Shocked: I didn't realize churches were calling us "Nazis"

[CoffeeCat]

I stumbled upon a Sunday morning religious program on ABC this morning. The program, "Coral Ridge" featured a pastor speaking in a church to a very large congregation about abortion.

I was absolutely shocked at the lies and revolting rhetoric.

I was unaware that IN CHURCHES, religious leaders were blatantly perpetuating political propaganda, lying and calling anyone who opposed their views "Nazis."

The preacher claimed that 140,000 women have serious complications from abortion each year. These complications require a doctor's care, and we don't know how many women die, because the abortionists lie and cover it up.

He went on to say that all evil people and all evil is based on lies--just like the Nazis. And just like the Nazis--the people who kill babies will be a blip in our nation's history that will soon be erased.

The preacher also said that politicians who are for killing babies will soon be reduced to running for dog catcher.

The speech featured lengthy comparisons of pro-choice (baby killing people--his words) people as "evil" and "like the Nazis". He begged the congregation to act and to remember that "evil can only exist if good people do nothing."

I knew the pro life brigade was religious. That's not a shock. However, I had no idea that preachers were using rhetoric like this and that CHURCHES are blatantly spewing political rhetoric from the pulpit--and using extreme, hateful speech.

Maybe this is old news to many of you--but it's shocking new information to me.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Don't think for a moment that

this hate-filled tirade was made by a practicing Christian, because this fellow is not following the teachings of Jesus, which state to worry about your own actions before judging another's.

[The Zanti Regent]

30. This is the garbage that passes for ¢hri$tianity in Los Angeles

There are no churches in the Los Angeles area, only a bunch of 700 Club, Daystar, Pax and Trinity Broadcasting franchises that preach racism, intoerance and Ayn (as in MINE) Randism. All they preach is Look out for #1, stab everyone in the back before they stab you and kill those who disagree with you.

And I love how these assholes fret about the fetus so much, yet when Freddy or Frieda Fetus come out of the womb, they're on their own. These assholes see nothing wrong with kids starving to death, being beaten, abused, unwanted, unloved and they are also the first ones to complain about school district bond issues for education.

And of course if Mr. Big Rich White ¢hri$tian Republican Congressman gets his mistress pregnant, well, we know SHE has a right to an abortion!

[marcologico]

2. Welcome to the GOP's Morning in America. If it wasn't abortion it would

be transubstantiation or angelology or who knows what.

[nodictators]

24. Haven't you heard? SpongeBob will make your kids gay

It was on the MSNBC web site yesterday. Seems that SpongeBob promotes diversity and tolerance in a video to be shown in schools.

There was a transcript of Olbermann's statements about it. The allegations came from some guy who has been around for years and whose last name starts with "D."

Oblermann lamely debunked it. The video was on the MSNBC site also.

It galls me how often these right-wingers get airtime, often free, for their views. It's obvious that they are just grubbing for money and power.

And what about SpongeGeorge? He might make your kids DEAD. I doubt the networks will give any airtime to that viewpoint.

Sorry, no link.

[Tempest]

3. The church was Hitler's partner

The church forged ties with Hitler, even going as far as joining the Nazi party.

The church stood by and watched as millions of people were murdered in ovens and gas chambers.

The church plundered the estates of those killed in concentration camps.

[rman]

7. which church? there are so many.

(and i don't mean actual church buildings...)

[Touchdown]

16. The majority of Germans are Lutheran...

but like any society, there are other sects represented. I believe the Pope said nothing against Hitler, and was even complicit in smuggling out Nazi war criminals after the war.

[purji]

4. If they are going to back political parties

Maybe they should also pay taxes. Of course if we try to make them follow their OWN rules,we will just be called worse.

Keep you Church out of my State
And I'll keep my State out of your church.

[noamnety]

5. Time to email ABC with complaints?

Are there transcripts up of the show, do you know, so we can quote it?

[saltpoint]

6. More vitriolic spew from the far right.

Now listen, you mainstream Christians. Instead of bitching at those knocking this sort of conduct, you need to align and attack pastors like this one, on Coral Ridge, who are defiling your faith.

Put it where it goes. Your quarrel is with the nutcases, not with those calling the nutcases nutcases.

[BUSHOUT]

8. The words of one idiot is "shocking" to you?

No offense, but you must be very new to far right opinions and ideas if hearing pro-choicers being called "baby killers" or leftists in general being compared to Nazis is new to you.

And to be fair, your characterization of "CHURCHES" is a little sweeping. Very few churches do what you described. The ones that do are more likely to get exposure though.

[msongs]

9. it is all about the $$$$$$.....fear generates income for the Xians...

let me guess what the church was like, huge. the preacher was slick and blow dried. there were constant demands for money and more money to be sent. the preacher is very wealthy. they are on a mission to save the world if you will just send more money. maybe some of the money will actually be used to help poor people instead of fattening the bank accounts of the preacher and his mob?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/liberaltshirts.htm

[Blue Gardener]

10. Send a letter to ABC

See what they have to say about it. They should not air programming that refers to half of their audience as Nazis.

[pacalo]

11. This sounds like a Karl Rove tactic.

It's the same projection tactic that was used in WhatsHisFace's dirty campaign. Whatever the scuttlebutt issues circulating about WhatsHisFace are turned around to accuse the Democrats.

There is no one more suitable for the label "Nazi" than WhatsHisFace & his cabal. It seems obvious to me that the churches are getting direction from the WH. I wish someone who had a personal inside track to a preacher would find out for sure & speak out.

I'm a believer in God, but I am now turned off to churches. They've crossed the line of separation of church & state. When you consider the deep divisions in our country caused by WhatsHisFace's manipulation of explosive issues, it's easy to understand how wise our forefathers were in deciding that religion should be kept out of our government.

I went to a funeral at a First Baptist church on inauguration day, and I was appalled when the preacher asked during the service that we include the president in our prayers on "this inauguration day". If it had not been a funeral, I would have walked out.

[Cookie wookie]

21. Right on target. This is the kind of effort Rove makes that

serves multiple purposes, not only confusing the sheeples and telling them black = white and vice versa. Not long ago, there was a "history channel" program on how Roosevelt supposedly knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance but let it happen.

It also is serves another brick in the wall they are building, like the walls surrounding the Warsaw ghetto, to justify and get away with aggressive police action against progressives because the sheeples are programmed to think of us as enemies of the "state." Just think of how they got away with the internment of protesters during the repug convention, and the police barriers, fences, and pepper spraying at the Inauguration. If the sheeples weren't confused about who the enemy is they would object to such flagrant police state actions. Instead, they vote for the administration that spearheads them.

We can also think about how protesters to the repug convention were characterized as people who would set rats loose in the city and other wild, false accusations. This is straight out of the Nazi playbook, dehumanizing those who oppose their rule in order to set the stage for further, more aggressive and anti-civil rights police state actions. Gonzales has the history of someone who would willingly lead this kind of action. I see them advancing the chess pieces forward, play by play, as if taken directly from the Nazi playbook.

Just saw a PBS program, part 1 of 3 on the Nazi extermination of Jews. Interviewed were former Nazis, who said they did what they did because they believed the Jews were subhuman and enemies of the state. Chilling parallels.

[pacalo]

36. Excellent post, Cookie wookie!

:hi: You said it very eloquently.

[AG78]

12. James Kennedy

http://www.coralridge.org/

If I'm that early on a Sunday, I'll flip through the channels and end up landing on the station with this nutcase.

I'm an atheist, but I have nothing against religion itself. Religion is neither good nor bad. Just words written a long time ago. If it's MLK Jr, I could listen all day. If it's any of the theocrats we have leading the way today, those in Congress and people like James Kennedy(and all the other usual suspects), then we have a problem.

[RevCheesehead]

31. James Kennedy sold his soul years ago...

Actually, he started out as a fairly moderate Presbyterian. (my father liked listening to his sermons years ago.) But he kept running into money problems, couldn't afford to keep his ministry on the air, despite good preaching and good music.

Then he began to move to the right. His messages became more conservative, and the money started flowing in. The more political he became, the more the $$ was there to spew religious intolerance. When this started happening, my Dad stopped watching.

It's amazing what some people will do for money. Preachers aren't any different from the rest of the world. Some resist, and some fall.

[moobu2]

13. It's even more peculiar

When one of the first things the Nazi's did when Hitler came to power was outlaw abortion and condemn the use of contraceptives and crush the womens rights movement..

"The use of contraceptives (by Aryan women) means a violation of nature, a degradation of womanhood, motherhood, and love."
-- Adolph Hitler

[illflem]

14. The subject in next week's Coral Ridge sermon

will be on the righteousness of killing all Muslims, especially the young ones before they get a chance to breed.

[Touchdown]

15. And some MoveOn contest entry gets vilified

because he had the audacity to compare Bush's words/actions to Hitler's. Oh' but that's way out of line and hate speech, but this is a-ok because this is "religious freedom".:eyes:

[noamnety]

17. I made that connection immediately as well.

I'll have the usual - a large glass of hypocrisy, straight up.

[FormerDittoHead]

32. Where's the "outrage" and complaints from the Right?

...of course, THAT would prove they *weren't* HYPOCRITES, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

[gumby]

18. This "Christianity" is the kind that is represented

all over the airwaves. The weekly programs broadcast on network TV are of this type. The "Christian" networks on cable are right-wing.

Radio is even worse. In much of the country, am radio programming consists ONLY of Rush-type-hate, sports programs and these right-wing "Christian" programs.

I heard the most amazing things on "Christian" radio during the Clinton administration. The words Nazi, Communist and Socialist were used often in bizarre conspiracy theories that the audience was urged to fight against. The audience was told over and over their religion and their very existence was at stake.

Constant media pounding, pounding, pounding with no alternatives certainly skews what people consider "Christian" or "normal."

[ComerPerro]

19. And, just think

That preacher is tax exempt.

[SoCalifer]

20. History of Christianity - History of DEATH!

Be VERY concerned when you start seeing Christians (especially inside their churches) preaching politics and demonizing those who harbor different political views then them. I do not say this lightly. Be very concerned.

It is exactly this type of diatribe spewed out from Christians throughout it's history which has caused the most hideous death and destruction more than anything else in history.

Make no mistake how dangerous this type of diatribe rhetoric is when preached by Christian leaders. For when a Christian believes he or she's in the moral right because their religion says so; "God Will Not Suffer A Witch To Live" -and- "I Come Not To Bring Peace, But A Sword"

[kweerwolf]

22. Nothing would surprise me about Coral Ridge

Several years ago they started promoting an "ex-gay"/Jesus can make you straight sort of ministry (though "brainwashing" would be a better word for it).

It was about that time that I canceled my AOL service when it came out that Steve Case and his wife had given beau coup bucks to Coral Ridge. I also sent a letter to Case about his choice of charities ... but, no surprise, it went unaswered.

[Hollowkatt]

23. Fight fire with fire.

Thats why I say, bring it on. If they want a religious holy war then let them come. I will die defending my right to not be a Xtian. I will die defending my right to raise my children in an atmosphere of love, not vile hate and propaganda.
If they want a religious war, fine. I for one will NOT back down :mad:

[SoCalifer]

25. .

Here, here

[Generic Other]

26. The NAZIs claimed to be Christians and Christian leaders

never denied it was so.

[Vinnie From Indy]

27. Fundies LOVE Fetuses and HATE Children.

It never fails to astonish me how so many fundies will devote enormous amounts of time, energy and money fighting abortion, but once the fetus is born, they could care less about it's welfare.

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. Pat Robertson started that bullshit years ago.

I remember watching a "700 Club" episode probably some time around the 1992 election and Pat went into a diatribe about how Liberals were supposedly "forcing" homosexuality and "infanticide" on the rest of the coutry and how we weren't really liberals at all, but "Nazis".

From what I remember, even co-host Ben had a shocked look on his face, and he got to hear Pat's crazy shit every day.

Now let's look at the facts.

Who is it who is proposing genocide?

" “And advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool...." - PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses", page 72

Who is building Concentration camps? Uh, Gitmo anyone?

Who was it who transformed himself from an illegitimate pretender into a "popular leader" through the use of a "convenient" tragedy, and followed that tragedy with an attack on civil liberties, JUST LIKE HITLER DID??

Wasn't any liberals, that's for damn sure.

[earth mom]

38. Exactly, Robertson is EVIL

and he is one of the main psychos who's responsible for all this shit we and this country are now facing from him and these other whack jobs. He has been spewing this stuff for like 20 or 30 years! And people, gullible vulnerable sheep that they are, believe him. It's unreal! Just watch him on the 700 club for a few minutes-it's very easy to see where all of this crap stems from. It is beyond sickening!

[bluedog]

29. My Son Married

at his brides church in Tampa Florida and going into the church was a garden with 183 crosses in it...the big sign said.....during each Sunday mass......183 babies die.....Stop Abortion.......Now.........

I was shocked and pissed off at the same time.........many of the wedding party walked past this display and uttered "bullshit"

[SoCalifer]

35. My Rant

When I attended my younger brother's wedding at a Catholic Church (just a month ago). I remember people looking at me every time I wouldn't get on my knees. Whenever during the proceeding people would do that, I just stayed sitting.

I remember a friend whispered in my ear, asking why I wouldn't get on my knees. I responded to him "because I get on my knees for no one." He was shocked! Don't get me wrong though. This was my little brother's wedding and I didn't cause any kind of a scene or anything. My little brother is my brother and I love him no matter what.

Anyway, because my friend looked disturbed at my response, I later told him that if there really was some divine being who was so loving. Why then does this divine being DEMAND that I "submit" to him. And if I don't, this loving divine being with damn me to what is know as hell, to suffer pain and torture for "eternity." Even if I have lived a moral life. Excuse me, but that doesn't sound very just or loving to me.

Of course I believe in divine forces about as much as I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, The Fairy Godmother, etc, etc.. I see religion as nothing more than our (humans) earliest examples of government control over the populace. The politics of "fear" is the politics of control. Always has and always will.



P.S. I also found it rather ironic when during the holy communion part of the wedding ceremony; when the preacher made the announcement that anybody who's a "practicing catholic" and who has gone through their first communion may come up and except the holy communion.

Now I thought to myself. Hmmmm, you mean if I am not a practicing catholic or haven't gone through my first communion that I am not allowed to officially except holy communion? WOW I thought! Did the catholic church did say that?

OMFG I thought. I have always been under the impression that the whole idea behind the catholic church was the teachings of Jesus Christ and they based their entire Sunday mass behind Jesus' last supper.

And that one of the major things about Jesus was that he never excluded "anyone" from receiving his blessings. case in point. The Prostitute Mary Magdalene, and that one party-boy Jesus took to be one of his disciples. Looks to me that the catholic church isn't following Jesus' example.


That's my rant..

[0007]

33. Sounds like Karl Rove has been talking to the Church leaders

before they get that 'Faith Based Money'

[LunaC]

34. But no objections to killing already-born Iraqi kids

Fucking hypocrites!

The only Nazis we have to fear are those that reside in the WH!

[noamnety]

37. The lowdown on Coral Ridge

I was researching Amway today - and ran into Coral Ridge! Everything's falling into place. DeVos of Amway is one of their major funders.

DeVos has also been a board member for the CNP:

"The Council on National Policy is an organization made up of people like former drug and gun runner Oliver North and R.J. Rushdoony, a Christian Reconstructionist who believes that children should be given the death penalty for disobeying their parents. This group chastised Reagan in the 80's for not being supportive enough of the South African apartheid regime. One board member, Don McAlvany, while on a trip to South Africa in 1989 suggested that someone might want to kill Archbishop Desmond Tutu. In the US the CNP promotes the theories of groups like the Pioneer fund that believes that Blacks are genetically inferior to whites."

Coral Ridge's paster, Kennedy, is a spokesman for a Moonie front group.

http://www.mediamouse.org/static/jay_van_andel_dies_at_age_80_a_critical_look_at_the_philanthropy_of_van_andel_and_devos.php