Rice debate C-SPAN 2- Official thread #2

[Skidmore]

Continuation of:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1526434


Breaking for lunch?

[realFedUp]

1. thanks skidmore

mmmmmm...lunch.

[Skidmore]

3. Actually, eating at my desk.

But so many of these legislators have been out to lunch way too long.

[realFedUp]

2. Bayh on

Will vote against her also...good sign. He's
very centrist.

[underpants]

4. After that step by step tearing down of the whole war lie Levin.....

had to say he would vote no.

[realFedUp]

6. lol

the footnote.bv

[underpants]

7. Evan Bayh starts out saying he will vote NO!!!

Good

[anarchy1999]

5. Ahhh, here it is. I was looking all over GD for it thinking how much I

missed Kephra. Thanks skidmore.

Durbin was awesome. I can't believe this is even being debated. Condi should be held accountable and fired. Simple gross incompetency or treason, two choices, either is unacceptable.

[liveoaktx]

8. If every Dem voted against Condi, would that stop her approval?

[Skidmore]

10. Depends on how many Rs are willing to stand up in

agreement with them. Let them take a stand. We'll know where they stand on the values of the party.

[underpants]

11. No

Leiberman is of course towing the Republican line even with his vote she will still be confirmed. Sad to say.

[realFedUp]

13. The rest of the world knows exactly what Ms. Rice is all about

She's just the messenger.

[realFedUp]

9. I think I heard Dole and Salazar were speaking next

before lunch...but don't quote me.

[nickinSTL]

12. Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Salazar

are before lunch.

[Ivote]

18. Did You Mean "Beatle Baily " Hutchinson?

Sorry I couldn,t resist.
:bounce:

[bear425]

41. Kay "Koolaid" Bailey Hutchison is more like it. n/t

[nickinSTL]

22. Hutchinson thinks we shouldn't focus on

perceived mistakes :eyes:

[feminazi]

14. and di-fi is speaking after lunch

that should be interesting....not! most likely a repeat of lieberman's performance this morning.

[carpe diem]

15. is that Evan Bayh voting against Condi?

oh my!...could the Dems have an actual plan?...could they be presenting a united front? is that why LIEberman spoke earlier with the Repugs cause he's not in on it? Could those Dems who voted to send her nomination to the full Senate now vote against her confirmation? Dare I dream/hope/pray?

[suziedemocrat]

30. Wouldn't that be great!

[frylock]

16. anybody have a list of definite no votes thus far?

Boxer
Kerry
Kennedy
Levin
Dayton
Bayh

Who else is voting no?

on edit: added Evan Bayh

[Skidmore]

17. Anyone getting the impression that the Rs are

in the back room chanting "Ohmm" and thinking "Oh, donkey poop" now.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

19. Bayh"Iraqis now think of democracy as violence and economic destruction"

Everything now being said by Dems could have been said before Nov. 2.

Having their cake and throwing it, too.

[rodeodance]

20. "we have been the authors of our own misery" says Bayh!!

[underpants]

21. Since when did Pat Buchanan's wife get to be a Senator?

Just wondering

:bounce:

[rodeodance]

26. Hutchison (Repug, TX) --Rice would be "wonderful" as she has a

deep understanding of foreign policy. uga uga !!
Kay Bailey Hutchison does not look too enthusiastic!! does she?

[eek]

97. yeah - she looks like she's sucking it up and reading the script

that even her black little heart doesn't buy.
Party uber alles!

[irancontra]

23. go Bayh. bask in a steaming pile of dung kay bailey whorechinson.

[Connie_Corleone]

25. Notice how she skips over the LIES that got us into this war...

[bvar22]

31. KBH

paraphrase:

We shouldn't judge a person by their record.
Condo only made some potential mistakes.
:puke:

[irancontra]

yeah.. that she MIGHT have made.....

ugghhhhh.

[E_Smith]

24. Hutchinson says "don't talk about mistakes"

not relevant to confirmation.

[Skidmore]

33. "What do we look for in a Secretary of State," she asks.

HOw about honesty, integrity, and some empathy for other human beings. Academic credentials don't mean squat when it comes to these virtues.

[rodeodance]

40. SOS needs be be a "trusted advisor" --lapdog is more like it.

[me b zola]

126. What she really means is..

Don't talk about the truth, not relevant to this administration.

[realFedUp]

27. Salazar's a wild card...anyone want to guess...will he do a LIEberman?

[Chomskyite]

28. Kay Bailey's speech

Embarrassing as usual. Simply lacks the intellect necessary to be a senator. Incredible.

[anarchy1999]

59. Speaking for a number of "Texans", we're sorry, she's an embarrassment &

over the course of the last couple of years I've called and visited her offices in Dallas, Houston and Washington. She's unreachable and does not listen. I've told them every time I've contacted them, that I, as a constituent, am utterly devoted to making sure she is not re-elected ever to anything.

I'm so angry, I'm listening to this bs and enraged that she is speaking for me. @#%&%%(!!!

"I'm Proud", WTF!

[Roland99]

103. No one could have predicted the insurgency?

Is she really that fucking stupid???

[liveoaktx]

29. Hutchison-what do you want in a SOS? How about NOT A LIAR

who cares what her background is? There are other people with good resumes that are better suited.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

32. She said "stay the course" --HA HA HA! What a lame apologist.

"What do you look for in a SOS?" more of Condi's resume...

What a transparent attempt to build a fantasy.

[Skidmore]

37. Kay started out stuttering.

I think the Rs did not expect the intense objections in this debate. They are regrouping.

[realFedUp]

38. Yeah, keep running into that burning building....

with bags of our cash.

[JoMama49]

53. Bailey is also saying that poor Condi couldn't possibly have

anticipated that some of her lies wouldn't come true! How can we expect a security advisor to know what crazed suicide bombers are going to do? Then, talking about how smart Condi is and what a wonderful resume. Although, it's funny, the Senator sounds as if she's not convinced herself!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

67. "Look to the future" said the criminal, "not at my crimes" GRRRR.

[Avalux]

34. Her credentials, her experience -

Condi is a liar - PERIOD, and KBitchH says we shouldn't talk about it; we shouldn't rehash the past. :puke:

[eek]

111. so which is it, Toots?

are we not to wallow in the past or are we to benefit from her vast experience?

:eyes:(hey - i didn't realise that condi was responsible for bringiing down the berlin wall alongside st ronnie! wow she's magical.):eyes:

[rqstnnlitnmnt]

35. hutchison -- worst debater EVER

when has it ever been philosophically sound to state a slogan ("this is a new kind of enemy") and use it as justification another point ("she has experience."

what a freaking idiot, she sounds like a high schooler

[underpants]

42. I was not aware that Condi freed Eastern Europe

until just now.

[CWebster]

46. no, more like she is reciting from a weekly reader. nt

[CWebster]

66. gosh darn it--don't rehash the record!

What has it got to do with it?

[E_Smith]

55. "when to persuade, when to inform, when to demand.... and when to LIE!"

n/t

[MuseRider]

36. I just got home

and skimmed the other thread but from what I gather the Dems who have spoken out have set it right out for all to see(except for old Joe of course). They really called them liars? This is good that they are publicly saying the things we have known and been saying all these years. It is time others heard this. For someone on the fence to hear those words said might just be enough to get them to think instead of just go along. Good job Senators. STFU KBHutchison you sound stupid.

[underpants]

47. Dayton (Minn.) used the word "lie" or "liar" at least once

That is very surprising in the Senate.

[MuseRider]

86. I now have

a big grin on my face. It has to start somewhere, finally, and this is a terrific place for it to start.

[me b zola]

134. He looked quite upset

by the end of his remarks. Yes, I believe the Dem's are beginning to realize just how badly they have been deceived...and most of them are torqued.

[realFedUp]

48. Dayton's been very clear about saying he doesn't like being lied to

When the Senators on the "Intelligence" committee are gleaning
their facts from newspapers and not in committee...you know
they've been punked by the Bushies.

[toymachines]

63. hutch is just talking a bunch of nonsense

How the hell do the pugs just dismiss massive amounts of lying to the people that they "represent". No one should be able to just skip over that fact.

[MuseRider]

80. Well, they can't now just dismiss it

without their constituancy wondering about it thanks to the Dems with courage.

[ohioliberal]

39. Sen. Hutchinson

Can kiss my liberal ass!!! what a complete idiot.

[rodeodance]

45. Kay wrote a book--"American Herions"---Condi is one of them!! uga

[Chomskyite]

43. Kay Bailey

Just killing time here. She seems unprepared. Now she's plugging her own book.

[blueblitzkrieg]

44. Kay yakking about Condi at Stanford...now plugging her book

What about the past 4 years though, kay, you fool?

[liveoaktx]

50. B-H had already decided at the beginining to support the Iraq War

She's one of my senators and I wrote her to express how I wanted her to vote on the Iraq War Resolution- she wrote back some blather that showed me she didn't give a hoot about anything but war.

[Avalux]

51. Whaaaat?

Provost = SOS according to Kay. :crazy:

[rodeodance]

52. Kay talking a lot of Condi "managerial" skills--yes, I would say she

"manages" things quite well!!---down the tube!!

[rodeodance]

Kay says Condi had the "trusted ear of the President"-- te he

[KurtNYC]

60. The nut just did the Al Queda = Iraq thing

said Condi was "unflappable" - as in unflappable liar?

[kentuck]

49. Kaye Bailey Hutchinson would make one think...

that Condi Rice could make chocolate chip cookies out of dried up bullshit.

[buzzard]

57. Her recipe is one I don't want it is one of disaster. n/t

[underpants]

58. "What do foreign leaders WANT in a Secretary of State?"

First they don't want someone who just reads the script full of lies.

Also, since when does the manly man Bush care what foreign leaders want? Is this new?

[eek]

79. ahem, uh. KAye bailey honey..

I appreciate you taking time out of your book tour today but I think you are a teensy bit mixed up on something: Condi was instrumental in , not being fabolous after the tragic events of 9/11 , rather she was instrumental in CAUSING the attacks on 9-11 (remember the "I think it was called Bin Ladin Determined to Attack Inside the United States" speech?).

Oh: one more thing: you are a f*cking toadie bitch from hell.

[GoSolar]

109. She certainly is one of those.

So is Condi...

[tishaLA]

54. Is K.B. Hutchinson the dumbest member of the Senate?

She is such a sycophant, but I can't tell whether it's based on idiocy or something else. "I am so proud to support her....this woman who is unflappable....through trying questioning." Jesus.

[rodeodance]

62. its what happens when one becomes a lapdog to the WH!! it breeds

stupidity!!

[realFedUp]

65. just being a "good" Republican

hey, they gotta get their pork and PAC.

[realFedUp]

56. Dole says it's hard work keeping track of one's lies...

well, not exactly but said it was hard
work being in front of these confirmation
hearings...

gads, how weak can an argument be.....

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

61. What planet does Kay Bailey Hutchinson live on?

What a shill. Boy, do I feel sorry for you people in Texas.

KBH please STFU

[rodeodance]

68. Sen Salazar (Dem) Colorado--he will say YES!! crapo!!

[rodeodance]

76. will break soon and conven again at 2;15 ET**

[CWebster]

He can shut up now

what's the point of any "buts"?

[Connie_Corleone]

64. Don't forget to buy Kay's book...

"American Heroin"

[feminazi]

69. fuck salazar

***

[kentuck]

70. Ken "Nighthorse" Salazar ?

My worst fear...

[liberalpragmatist]

83. I'm disappointed, but I'd give him some time

Senators rarely try to make waves when they first start, they try to be conciliatory and "bipartisan."

And I wouldn't take confirmation votes as evidence of party loyalty - remember, Feingold voted for Ashcroft and may vote for Rice and he's one of our best senators.

Judge our public servants by a full evaluation, not just the last vote.

[liveoaktx]

99. Baloney! Salazar introduced Gonzales at his AG hearing

Gave *Torture Pimp* warm support
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6796407/

[realFedUp]

71. Salazar wimped

[liveoaktx]

77. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-

[realFedUp]

84. but he has "concerns"

yeah, what else do you want with that baloney
and cheese?

[toymachines]

89. salazar has a "patriotic abligation" to vote yay

ya that makes sense. use the word the way it is intended. they have dragged that wonderful word through the mud for too long.

[rqstnnlitnmnt]

92. we represent the people...err...

just those that voted for bush, screw the majority of americans

salazar's now on my shitlist..what a phony

[blueblitzkrieg]

72. Salazar voting for Rice nt

[underpants]

73. Salazar says YES to Condi

Freshman

[Justitia]

74. Oh Great - Salazar says upfront - YES to Rice - thanks for nothing pete!

Now sit down and shut up.

[Avalux]

75. BOOOOO! Salazar......yes

Doing it for his constituents he says.

[rodeodance]

81. Salazar says there has been a lack of candor regarding our troops

[katinmn]

87. lack of candor = lies

[Avalux]

95. Then why can't he just say "lies" and vote against?

"lack of candor" doesn't cut it.

[Skidmore]

78. Ken, we don't consent.

[ClayZ]

82. Supports the TROOPS?

SURE...........send more to say they are sitting there trying not to get shot!

[rodeodance]

88. paper says troops will stay another 2 years--troubling to faimilies and

troops says Salazar. IMO--it is more than troubling!!

[rodeodance]

96. says we are borrowing money from foreign governments to pay for this war

and for other programs. such as Health care!! made a list of "troubling" problems with WH--but will still vote yes!!

[Wiley50]

113. We'll never leave until we extract the last drop of oil

Never intended to.

[E_Smith]

94. Salazar: "you guys lie like hell, but screw it"

[liveoaktx]

85. The argument that the Pres deserves his choice-what about the people?

This country is supposed to be responsive to the PEOPLE, not the President. If someone is not competent to be SOS, he or she doesn't deserve to be confirmed, regardless of what the president might want.

[Skidmore]

91. Advise and consent is the Congresses duty, yes. However,

their other duty is to give that advice and consent after hearing the people.

[realFedUp]

93. yeah, tell that to your "representative"

we have got to get out in the streets.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

90. "...a general lack of candor..." So you're supporting that? COWARD.

[ClayZ]

Intelligence failure is a communicable disease obviously

And he got it!

[rodeodance]

100. boy is he misinformed about Condi--he trusts she has learned

about 'candor". crapo!!

[underpants]

104. ~"Despite the overwhelming evidence I just pointed out.....

:eyes:

Salazar didn't say that but he should have.

[underpants]

110. I nrecess until 2:30 okay please open Kay Bailey' book to page 35.....

Who would like to read first?

[tishaLA]

98. Boy Salazar shows how WEAK Coors was as a candidate

If Coors could lose to someone with this kind of charisma deficit, he must have REALLY REALLY sucked. Well, that and the fact he's a Nazi...

[realFedUp]

101. I'd love to see this guy's stand when he's really concerned....

What will it take for these Senators to
finally wake up? A nuclear bomb?

[fooj]

102. Colorado...you know what to do!

is salazar really speaking for you? What a coward!

[rodeodance]

105. yes, the ending of this session was bleak (with Salazar)!!

[fooj]

Flood C-span with calls!!! Lets make our voices heard!!!!

[katinmn]

107. http://www.senate.gov/

[ClayZ]

120. Salzar Page has no email!

But you can call, and I did!

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

GIVE THEM YOUR OPINION!

[fooj]

135. Right on!

[mountainvue]

116. No. I knew we were in trouble when he kissed Alberto

Gonzales's ass in those hearings.

[paulk]

138. don't tell us what to do.

Liberal Democrats who supported Salazar knew full well what they were getting - a centrist moderate capable of winning office in a red state. I don't expect Salazar to speak for me more than half the time - but that is still preferable to Pete Coors, who would speak for me zero percent of the time.

[mountainvue]

143. Once upon a time we had people like Gary Hart

and Pat Schroeder. What happened?

[paulk]

144. what happened -

We had not only Gary Hart but Tim Wirth elected to the Senate, along with Democratic Governors Dick Lamm then Roy Romer. At the time there were more registered Democrats than Republicans in Colorado -

I used to have the exact time frame and the numbers written down, but now I can't find it - anyway, over a period of time, we had a huge influx of people moving here to take advantage of the cheap real estate - up till the late nineties anyway - many were Republicans from southern California - the joke was that half of Orange County had moved here. Now there are almost 200,000 more registered Republicans. Worst, many of these new Republicans are hard line fundie conservatives, who engineered a takeover of the more moderate old Colorado Republican party.

We can still elect liberals in Co 1 and 2 (Denver/Boulder), but its pretty difficult anywhere else.

Hopefully the takeover of the Statehouse by the Democrats this last election is a sign the scales are starting to tip back our way.

[bvar22]

106. DING!!! RECESS!!!!!

Meet you in the yard by the swings.
What did your mom make you for lunch?

Wanna trade for a peanutbutter and jelly?

BTW: Boooo Salazar.

[katinmn]

108. I'm gonna go play in the slush. See ya after recess!

[rodeodance]

114. Rice raised hand and said the oath (reply of last week Rice opening

statement right now .

[fooj]

112. Colorado-get rid of Salazar!

What the hell is the matter with that spineless wimp!

[fooj]

115. I just want to make it perfectly clear...

Condi Rice does NOT represent California... a fellow Californian, my ass!

[rodeodance]

118. Boxer and Byrd to speak after the recess

[fooj]

130. Get ready for a real doozy!! Popcorn, anyone? Woo hoo!

[eek]

122. hey Colorado constituents

be sure and disabuse your Freshman Senatot of the notion that he is representing you by voting FOR her.



Wish I knew anyone in CO so I could bug them to call his office. Alas, no.

[fooj]

131. We are citizens of this country...we can e-mail and call his office!!

He supposedly "represents" Co., but in doing so he represents us all! The worthless puke!

[shadowknows69]

117. both CLinton's and Schumer's office gave me runaround answers

Schumer: hasn't read the briefing on that or made a decision.(same BS answer I got about the Ohio vote issue and still haven't received my promised response about that)

Clinton: didn't have any information on that yet.

I tried again. Too bad the system is broke.

[rodeodance]

119. what information were you asking Clinton's office for?

[rodeodance]

121. was Dayton (MN, Dem) the only one to use the word 'lie"??

[eek]

124. So what's next? A full Senate vote? Tomorrow?

???

[JohnOneillsMemory]

139. I think so. Isn't it against Senate rules to call a Sen a liar?

I think this is why they lie so much, they can't be called out for it.

That rule should be changed. DU has more integrity despite disruptors and flaming than the Senate because of this rule.

[shadowknows69]

128. just asked her people if she had any plans

to stand with other democratic senators against Condi's confirmation.

[ClayZ]

123. Call Salazar [phone]

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senat...

[Acryliccalico]

125. They should be more afraid of us

We have the power in our collective thinking and action (vote). If we ever get it back. Action if we don't. :kick: Is it me but every time I see Condi's face my stomach turns. She talks a good talk but actions speak LOUDER!!! :puke:

[fooj]

133. You know, I agree with you...WE DO HAVE THE POWER!!!

One way or another...those bastards will rue the day they fucked with this country! Guaranteed!

[ClayZ]

136. Tripple the Protest size on March 19th

Take it to the streets! Show the WORLD!

[ClayZ]

137. Wake up those who are BRAINWASHED

PROTEST!

[Roland99]

127. Rice is bleating...

"accelerate reforms already under way"


blah blah lie blah talking point blah

[ClayZ]

129. Truth?

Justice and Dignity... ARGH she wouldn't know the three if they walked up and asked her for spare change!

[Roland99]

132. Sounds like she's slamming Bush!

Saying Americans should learn about other cultures and learn to speak other languages.


Seems they should have practiced what they preach now before they invaded Iraq. It's the lack of knowledge about Iraq and its culture and language that led these ideologues to think an invasion would be a walk in the park. It's that same ignorance that led to 70-90% of prisoners being innocent (see the Extra Features of the Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD with the Swedish reporter going on house-to-house searches in Samarra.)

[realFedUp]

140. AND WE'RE BACK.....

ok, batter up.

[Skidmore]

141. Continue Thread #3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1527872

[ClayZ]

142. S W E E T N E S S ? ? ? ? ?