want to make a comment - I want you to succeed, I want this admin

to succeed - we all do. I understand you didn't answer the torture questions - you needed wiggle room. But Please, trust us - be a little independent (like the great Powell was) and give us the facts - we'll approve anything, I promise! I wish you the best of luck in screwing us all"
Condi answers by telling him how "independent" she is, how she tells the Chimp what she things (but chimp not always listens".
All's well, kids! Obama converted Condi. She's our friend now!

[Larkspur]

6. That depends on how Obama defines success for Bush

Bush defines success catastophically, so I don't know if Obama is agreeing to that definition or one where Obama defines success as bringing peace and democracy to Iraq, that is the real thing, not the delusions of the Neocons.

[JI7]

7. delete

[Pirate Smile]

8. Would you rather he say we hope everything you do is a complete

disaster and many of our soldiers get killed in the process? He is being responsible.

[ladjf]

16. Couldn't he have been "responsible" without being their

cheerleader? Sounds a bit like the old Democrats to me, i.e. Biden,
Byah and other weasels.

[CTLawGuy]

60. he can BE SILENT on the issue instead...

NT

[springhill]

71. No..........

Because success for this administration is failure for the rest of us. Don't you get that?

[Guaranteed]

9. You should really listen closer to what he's saying. nt

[robbedvoter]

21. I do. begging her to be more like Powell? WTF?

:wtf:

[Dinger]

10. My Comments On Obama

"We wish you well."
"Nobody on this confirmation panel doesn't want this administration to succeed."
He's talking about his constituents being told to trust the bu$h administration, and Powell being an independent voice, and wanting her to be a mouthpiece of this "administration."
Seemed a little bit kiss-assy to me. What did you think?

[robbedvoter]

23. IS test tube Powell an independent voice?

[Darkhawk32]

36. He's a rookie Senator....

He's not going to make waves.... at least not for a couple of years.

[Benhurst]

12. She is a WAR CRIMINAL. Wish her luck? No way! NT

[skylarmae]

59. I agree - there are a whole lot of war criminals in this administration

and the whole world knows it and at the first chance any one of our enemies get, they will put some of our people of trial and what will the georgie porgie lovers do then??? They are censoring so much of the information we get at this point, God only knows what they are really doing in our name and in the name of Jesus.

[HootieMcBoob]

13. What do you expect him to say?

We all expect you to fall flat on your face? Obama is all about optimism. He has to say that. Then when they fuck up royally, which we know they will, he will have the all clear to call them on their incompetence. Obama is going to be good but from what I've seen he's not going to allow himself to be a lightening rod. It looks to me as if he knows what his potential is and he's going to be very pragmatic as he works his way up.

[robbedvoter]

18. STFU may be a better option here (for Obama, not you)

[Supersedeas]

52. I agree....silence may have been a more powerful alternative

accompanied by a simple No Vote

[CWebster]

15. smooth operator

good lawyer approach.

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. I guess that depends on what his definition of "success" is?

I am not "rooting" for what I know the Chimp's definition of success to be, and I would hope that the Senator isn't either?

[Al-CIAda]

22. Dissapointing. -eom

[DaDeacon]

24. hmmm seems like a guttless "just glad to be here" Dem !!!! n/t

[cindyw]

26. Your right, I was really hoping that Condi would do a really bad job and

we could have a whole lot more wars.

:eyes:

He specifically was saying that while we disagree we hope for their success because their failure means the failure of the US. I mean jesus H Christ, how can we expect anyone to do well if we throw misunderstand their meaning.

[Benhurst]

28. Success for Condi is defined by the PNAC. I wish her no success

at all in carrying out that agenda -- and neither should Obama or any other person who is not part of the conspiracy.

[cindyw]

37. It is a serious mischaracterization of what he was referring to, to

suggest that he was referring to PNAC. He was speaking to the general idea of her success as the Chief Diplomat. ANYONE who loves peace should hope for her success in that manner. The job description of SOS does not change because Condi embraces PNAC. In fact embracing PNAC would in essense be a failure of her position. So give me a god damn break, Obama was not referring to that.

[Benhurst]

41. Anyone who loves peace should know by now that a fascist such

as Condoleezza Rice who embraces the agenda of the PNAC is not going to work for peace.

Give me a break. And if he votes to confirm her as Secretary of State, he will be enabling her and the whole gang of neo-con thugs.

[cindyw]

51. If you think Obama was wishing her success on PNAC, then this

conversation can go no further, because your making up a reality that does not exist.

[Benhurst]

53. If he is going to be a successful opponent to this administration's

disgraceful and immoral foreign policy, then he needs to hone his message more carefully. Whatever his view, and I trust you are right in his not supporting PNAC, the MSM will pick up his wishing her success and use it against us.

His vote will be telling.

[cindyw]

54. Alright we'll see.

[Benhurst]

56. Well, we've just seen. No worse, but no better than the majority

of our weak-kneed Democratic Senators. Three cheers for Boxer and Kerry!

[cindyw]

62. I second the 3 cheers and I am disapointed in Obama's vote, but

I still say that Obama was not expressing support for PNAC.

[Benhurst]

64. I agree with you; but effectively that was how it will be played by

the MSM. The clip of those remarks will be used by the MSM and others who support PNAC.

His vote, however, gives tacit approval of her and her positions. As a native of Illinois and a contributer, I feel betrayed. I was hoping he would be another John Conyers; but, to be fair, there aren't many of those to go around.

A most disappointing debut, especially following so closely his disgraceful vote on the certification of the Ohio electors. As an African American, he would have taken no political heat for voting for what was right, especially in his home state of Illinois which just elected him. How could he, or any other decent American, certify what went on in Ohio?

It's a sad day when our Democratic representatives refuse to take a stand on war crimes or even the right of every American citizen to have his or her vote counted.

[izzybeans]

27. I'm not sure if people here actually pay attention to what he says

It seems they just get angry for him not saying what they want to hear. yesterday people disparaged him for not going at her like Boxer. However, I disagree. The tactic was different. If you think this committee doesn't already know each other's questions, your wrong. Boxer came from the outside showing the contradictions made in public. Obama yesterday attacked from the inside on the illogical conflation of "tyranny and terror" which underlies their shifting public justifications for the war. He then went on to conclude that under their logic we would seem more justified on the world stage to have intervened in the Sudan and Rwanda as well as Saudi Arabia. In the end her ineptitude and lack of foresight came threw more strongly than in other settings. Boxer made her look like a liar and Obama made her look nearly as stupid as Bush. I thought it was great. Both Obama and Boxer pretty much got her to confirm our suspicions that this was the plan all along since his first inauguration. The only thin thread left is the link to 9/11. Obama destroyed it by demonstrating their confusing the terms terror with tyranny (Saddam with Osama). That thin thread looks mighty racist and anti-African since the Sudanese and Rwandan genocides had been ignored in favor of a lie.

But taken together, even with Lugar, you see a pretty coherent attack on admin policies that back up pretty much everything John Kerry said during his campaign. He didn't have to be THE one to do so, neither did Obama, they did it as a committee collectively. And their still doing it as we speak.

If you want to critique someone you'd be better served writing to the MSM who are hiding what is really going on here. Give the committee more visibility and they will do what they know is right and vote to block her nomination. Don't, and they have no political capital to spend on a no vote. Boxer maybe the only one, the MSM has already framed her as a kook.

[robbedvoter]

35. "backs up everything kerry said" - all righty then.

I thought it was about exposing a criminal with blood on her hands.
My mistake. It was about Kerry all along. Again.

[izzybeans]

39. What?

That's a pretty assinine thing to say. I'm with you on the point about war criminals. I just however feel that paying closer attention to the proceedings would tell that the dems did paint such a picture as a whole. Boxer was just the bad cop in a orchestrated affair. I made that Kerry statement in passing. I really don't care. I wasn't a Kerry supporter until he won the nomination. I'm dissapointed in him standing down after claiming he was reporting for duty. I just really find this thread a disgrace and all like it.

There's nothing more shortsighted than fracturing yourself from allies. That's what is being done here. One week into someone's term and the reactionaries are out in full force. It's counterproductive and based on unreasonable demands.

[kslib]

55. Woohoo!

Boxer/Obama 2008!

:party:

[adigal]

73. I hope not

I was seriously disappointed in him the last 2 days. He is polite and soft-spoken, does not get anyone riled up, but if being "purple" means giving the US "torture girl" as our public face, then I will be proudly "Blue."

[stray cat]

30. I hope our soldiers get killed in Iraq and civil war breaks out.

Iran should get nuclear weapons and sell them to Al Queda. It would be really good if they smuggled a dirty bomb into new york and it goes off.

Maybe some of us really do hate Americans and the world as much as the conservatives claim.

As much as I hate this administration, I too wish them success because the alternatives are much worse.

[AverageJoe]

31. I mean no disrespect to you

But that line of reasoning is faulty.

Are you suggesting that only Bush and his hand-picked goons can make America safe?

Throw out the bunch of them, that's the only reasonable alternative.

Not trying to pick a fight, but appeasement is a failed strategy. Just ask Neville Chamberlain....

[theboss]

42. Bush and his hand-picked goons are in charge

So, yes, we pretty much have to count on them to make us safe. It's not a pretty picture, but what is the alternative?

[AverageJoe]

43. Impeach them and send them to jail

A nice start would be calling them on their crimes and refusing to endorse their policies.

[theboss]

48. Ok...and how do you do that with a Republican-controlled House and Senate?

You might as well say, train special attack badgers to take over the White House. It's just as likely a scenario.

[AverageJoe]

50. Nothing good will happen if we shrug our shoulders and say

"Bush is the man, let's support him and wish him well," which seems to be the message that you are sending out.

If the Democrats would rage against the very real and demonstrable crimes of the Bush junta, then perhaps public support would swell for their cause. Remember, this is a highly divided nation. Many, many of us think that the "president" of the United States is illegitimate, crooked and dumb. We also feel powerless and betrayed because "our" people in Washington fail to work for Bush's failure.

Even if we can't win, it doesn't mean we should give up and make things easy for our phony "president."

[robbedvoter]

45. So then, kissing ass is required? Would that make Condi more

competent? W give a damn? really?

[cindyw]

72. Join the world of reality. Short of a full scale civil war or armed

revolution Bush will serve at least the next 3 years.

Why would it be appeasement to say you hope they do a good job when there is no alternative. And also, why does good job = Successful PNAC agenda.

I define good job as accomplishing what is good for America. Just because we have no hope they will do a good job, does not mean that Obama shouldn't offer rhetorical hope for our country. Notice I said hope for country and not for Bush agenda.

[robbedvoter]

32. What a phony dilemma! Who started the war/aggravated the risk?

It's like saying: "I hope the thug cutting my neck right now is really good with his knife so I die fast.

[izzybeans]

38. Considering that Bush is the one

with his finger currently on the buttons. I think we should all hope things go better. The faulty scenario is assuming our hopes for impeachment come true and regime change occurs before 2008. Until then, I hope they do better. doing better could mean a whole lot of things. I hope they pull out turn over the whole country to Iraqi citizens get their hands off the ballot box, pull their bases back from sacred lands, and start off in good faith negotiating a settlement with the Palestinians.

I am one who didn't get all worked up by such a meaningless and formalized deference made to all nominees. The fascists in the 90's did the same to Clinton when they were about to fabricate their charges.

[robbedvoter]

47. Dear, one can only push a button one way. there's no "better"

How abject can you be?

[izzybeans]

49. Define abject.

Boxer gave the same deference, different words. Why the selective hearing?
On edit:

ummm. I believe I left the matter open ended. No "better" kind of leaves things at a stalemate don't you think. I defined my "better". What's yours? Did Obama define his? I thought his questioning did that for him. It'd be better to attend to problems in the Sudan.

[dogman]

33. I believe he is the future of the party.

He is new to the game. The score is already been run up against the home team. He can not spend time debating what has happened as much as what we need to do. His situation reminds me of the position Clark was in following the Afghan War. He has to acknowledge the situation is at hand and hope for a successful resolution, of course this leaves open what the definition of success is. He set a standard for her to meet and this gives him a starting point to guage her by. I do wish he would vote no but I believe Boxer is the only one who will.

[dogman]

58. BTW, I did e-mail him to express my displeasure.

As his constituent I let him know that his vote was a disappointment.

[Jack Rabbit]

34. I appreciate Obama's sentiment

Broadly speaking, one would hope that any administration is successful at making America a better place.

On the other hand, hoping for that from the Bushies is like believing in Santa Claus.

[truebrit71]

40. Not what I wanted to hear....

And actually, Senator, NONE OF US are rooting for the success of the republicans or the current mis-administration...We want this country back, and out of their control...or didn't you get the memo??

You see, if they succeed, why would the electorate need YOU?

Very, very disappointing....

[PROGRESSIVE1]

61. The GOP did NOT say things like this when Clinton won.

They said they were going to represent those who DID NOT vote for Clinton! We Democrats should represent the 49.3% who DID NOT vote for Mr. Bush.

:eyes:

[LibDemAlways]

63. It's all depends on how you define success.

To the BFEE "success" is illegally invading more countries and causing the deaths of many more hundreds of thousands for oil and imperialism. "Success" is enriching corporate coffers while screwing the little guy. "Success" is tax cuts for the wealthy while the most needy are ignored and forgotten. "Success" is denying woman reproductive freedom. "Success" is filthy air and contaminated water.
"Success" is eliminating pell grants for college students and head start funds for pre-schoolers. "Success" is stacking our courts with rightwing judges who systematically strip Americans of their rights. "Success" is denying gay and lesbian Americans their constituitionally protected rights. "Success" is scaring the crap out of Americans with terror threats that make them more pliable and willing to surrender their freedoms. "Success" is rigging elections and getting away with it. "Success" is intimidating the opposition party until there is no meaningful opposition.

I know Obama is a new Senator, idealistic, and not inclined to rock the boat. But right now the stakes are too high and the implications of their "success" too horrendous to even contemplate.

In all of the above, I wish the BFEE nothing but complete, utter, and abject failure.

[tom_paine]

65. He could say nothing else

Of course, he and the Democrats are largely trapped in the Old Free America, they think that place still exists and they think they are up against another Party like them.

But, as Krugman says and as I have said much less eloquently long before I read Krugman, the Old Republic is dead and the Old Ways along with it.

The Dems will continue to reprise the role of the 1933 Social Democrats of Germany.

They won't it seems, reprise the role of Cicero standing (however tepidly and fruitlessly) against the Caesers.

Obama, speaking cluelessly as if he still was a Senator of the Old United States instead of an Imperial Senator of Amerika, said what thrity years ago would have been correct and proper.

But Imperial Amerika is a whole 'nuther ball of wax, and a whole 'nuther nation which is NOT a member of the Free World.

[Benhurst]

70. Thank you for saying what needs to be said.

:toast:

[seabeyond]

66. i dont know, i would like to see bush do something right in iraq

i would like to see the end of the war, the end of death for both u.s. soldier and iraqi people

i am rootin for success too, with little, ok no hope. keep doing same thing, with no change, gonna get same thing

i dont see why anyone would argue this one

[CWebster]

67. Obama was a disappointment and

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope it didn't come down to a black thang for him on some level, but that is another debate.

Kerry, however, was that long awaited stand at last. I hope.

[pdxmom]

68. I'm rooting for their success, too.

Because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate. Those things that this administration considers its successes have been bad. What would their failures be?

Of course, if you're defining it as political success, then I hope they crash and burn. The Repubs have got to be removed from power.

[hopein08]

69. I knew it was too good to be true... n/t

[justy329]

75. Of course we are rooting for success.

Don't you want the Bush Adminstration to be successful for the sake of or young men and women overseas?
While we all agree that a Kerry Administration would have been 100X more competent and more likely to do well in the world and at home, we must face the facts and realize that Bush is President. :scared:
I know we all want Bush to be seen as one of the worst in history. However, that doesn't mean we should root for the Iraqis insurgenents to kill our troops.
Geesh, what should he have said?!

[CWebster]

76. What the hell is "success"?

Is that like "winning" in Viet Nam?

Or, was he talking about her own personal success as a Black woman? If so, someone needs to tell Sen. Obama that she ain't no Maxine Waters.

[justy329]

77. Success=

A speedy and safe end to the conflict in Iraq.
Making sure that the Bush Administration prevent any terrorist attack.
Re-establishing dipolomacy abroad.

Look, we all hate the fact that the Bush administration is still in power. But, it's time we end the denial. Bush is our President. Cheney is our VP. Condi will be Sec. of State. While we oppose their agenda, as AMERICANS we must hope for a safe and prosperous nation.

My goodness, no wonder the RW accuses us of not loving our country!!

[CWebster]

78. You mean like

liberating the Iraqis? Or "making the world safe for Democracy" or any of the other buzz words we use to profess our honorable intent?

Not loving our Country would be not caring when it doesn't live up to it's promises and promotes exposed liars and criminals like Good Germans putting their faith in fascists.

[cestpaspossible]

79. I wont criticize his rhetoric, but his vote.

Biden, Dodd, Feingold, Nelson, Obama and Sarbanes were wrong. Rice is not qualified to be Secretary of State, she has a record of failure and mendacity. And she certainly shouldn't be fourth in the line of succession to the Presidency.

[mvd]

80. Let's give Obama some more time

I think he should have stood with the Black Caucus on the Ohio protest. A bonus (not as important) would have been to vote against confirming Condi. But he does have a good past record in Illinois, and has barely spent any time in Congress. The fact that he's so new is an excuse IMO. Once he's a force, maybe he'll be bolder.

Also, all Americans should want America to succeed - we just know it won't under the Bush Crime Family.