Offical - Rice Hearing thread #1

[Skidmore]

Okay, I'll start it. Did anyone see Frist's intro using Auschwitz and the torture there as the basis for lessons learned by the US about treatment of other people around the world. Gave me the heebie-jeebies.

[nickinSTL]

1. I thought that intro was in really poor taste

Using Auschwitz?

I also couldn't really see a connection between that and Rice's nomination...

[hector459]

159. Who used that as an intro? Wasn't watching. I hope it wasn't a Dem.

The entire thing makes me sick. Just knowing that Condi is going to get this position makes me ill.

[burn the bush]

2. they were suppose to learn why not to torture, not HOW to do it

[Wind Dancer]

3. I have to turn on mute when the pubs speak.

I can only handle so much!


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[fryguy]

4. omg no

he didn't do that?!!? not able to watch the proceedings but did hear him on NPR this morning saying something about how important it is for the security of the country to get the sec state in place - - thought his subtext was that the sooner she was in place the sooner they could go to war against Iran or Syria....i wonder if she'll use the same vial of "anthrax" at the UN that colin had....

:puke:

[whometense]

Having failed at

sucking up to the Jewish vote, have they now moved on to threatening us?

Speaking as one of them Jewish voters, I say :grr:

[burn the bush]

5. so, the pugs have the first 4 1/2 hours?

I think I'll have to come back coz I don't think that I can sit through hours of butt kissing like this.

[Wind Dancer]

7. Same here.

I didn't realize that was the format.

[The Blue Flower]

6. He was funnin' ya

They're using the Nazi playbook, so he really meant the lessons THEY learned. Like, change the laws first so there is no treaty about how you treat the people in your care. And so you can dispose of the opposition legally. And, of course, the main lesson is to WIN at all costs so you'll never be accountable.

Problem is, these types never have won, never will win.

[Darknyte7]

8. What in the hell are the Pugs talking about right now?

I'm not following this. Why have they selected Nazi Germany as a theme this morning?

[TayTay]

10. Counter argument

The Dems are going to argue that Condi & Co screwed up the war and authorized torture. The Rethugs are hitting first by saying that the War was justified because it was a war against Saddam's inhumanity. (Pull out the Nazi card, how low of them.) As we all know, the war was not sold to the American people as a noble undertaking against genocide. What a bunch of low lifes.

[Darknyte7]

11. *sigh*

Thank you for your reply.

This is just disgusting. :eyes:

[Skidmore]

9. Normie Coleman is up

expressing shock over the Nazi belief in superiority of German stock and how it could lead to genicide in an attempt to create an elitist society. We're being treated to a parade of crap over the Rs concerns for civil rights of other peoples. The subscript for our new war on tyranny is being woven before our eyes cause they know the nation will be watching this. Randi Rhodes is so right about the marketing of image that the right does.

[TayTay]

13. The 9 1/2 hours haven't started yet, right?

This discussion is coming out of morning sessions, right (half hour for each side to discuss pending business.)

[Skidmore]

15. I believe you are correct; however, the Rs are mostly using it

to give testimonials for Rice and to denigrate the debate following.

[Oreo]

But....

did his teeth look good?

Friggin puppet. God I can't stand that guy!

[CWebster]

12. Is this supposed to be about Rice? nt

[TayTay]

17. Yeah, but they are finessing this

The formal speeches will start at 10:45 am.

[grumpy old fart]

14. So the Repub strategy is to talk about everything but Rice???

Senator Thomas R-Wyoming droning on about Social Security and tax cuts...what up with that???

[CWebster]

16. Killing time? nt

[TayTay]

19. Morning business

Haven't starting against the 9 1/2 hour clock. This is part of the usual morning business speeches.

[John_H]

63. A page out of the LBJ handbook

Using the unanimous consent agreement to stifle debate. First put a strict time limit on it, then use your time to dilute and disjoint the oponent's argument, by talking about non-germain issues. They may also use parlimentary tactics to put much of the debate until after newspaper deadlines/tonight's news.

[nickinSTL]

18. Great...Lieberman speaking in favor of Rice now...

n/t

[Skidmore]

21. We're at war, ya' know. Joe's the Dem hawk

and self-proclaimed security god.

[whometense]

22. Ok,

Joe - just SHUT UP.

I know, I know, that was mature. But god in heaven...

[CWebster]

24. Well, we all are thinking that. nt

[flpoljunkie]

30. No, Joe, we need to send the message that we Dems do not promote those

who actively help lie this nation into an unnecessary and devastating war that we cannot win.

Democrats, stand up for our democratic ideals and vote NO on Condoleeza Rice as Secretary of State!

[southlandshari]

164. He has established a new low today

I only caught a few minutes this morning before work, and unfortunately that was during Lieberman's verbal love letter for Condi.

I waste no time worrying about crazy Zell Miller's defection-without-official-action antics. Unfortunately, Lieberman, by comparison, appears to relatively sane, at least to the average American who does not follow politics and current events beyond the corporate-spun nightly news.

Lieberman's no nutcase, just driven by interests that do not always dovetail with those of his own constituents, much less the rest of the American public. He will do anything he perceives to be "good for Israel" yet his actions are even counter to the best interests of most of the Israeli public, who would rather have peace with the Palestinians than further the hard right-wing agenda of their own government that is oh-so-familiar to what we have right here at home now.

[mhr]

20. Lieberman Making A Fool Of Himself - As Usual

eom

[grumpy old fart]

23. "We are at War"....Jeebus

what a tool.....just switch parties now!

[Skidmore]

26. His colleagues will give Condi a "resounding"

endorsement through their votes. Why does he keep getting re-elected?

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. Because the voters of CT give him more votes than his opponents

And no Democrat has the balls to run against such a popular guy.

[roenyc]

27. Zell Miller couldnt do a better job! NT

[pdxmom]

29. He wants us all to rally behind her.

Not in his wildest dreams. I don't rally behind those who I feel are totally dishonest.

[Roland99]

32. I'll rally behind her

while carrying a glowstick...

[stevedeshazer]

25. Say it ain't Joe

Lining up with the R's BIG TIME.

[Roland99]

28. Who bought Lieberman?

:wtf:

[Skidmore]

33. The insurance industry and anyone else who

smiled and him and told him he is a cute little bipartisan uniter-not-a-divider presidential wannabe.

[roenyc]

39. He is a very religious Jew

please dont take this the wrong way but he may be very pro isreal and this administration is very um, pro isreal. he may put his religion first.

[flpoljunkie]

34. Lieberman, you remember, was a co-sponsor of CLI--Committee to Liberate

Iraq--along with Evan Bayh!

[Skidmore]

40. And co-founder with Lynne Cheney of that foundation

that was designed to identify professors as unAmerican or unpatriotic when they made statements that didn't affirm warmongering or offered any dissenting voices. Can't remember the name of the foundation now.

[Untouchedalarm]

35. Joseph Lieberman

The first one on my email list. Sickening

[msanthrope]

76. Who didn't? n/t

[grumpy old fart]

31. He respects his colleagues? B.S.

"Send the message" that we are behind the Chimp? I'm gonna puke... :puke:

[berner59]

37. He is nauseating...

Just shut up... He wants no dissent in a time of war...oh please - that's how we got to war you idiot!! There was NOT ENOUGH dissent!!

[nickinSTL]

38. He's QUOTING Bush's inaugural speech!

What is with him?

If this is a Democrat...I'm no Democrat!

[pdxmom]

42. I was shocked

And sickened. Can't believe he's backing the garbage in that speech.

[demgrrrll]

73. He may as well have come out and urinated on all the Dems in the

chamber. That's just how I feel.

[CWebster]

36. nuclear proliferation

Forgot to mention Israel and the US, Joe.

[roenyc]

44. I am going to vomit!!! nt

[Wiley50]

84. Yeah, and nobody ever talks about how many sanctions

the UN has hit Israel with. Lots more than Saddam ever got. They are completely ignored.
I'm not anti-semite but I am strongly anti-Likud zionist.
I don't know if the US is their bitch or the other way around.
That government is Fascist and terrorizes the palestinians as bad as the Nazis terrorized them in WW2.
I've heard that they have over 200 nukes, but no one ever tries to send inpectors in. The world ignores it.

[Roland99]

41. "I conclude Dr. Condoleeze Rice is capable of such leadership"

She fucking failed miserably at her job for the last four years!

She fucking LIED!! to the 9/11 Commission!!

[CWebster]

43. Now gushing over Bush.

as the equivilant of any great Democrat.

Now gushing over Rice.

[realFedUp]

45. gads

I had to mute the Republicans but there
was unfortunately no warning label on Joe's speech...

oy.

[Untouchedalarm]

46. Playing the race card

mute

[whometense]

47. second that oy.

he is a flat-out embarrassment.

[realFedUp]

49. Looking further than skin deep

People who judge people on more than
their skin color...their words, actions,
etc. are truly anti-racists.

Ms. Rice has had four years of actions
and words on which to base arguments against
her nomination.

[rainbow4321]

48. No, Joe, we are over there KILLING those Iraqi babies....

and torturing their parents <w/ Condi's approval>

[EFerrari]

65. I called his office and told him so. Oh that poor staffer! n/t

[mhr]

50. Lieberman = DINO = Zell Miller = Traitor To Democratic Principles

eom

[nickinSTL]

51. Why is Akaka talking about this bill?

Am I missing something?

I thought this was about Rice's nomination?

Not that I'm necessarily against what he's talking about...I don't know a lot about it...but...it has nothing to do with Rice.

[realFedUp]

53. I'm also waiting for the punch line....

Where is the disclaimer? :-)

[grumpy old fart]

52. Is this a day of speeches about anything and everything???? n/t

[nickinSTL]

57. Don't know...but,

At the bottom of the screen, it says that the Rice debate will start at 11am EST.

[Avalux]

54. Since when Joe, does being a "woman of color" automatically

mean Condi is a good person with all the admirable qualities you just used to describe her? You make me sick. :puke:

[roenyc]

56. that played right into the hands of the Rush limbaughs of

the world.

[Avalux]

58. yep - they'll get a lot of mileage out of that one -

they'll also accuse Byrd of racism when he speaks about Rice - pointing out he was once a clan member.

[roenyc]

72. Oh been done already. lol been done! i try to keep up

with the nut jobs so i frequent a site that allows them free reign and oh yea they have already said kkk Byrd is holding up nom. its all they got.

[gulfcoastliberal]

55. Daniel Akaka D-HI sounds cool....

Talking about a bill he wants to introduce to address issues the native population has with the US.

Condi debate begins 11AM EST

[gulfcoastliberal]

59. Here we go - Dick Lugar up 1st

Starting the BS immediately.

[nickinSTL]

62. yep, now for 4 1/2 hrs of Republicans

:puke:

[fooj]

66. 41/2 hours straight...in a row? Of just repubs...Ugh!

[nickinSTL]

71. That's my understanding..

They get equal time for not more than 9 hours.

Not sure if each get their full time consecutively, though.

[realFedUp]

60. Dick's up....mute

ahhhhhhh.

[TayTay]

64. So she aced the essay part

of the exam. This means she gets to continue screwing up? come on Lugar!

[roenyc]

67. did you guys see SNL

it was great. they did a wonderful job with boxer and had her holding up a all kinds of charts. one was a large zero, she says this is a 0 the number of WMDs found in iraq. the other was a bar graph of condis lies. the line of lies was way long and the other line was tiny. it was well done.

[DemReadingDU]

75. Boxer/Rice SNL video link from 1/22/05

Here is a link to replay the video....


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/01/24.html#a1407


Edit to correct link, click to start the video.

[Roland99]

78. An eruption of lies from your lie volcano

Dr. CondoLIEza Rice.


:D

[realFedUp]

79. thanks....I really needed that....

Dick's still on mute and not being funny at all...

[realFedUp]

68. The more honorable Ms. Rice

Ms. Rice's cousin...Connie.

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/rice.html

Connie Rice, co-director of The Advancement Project, is known for her success in tackling problems of inequity and exclusion. She has received more than 50 major awards for her work in expanding opportunity and advancing multi-racial democracy.
Rice graduated from Harvard College in 1978. She won the Root Tilden Public Interest Scholarship to New York university School of Law, where she earned her law degree in 1984. After law school, she served as law clerk to the Honorable Damon J. Keith, judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, and worked at Morrison & Foerster as a litigation associate. In 1991, she joined the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and became co-director of LDF’s Los Angeles Office in 1996.

As a litigator, Rice has filed class action civil rights cases redressing police misconduct, race and sex discrimination and unfair public policy in transportation, probation and public housing. She filed a landmark case on behalf of low-income bus riders that resulted in a mandate that more than 2 billion dollars be spent to improve the bus system. And in 1999, Rice launched a coalition lawsuit that won $750 million for new school construction in Los Angeles - money previously slated for less crowded, more affluent suburban school districts. In these and other cases, Rice has led multi-racial coalitions of lawyers and clients to win more than $4 billion worth of injunctive relief and damages.

In her non-litigation work in the 1990s, Rice served as counsel to the Watts gang truce and spearheaded a statewide campaign to save equal opportunity programs. Mayors Tom Bradley and Richard Riordan appointed Rice to the governing board of Los Angeles’ Department of Water and Power where she served as president and enacted contracting reforms and environmental advances. In 1998, Rice helped lead a successful campaign to place aggressive public school reformers on the governing board for Los Angeles’ public schools.

In 1998, the LOS ANGELES TIMES designated her one of 24 leaders considered the "most experienced, civic-minded and thoughtful people on the subject of Los Angeles." And in October 2000, CALIFORNIA LAWBUSINESS named her, along with Governor Gray Davis and Warren Christopher, as one of California’s top 10 most influential lawyers. In May 2003, Rice received an honorary doctor of laws degree from Occidental College.

Rice is a co-founder of The Advancement Project, a public policy and legal action group that supports organizations working to end community problems and address racial, class and other barriers to opportunity.

[realFedUp]

69. Can't watch a confirmation debate without a program....

Bring on the real Democrats!

[CWebster]

70. ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

He does drone on and one.

[roenyc]

74. What does this have to do with anything. oh its starting to

make sense = i just heard her name. but i just dont care. shut up!!!

[Untouchedalarm]

77. Beam Me Up Scottie

[CWebster]

80. Reference to Lugar

I took off my headphones, is he still droning on?

[E_Smith]

82. Lugar expounding on nucular proliferation

nothing to do with Condi's qualifications.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

81. Lugar - still going and going and going.....................

and going.

[Skidmore]

83. He's killing time pushing Nunn-Lugar funding and

any other initiative he thinks makes the Rs look compassionate and thoughtful about foreign policy.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

85. Ted!!!!!

[CWebster]

89. Listening, Feingold?

Kennedy is straight on!


Ooops.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Kennedy won't for for the wench!!!

WooHoo! Go TED! :bounce:

[fooj]

87. Go get em Kennedy!!!

Finally!!!!!!!! ACCOUNTABILITY!!

[fooj]

91. She wasn't "plain wrong"...she LIED!!!!!!

[stevedeshazer]

88. Teddy's voting no!

:thumbsup:

[Skidmore]

90. Did I hear correctly? Lieberman's time has been

given to someone else? I got a phone call and missed the time change requests in their entirety.

[fooj]

92. I heard something to that effect!

[CWebster]

93. He already gave his disgraceful rant. nt

[Rose Siding]

94. Didn't he already have time?

How can they give it away now?

[Pirate Smile]

99. Joementum's time was before this debate actually started. He and

Sen. Collins are having a press conference on C-span 1 on Government Waste and Fraud.

[roenyc]

95. he has done enough damage.

its going to be a long 4 years.

[rodeodance]

98. Dayton (Dem) from MN will oppose the nomination--talking of troops, dead

[CWebster]

96. When hearing what Kennedy lays out

How can any Democrat with an ounce of integrity reaffirm her with their vote?

[Supersedeas]

125. b/c this is all about INTEGRITY -- we are watching Sen. Dems

[roenyc]

97. are we having fun yet!!! yea!!!!!!!!!!!!

illegal codesmilie_remote(':bounce:')

[rodeodance]

101. Danton says he learned of troops staying 2 years more in Iraq in WP

not as a Senator!! Also talked of other things (US secret commandos operating in this country, and Rummy's new SS )--read all in newspapers instead as a member of Senate Armed Services Committee.

[Untouchedalarm]

109. Yes

I have my party hat on and blowing my party whistle.

[stevedeshazer]

100. Dayton - Rising to oppose!

'bout time.

[rodeodance]

104. Dayton says lying is immoral, wrong-included WH and RICE --YES

he said it!!!!

[fooj]

102. Dayton is on fire!

Allow his top admin. officials to get away with lying...wrong, immoral!

[fooj]

158. "This woman who is unflappable?"...Does this idiot from Texas

think no one is watching? Texas...get rid of this windbag!

[fooj]

160. Maybe we should start flooding the Repukes mailboxes...

after we flood Salazar's mailbox....Colorado-you know what to do!

[E_Smith]

103. Hahha. Dayton says he might as well skip intelligence meetings

Because BUSH IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevedeshazer]

105. Yes, calling them LIARS!

[rodeodance]

108. he is framing this right--lying as Immoral!! and included the WH!!

[bigtree]

106. Dayton hits it! They lied.

Plain and simple. "It's wrong, it's immoral and it must be stopped."

[Avalux]

107. He keeps saying the "L" word - Go Dayton!

Liars!

[rodeodance]

111. he is going through a list of things Condi said that were wrong!!

[Armstead]

110. Dayton is kicking butt

Calling the administration's obession with secrecy and lies "unAmrican"

Complains that he learns things in the newspaper instead of from administration briefings with his committee. "I should just stay home and just read the papers" to find out what the administration is doing.

Lets hope more Dems stand up, instead of just leaving Boxer and Byrd twisting in the wind.

[rodeodance]

112. says Boxer 'properly pressed " Dr Rice and even then would not admit

that she (Rice) said wrong things.

[rodeodance]

114. does not like be "lied to"---it is dangerous!! (Administration) also

is "lying". yes he said the words!!

[DemReadingDU]

113. my opinion of Sen Dayton has risen

He did not speak so eloquently when Sen Boxer challenged the electoral vote last month.

[E_Smith]

116. WHOAAAAAAA! LIARS LIARS LIARS

demanding that it MUST STOP NOW!

[Roland99]

115. lying is dangerous

This Senate must demand that it stop now.

[katinmn]

This is the Mark Dayton we elected.

not the one on Jan. 6

:kick:

Thank you, Sen. Dayton.

[Avalux]

117. Oohhhhh I love this guy!!!!

Vote AGAINST Condi - my statement that this administration's lying must STOP!

[RuleofLaw]

118. Go ahead Dayton say it!

IT'S ILLEGAL! (Lying to Congress)

[realFedUp]

119. A Dale Bumpers moment

glad we still have some statesmen
and women putting America and truthtelling
first. Thank you to those who will
vote against this nomination and their
reasons why.

[roenyc]

120. Dayton was wonderful! NT

[JohnOneillsMemory]

121. OMFG! Dayton's speech is one to print out for history!!

I want the transcript (not edited by the NYT!) to give to every Republican.

All the lies and manipulations revealed. Wow.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

123. IMPEACH..IMPEACH..They are citing REASONS TO IMPEACH!! ..N/T

[Skidmore]

134. I missed it. Got a phone call.

Hope they rerun this.

[E_Smith]

144. Bayh to vote NO

[GreenPoet64]

122. Dayton about lying . . . "It's wrong, it's unamerican, and

it's dangerous. It's very, very dangerous. . . This administration's lying must stop now."

[JohnOneillsMemory]

127. Great soundbite. Is all this late truth-telling an effort to save the USA

or is it an effort to save the Democratic party?? They did nothing until Boxer stood up. They are distancing themselves from the disastrous war at the last minute only.

I'll take it either way but WE ALL KNEW ALL THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

Maybe the Dems are only just figuring out that more Americans aren't buying the mainstream media song and dance so they better catch up with us on the internet.

[realFedUp]

124. If they had only read DU early on....

seems like deja DU vu that these guys
are finally saying what we all knew
and posted so early on in this administration.

Maybe they did and didn't feel the
"people" were ready to hear it. Mistake.

[katinmn]

126. We finally started telling them what we think.

It's made ALL the difference. Never doubt that.

[rodeodance]

128. Carl Levin (Dem)--also going thru list of Rice lies!!

[rodeodance]

129. says Rice says there was a 'consensus" about aluminun tubes

she exaggerated information "for the need to go to war"

[rodeodance]

130. glad to see all this lies going on Record!!

[rodeodance]

133. voting yes would be a 'stamp of approval' for this Administrations

misjudgements, policies etc .

[nickinSTL]

132. Anyone who votes for Rice after this...

Is clearly supporting someone who LIED to CONGRESS on multiple occasions.

[realFedUp]

131. Maybe we could use a new thread....anyone going to be around for awhile?

n/t

[CWebster]

135. sure.

Great ending by Levin.

[katinmn]

136. sounds like they are going to break soon

A Part 2 thread after the break would be good.

[Skidmore]

140. Got one started.

[rodeodance]

137. Levin will Not vote for Rice-----Byrd on this afternoon.

[underpants]

138. LEVIN WILL VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!

Good job Carl

[katinmn]

139. Thanks for showing the backbone, Sen. Levin!

[rodeodance]

141. Sen Bayh (Dem) will OPPOSE the nomination of Rice

[nickinSTL]

146. Yes! Bayh Opposing

I'm a bit surprised by that.

[blueblitzkrieg]

142. Is Evan Bayh going to vote no?

Wow, sounds like it!

[CWebster]

143. yep. nt

[Occulus]

147. Think they're hearing from the people they represent?

And Boxer speaks later. :D

[Skidmore]

145. Continue on Thread #2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1527161

[katinmn]

152. If you want to send a quick note to the senators....

http://www.senate.gov/

reinforce them for speaking up

[carpe diem]

148. is that Evan Bayh voting against Condi?

oh my!...could the Dems have an actual plan?...could they be presenting a united front? is that why LIEberman spoke earlier with the Repugs cause he's not in on it? Could those Dems who voted to send her nomination to the full Senate now vote against her confirmation? Dare I dream/hope/pray?

[rodeodance]

149. yes, Bayh said he would oppose the nomination. (forget Joe. L. as I

think he is a lost cause)

[rodeodance]

150. Bayh says we had a 'moral obligation" to lead better and we failed!!

[rodeodance]

151. "we have been the authors of our own misery" says Bayh!!

[Roland99]

153. Sen. Hutchison (R-TX) is apologizing for the insurgency

What a dishonest bitch.


The State Dept. and the CIA both predicted a sizable insurgency!!!

[ohioliberal]

154. Sen. Hutchinson

Can kiss my liberal ass!!!

[roenyc]

156. ditto nt

[katinmn]

157. A key architect of the crisis

[Untouchedalarm]

155. Recipe

Truth and Honesty

[katinmn]

161. Salazar - WTF?

It's more than a "lack of candor." It's called a lie.

[fooj]

162. Colorado...you know what to do!!!

I think we need to start flooding the repukes mailbozes, as well! That's right...time to let them ALL know exactly what we think!

[Untouchedalarm]

163. Done

Later on this evening. Waiting to get all the names of yes vote wimps

[fooj]

165. YIPPEE!

[Untouchedalarm]

166. How does this sound?

Dear Senator, You have officially made our RE-Election Have To Go, No Backbone list. Thank you