Great pro choice argument

[lessthanjake]

Ok well i have had a huge number of arguments with neocons on internet forums about abortion. Whereas on other issues they are easy to beat, its not so easy to beat them on this issue. They are so sure a couple of cells is a living organism. But i just came up with what i think is a GREAT argument agaisnt their view and ill share it.

Ok heres basically what i said to the guy on the forum i was arguing on.


"The embryo is living tissue, not a living organism. And its comparable in all ways to a blood transfusion. Think about it. Many cells with different DNA are in someone elses body, and dividing. It describes both instances. The blood cells with different DNA divide and grow to form blood tissue that is different than the other ones. It is NO different than the embryo in a womans body. But i think we can all agree that the separate blood isnt its own organism. And why is that? Well i think the most common answer would be that it cant go through life processes on its own. But wait neither can an embryo. Both of them need another organism to survive and grow. Therefore by scientific definition they both dont live up to the characteristics of life (one example is that they both cant go through homeostasis)."



In this way you can force a right winger to either say that blood tissue from a blood transfusion is actually a separate organism which is preposterous or force them to submit to your left wing superiority :)

[ohioliberal]

1. Great argument, I'll have to remember this

since I'm not that scientific.

[illflem]

2. Only problem with that

is after a certain period of time embryos can think and blood cells can't.

[lessthanjake]

3. Yes but

What they will become has nothing to do with their current state of being especially since they will only become that if another organism helps them through their life processes which they couldnt go through themselves.

[CAcyclist]

9. Lots of things *could* happen. If you cloned the blood cell

and it turned into a baby, it could think.

And a sperm if it implants into an egg that becomes an embryo that grows into a baby thus could think by that reasoning

There is no point in arguing a belief system.

The fact is, it's my body. If what's growing in me can't live without being physically attached to me, it's not an individual, it's part of my body and I have the right to my body. The future is irrelevant.

Anti-abortionists don't care about the baby. They want to control someone else because they are bullies and abusers. You can't argue with people like this. All you can do is tell them "No".

[Warpy]

4. Not bad, but cells are produced in the marrow

Once they mature and hit the blood stream, they are no longer capable of dividing and producing new cells. Blood transfusions just buy time until a patient's own marrow takes over to produce enough new cells.

The only argument for choice is this: antiabortion laws kill women. Their only effect is to stop safe and legal abortions and force desperate women to seek help from any butcher they can find. Many are maimed and killed.

In countries where abortion is illegal, the leading cause of death for young women is botched illegal abortion. Look at your daughters and think about that one.

[Kathryn7]

5. Blood cells don't have little fingers and toes and eyes and a brain.

A beating heart is absent from the blood cells also. Whether the human fetus is a "person" or not is what can be debated.

[PassingFair]

7. Neither do

embryos.

[Kathryn7]

8. Here is a medical picture at 10 weeks.

http://health.allrefer.com/health/fetal-development-fetus-10-weeks-old.html

[CAcyclist]

10. So what?

It also happens to be all of two inches long at that stage and far from viable.

The only thing that should count is whether a child is wanted or not. If one is not wanted, the fetus should be aborted. If one is wanted by the mother in question, no one should tell the mother she should abort the fetus for any reason.

I vehemently disagree that women who don't want to have a child should let someone else adopt it instead of aborting the fetus before it becomes a child. That's my opinion and I don't care to argue about it with anyone.

I read a study that theorizes that part of the reduction in crime is due to the fact that abortion was legalized. I believe that further study in this area will prove the validlity - that abortion legalization is good for society.

None of these statements of mine are up for debate as they are my opinion, so if anyone here disagrees, fine, but I will ignore any of those arguments.

[girl gone mad]

6. I think a better argument for keeping abortion legal is Romania..

Anyone who thinks abortion should be completely outlawed needs to take a trip to Romania and see firsthand the lingering devastation caused by thousands of unwanted children which the system couldn't, or wouldn't, support.

Do we really want America to become a country full of child prostitutes and criminals? We certainly are not a country that seems willing to provide anything beyond the most basic welfare needs of our citizens. I have a hard time believing orphans would get the care and attention they needed to avoid a situation like Romania's.