Is there an "underground" at Democratic Underground ?

[kentuck]

I feel I must go there. There are important matters to discuss. It's about dictatorships, tyranny, freedom of the press, liberty, and fear and intimidation. Is it safe to discuss so openly any more? Seriously...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

1. DU is 4 years old today... Happy Birthday!

although not the happiest occasion. :(

and regarding your question: I think the only problem here is flame wars amongst ourselves. The table seems quite wide open on all issues, and I think we as are as free as possible to discuss.

[aden_nak]

2. No, we have slab-on-grey.

*wonders if anyone will get that joke*

[fob]

39. Do you mean Slab-on-GRADE? As opposed to a crawl-space

foundation or basement foundation?

If so, then I get it, if not then :shrug:

[txaslftist]

46. It's gotta be pier and beam...

It's so friggin unstable, man.

[txaslftist]

49. Sheesh, I didn't even think of wheels....

DU might just be a mobile.

[Pachamama]

3. I've thought about that too...in a way, there is, folks that have been on

DU awhile have recognized this and offline take a lot of discussions with folks that they know and trust after a long time....I think that having this and a way to "communicate" in the future non-publicly is going to be necessary...

I'm serious too....

[skylarmae]

4. if you find out - please let me know.

I've been worried about this too. Sometimes I don't say all I feel just in case we are being monitored.

[beam me up scottie]

5. I wonder too...

My dad is worried about me because of all the "listening" (spying) that the gov't is doing on dissidents.
I'm sure I'm on all kinds of lists already.

[Nordmadr]

6. I have wondered the same thing myself

Yesterday I posted in a thread where the question was "How do you define underground"? Oddly enough, after posting my answer, and giving a half joking "Long Live the Resistance"! comment, I felt somewhat uneasy about my openess, suddenly very aware of the fragility of my right to voice my opinions freely.

[Bzzzz]

27. I had a repuke...

on a local community message board yesterday, threaten a couple of us because we brought up the subject of a civil war...:mad:

[ClassWarrior]

7. Oh sure, more fear mongering.

Just what we need.

NGU.

[Divernan]

12. I note you don't have a profile on yourself.

I usually censor what I say, unless I'm REALLY offended by something and just blast away.

[ClassWarrior]

21. I note that neither do you.

NGU.

[HeeBGBz]

8. That may be necessary

At the very least, we should have a way to get keep in touch in the event of a serious electronic communication breakdown.

[T Town Jake]

9. Oh, there's an "underground" at DU alright...

...but it's not what you make it out to be. It's made up of a small coterie of cliques who PM gossip to each other and think they're being clever with innuendos in threads, like they were back in junior high or elementary school.

The vast majority of us, however, are mature adults who speak plainly our thoughts and beliefs openly on the board like grown men & women.

[coffeenap]

20. oh good, I want to hang out with the really cool adults n/t

[ClassWarrior]

32. You neglect to mention the roving hoards of Free Republique denizens...

...who come here in droves and never have a good thing to say about Democrats, Progressive values, the Democratic Party, Skinner, mom, or apple pie. Thank God for mature adults like you who speak plainly your thoughts and beliefs openly on the board like a grown man and/or woman.

NGU.

[T Town Jake]

35. You're welcome.

(n/t)

[ClassWarrior]

38. I actually thanked God, not you, but who's counting?

:7

:toast:

NGU.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

53. LOL, I know of one poster who fits that bill to a T...I always picture him

slaving away at the computer in his mom's basement, wanting so bad for his sarcasm to be perceived as funny and cool instead of lame and desperate...I didn't know there were groups of these folks PM'ing each other, though. How funny! MKJ

[AverageJoe]

10. I'm with you, Kentuck

It's frightening to think that in America we need to be afraid of what we say, but I guess I am.

No doubt DU is constantly watched--Hi there, FBI!--and in these Patriot Act days, I simply don't feel safe.

[MuseRider]

11. I wonder too

and not because I am worried, although we would be stupid not to worry. I wonder because I hate to be left out :cry: Seriously, things could get much worse and I do think we would be held accountable for anything we have ever said or written. Soooooo, it is too late now for many of us. I am in a rental truck at the moment and I know that many times there are devices in vehicles that record things like your speed etc. It does not have On Star but I have heard that On Star can listen in, I don't know. However, coming home from the farm this morning I was listening to the inauguration :puke: out of morbid curiosity and said some things that probably should never have been said out loud and made myself a little worried. It is nothing I am sure but the game is already over for many of us who have put our thoughts and feelings on a public board so why stop now?

[E_Smith]

R U serious? n/t

[MuseRider]

16. About? n/t

[E_Smith]

19. well for starters

you think the On-Star in your rental truck might be a bug. sounds a little paranoid is all.

[MuseRider]

23. You did not read carefully.

This is what I said. "It does not have On Star but I have heard that On Star can listen in, I don't know." I have heard that but I don't know, just what I said. If you are not a little paranoid you must be new to this or you have not paid a lot of attention. I am not trying to insult but not being a little paranoid after being told by the Powers That Be that we should watch what we say would be naive. Also, you have no idea what I did say.

[E_Smith]

29. when were you told that? n/t

[MuseRider]

34. Ari Fleisher

and I can't tell you when (post 9/11 doncha know) and I do not save a lot of the things I should but it is here somewhere and perhaps someone will be kind enough to provide it. Other than that, you could look for it here or other places but he told the American Public that and I, for one, took that to be a very serious moment for this country. Don't you think if they could they would shut us down now? None of those in power at the moment want to hear anything but praise and adoration and will not accept that any other ideology has any merit. Why did they Boo Kerry today as he walked in? No class is part of the reason but I would wager it is more of the same old "with us or against us" crap.

[lyonn]

41. gotta laugh

"Also, you have no idea what I did say."

[MuseRider]

44. I am not

turning into that quiet, sweet old lady I had always hoped to be.....but this is far more exciting. :shrug:

[RandomKoolzip]

25. And what POSSIBLE reason would liberals have to be paranoid, eh?

I mean, they have it so good, you know? And it's not like our more outspoken leaders keep getting killed under myserious circumstances or anything, right? And it's not as if the * administration is busy trying to curtail our civil liberties, correct? And, during Clinton's term, remember how the gubmint came and took away all our guns, instituted the NEW WORLD ORDER, flew all those black helicpoters around, Hillary herself murdered a whole bunch of people using the services of the Arkansas state troopers, and they banned the bible?

Take a step back, and ask yourself: if you were in a liberal's shoes, would you feel paranoid? Hell, Grover Norquist says we should be.

[MuseRider]

36. RKZ

:hug: Well said and I say fuck Grover Norquist.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. I have Onstar in my vehicle. It came with it. How does Onstar listen in?

:wow: I've never used it. Accidently hit the on button on the steering wheel and a voice came over the speakers, freaked me out. I didn't respond and the voice said goodbye, really freaked me out! :silly:

[MuseRider]

37. I don't know that it does.

I just remember reading that. Who knows? There is so much info and disinfo these days that I take nothing for granted. Don't be freaked out by what I said, it was just something I read and that means about nothing these days.

[crispini]

50. Onstar is basically a cellphone, with some GPS.

Don't worry about it.

[Minstrel Boy]

13. The underground wing of the Democratic Underground.

It's where we don't close our eyes and imagine how great things will be in four years' time.

[coffeenap]

14. Well, I am new, but I don't want to be left out of the left.

Do I have to pass a litmus test to make it to the "in Crowd"? I thought this was the place to be. Damn.

[Cheswick2.0]

15. Yes, didn't anyone give you the link yet?

PM Skinner, maybe he will send you the link.

[coffeenap]

17. Do I need references??? geez

[DireStrike]

18. No. Absolutely not. Negative.

The soaring hawk seeks a meal. Penance for mine and ours. Obstruct and abstain.

-Q

[Nordmadr]

22. Well that is pretty damn criptic...

must be code!:D

[annabanana]

40. (coffee shower)......n/t

[bear425]

24. Let me know if you find out...

I'm very interested in participating in it.

[robbedvoter]

26. I remember posting Coronation reports on DU in 2001. I thought it was

a bit older...I guess I just happened here from day one then....

[JohnOneillsMemory]

28. We are living the info-war. COINTELPRO happened for a reason.

The CIA infiltrates the opposition in other countries to work against leaders they want to topple. So the CIA assumes the same tactic is used against them in this country.

That's why they participate covertly in their own opposition, to see who is there and what they are doing just in case they might actually be affective.

I'm positive DU has false-flag posters and is monitored closely as it becomes more affective in fighting propaganda with PROPER-GANDA.

That isn't fear-mongering. It is logic and common sense.

How you respond, whether you are chilled or fight back harder is up to you.

I say fight harder and smarter.

[coffeenap]

31. I agree--if we are not brave enough to speak,

will we be brave enough to act? If we mean what we say, then we need to say it out loud--even if it is dangerous. This is the US--and I will say what I want to where I want to.

[beam me up scottie]

42. Excellent point.

And I am NOT afraid. I always speak my mind and sign every petition that comes my way-with my real name and address. I think government monitoring is a reality and should not be dismissed as paranoia, IMHO.

[bigtree]

30. It's tough to discuss these things here openly

But that's where the battle lies, to try to convince and influence at least those who would associate themselves with our party. Anything less would be talking to ourselves, preaching to the choir.

[ArkDem]

43. No, we are in grave danger.

[Deb]

45. I'd like to think that there is

a place where all those important matters are still discussed by brilliant DUers. I miss reading those free thinking discussions because I learned so much.

[fob]

47. ... - - - ...

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

[txaslftist]

48. It's all here...

...right out in the open. Believe me, when the government decides that free speech needs to be curtailed, here is where they will start, but they haven't reached that point.

What they've discovered instead is that smothering free speech works better than choking it. Massive distorted disinformation is being fed to the sheople daily by FAUX News, Radio Hannicoulterbaugh, and even the BSM. For now this is a little corner of free speech they've decided to ignore.

Well, not ignore. Actually the intent is to marginalize. Post freely, and don't worry about who is reading it. By the time they get to tracking down names and computer users and all of that we'll be so far into totalitarianism that posting on DU will be the least of your worries.

[cestpaspossible]

51. WTF are you talking about?

Could you please explain the hidden meaning, if any, behind your post?

[ckramer]

52. underground means not yet in main stream, pioneers, harbingers