Democrats: Don't cooperate with the f**ing Republicans or we'll vote YOU

[EVDebs]

out faster than we'll vote against THEM !

Am I right ? What benefit is there to cooperating with these Republican bastages ? Tell me ? DeLay shafts a 'blue dog' Democrat in TX who normally went along with the Repubs anyway ! According to Mark Sheilds on PBS tonite. So what do you get from them except locked out of all committee meetings anyway ?

Funk 'em and make this session in Congress the biggest Republican disaster since the beginning of time. One they'll remember, that's for sure.

[liveoaktx]

1. Adding-NOT ONE DIME OF SUPPORT

If they actually are just a Bush-lite arm of the same poisonous dinner, let them get their money from their corporate sponsors, whom they must care about more than the people they *serve*.

[EVDebs]

2. It's all blood money now. n/t

[lonestarnot]

3. Money Mongers beware. We are watching!

:-) :evilfrown: :evilgrin:

[hellbound-liberal]

13. I plan to challenge both of my Dem. Senators on the SS issue

I will write them a letter this weekend and tell them that if they vote to do ANYTHING that weakens Social Security benefits now or in the future, I will not only not vote for them but I will begin to actively campaign against them. My support for the Democratic Senators and Representatives who are rolling over for Bush is hanging by a thread and I will no longer sit idly by and let them and their Republican counterparts ruin what is left of this country without putting up a fight. As far as I am concerned, our system and a large number of OUR poiticians have all been polluted by corporate money and I am not going to support the further erosion of the rights of the PEOPLE whose interests they are supposed to be serving.

[ldf]

4. that is EXACTLY what i told the dnc lady

that called me, BEGGING me to become a member.

she also noted my campaign donations and asked for $200 to "show that the democratic party still had a lot of support", in spite of the election.

i first apologized to her for having to listen to my rant, but then i gave it to her good.

i listed everything that really pissed me off.

and they would get NOTHING from me until they proved the had a spine and started realizing the we, the grassroots, was the party. NOT the so-called leaders, who did their best to ignore us until they wanted our money.

she then said they REALLY needed to show they had support, and if i wanted i could make just the $10 minimum donation, that they really weren't trying to raise the money right now, but were much more interested in getting people to be members.

she also said that they were getting a lot of similar responses, that i was not the only one saying this.

i finally consented to donate $10 so they could use my name.

but i then stated that there were a lot of people out here just like me and that we were watching them closely. they had to PROVE that the were not going to have business as usual.

and if there was no change, then why should we even vote at all, if the leadership was going to start reconsidering basic democratic issues like choice, equality, etc. and if we didn't go vote, NONE OF THEM WOULD BE RE-ELECTED.

so they better start listening.

i felt so good after my conversation with her. i had never had the democratic party in a position to actually have to listen to my opinion, and i certainly made the most of it.

we'll see how they respond. and i have every intention of sticking to my word. they either change or, to me, they are dead as a party.

[Selatius]

5. Then we're going to be busy booting out very many Dems

How many Dems voted for the IWR? How many Dems voted for Bush's tax cuts for the rich? How many of these guys are firm supporters of NAFTA and free trade without labor standards and environmental regulations? The party is corrupt at worst. At best, it's full of careerists who've grown complacent and are afraid of change for fear of affecting their little slice of power they have. Boxer, Kucinich, et al are minorities within the structure of the party.

As Rumsfeld said, "You go to war with the army you have." The Democrats in Congress is what we have.

[PassingFair]

6. Then we will pare them down by attrition.

My dollars are going to DFA. From there the money goes to PROGRESSIVE candidates in tough races around the country.
I also donate to the county dem assoc and local pols.
When Dean chairs the DNC, I'll start donating to the party.

[LittleClarkie]

10. The worst Dem is better than what's in there right now

I would hate to see folk inadvertently teaming up with those we should be fighting to get rid of Democrats in office.

Personally I'd feel like utter excrement if I fought to get a Dem out of office and ended up with some sort of wingnut conservative in that Dem's place. That would suck swamp water through a straw.

[EVDebs]

21. The make DEAN the DNC leader and open it all, then challenge the Repubs

to do the same.

[LittleClarkie]

7. Ah yes, we'll target them

Drive them out of office. Where have I heard tell of that tactic before. Let me think...

No, I think you are wrong. Vote or don't vote for the MAN, not for or against that man's LAST VOTE. Or woman, of course.

Go after my Senator Feingold, for example, and you'll have to get past my dead and smouldering body first.

[Fleurs du Mal]

8. You are right. Stonewall time.

[LittleClarkie]

9. I will support the DNC with a $25 contribution

and go to whatever meetings I can manage as a second-shifter. I plan to start locally, making sure the Dems are secure, hoping that will lead to better results nationally. I will also support any effort for election reform, because it will all be useless without that.

I will support them as the only game in town who have a chance of facing off the Bush Co. And as a paying member, I will shout loud and clear if I see something I don't like. But I am not cutting off my nose to spite my face. I need a strong party, not a weak one beseiged from without AND within.

This is a testing time. I want to see my party emerge from that testing with renewed focus and resolve. No infighting. No backbiting. No petty bullshit.

I will support people I think will make us stronger. I will not fight against us though. For, not against. We should have learned that lesson from the election.

(It sounds like I'm taking a pledge, don't it. Well, so be it. I duly swear).

[jn2375]

11. No money till the Dems grow bigger balls! Told them that on the phone.

[Piperay]

12. I will still vote for them

but they will not get one dime from me until they get some spine. I can't not vote for them because any vote not Democratic helps the repukes.

[Skidmore]

14. Most of these guys don't bother to understand how their

gamesmanship with the Rs in terms of setting election rules and election law has left them open to the corruption. I will not give dollar support either. They've managed to give lip service to policies and vote for laws that have generally hit my income hard. Until something starts turning around in my ability to adequately provide for my family, I will not be sending money to millionaires who would use it to further harm my family.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Vote selectively. There are alternatives to the ruling party(s).

I'll be voting Green when the Dems offer up the DLC version of a republican. I did in the last election, but did so for the lesser offices. Next time I'm starting at the top of the ballot.

[liveoaktx]

18. I too am always going to vote my conscience from now on and

for who I think truly represents me. That person doesn't win because this country has fixed it so that 3rd parties are marginalized? Better than voting for someone that doesn't represent my interests-what would change once he or she is in office?

My brother used to tell me, when I urged him to vote for Kerry because, after all, he was better than Bush, that they were on the same side of the coin on corporate interests. I listened to Noam Chomsky talk about Kerry being Bush-lite and I suppose much of the country believed that, too.

Well, now, demmit, I want someone who reflects the POV that War is the wrong thing to engage in for imperialistic interests. Who puts the environment ahead of profit. Who doesn't want to gut programs that aid the sick, elderly or poor in order to benefit the rich. Who works to get rid of unfair trade agreements and outsourcing in order to keep jobs and manufacturing here.

Maybe that person doesn't have enough money to run. Maybe he or she never could because, after all, generally, do corporate interests want to pony up for someone who will not be lining THEIR pockets in return? I believe until the so-called free-speech of political campaigns on television that favors the rich ends or is regulated for fairness, the type of candidates I want will be few and far between.

So, in 2008, I will argue with even one person who tells me that I should vote for a Democrat no matter what, just because that person remembers what Dems used to be.

[cali]

16. Nothing like an empty threat

So a democrat in the congress has to vote exactly as you want them to on every issue, and speak at all times in fiery opposition rhetoric. Could this be any sillier? I have a great congressional delegation, but even Leahy and Sanders don't always vote the way I wish they would. Jeffords does so less often. I plan on continuing to support all three. I hope Leahy votes against Gonzales, but if he doesn't, I'll still support him. For every vote he casts that I don't agree with, he casts 50 that I do.

[Q]

17. Enough of your 'purity' arguments...

Americans/Democrats have every right to be disgusted at the way their party is behaving in cooperating with the Bush government.

Your purity rant just doesn't hold water any longer. Those who enable and cooperate with Bush need to be voted out of office for the good of our party and nation. They're participating with criminals and crimes against our Constitution. Perhaps YOU can overlook and tolerate this...but don't expect others to do the same.

[liveoaktx]

19. My eyes have been opened after this election

It isn't a matter that Democrats must vote the same way that I want them to on every issue. It's a matter that the Democrat Party platform calls for certain principles and ideals and the Dems at the national level, for the most part, aren't living up to them.

I want fighters. I don't want corporate sellouts or wimps who are too afraid to lose their cushy life-jobs in the Senate to vote for the right thing. Biden and Dodd disgusted me the other day-for all their brave words about Condi's attitude about torture.... they voted for her. I simply will NOT vote for people like that in the future. If I didn't know someone's party affiliation, I STILL don't approve of this war, of torture, of secrecy, of the Patriot Act... so does it matter if it's a Dem or a Rep that votes for it? No, but it's a shame when it's a Dem.

[cali]

20. LOL, you've got it wrong

You and your ilk are the ones making 'purity' arguments, demanding utter fealty to your notion of opposition, and I'll continue to speak out for what I believe, just as I assume, you will.