I Guess We Don't Have Evan Bayh To Kick Around Any More...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I wonder how many other Dems will step up to the plate....


He's looking pretty good to me in 08.....

[Justitia]

1. I will give credit where credit is due. Thank you Sen Bayh!

Let's make this a sea change, okay?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. This Helps To Establish His Bonafides With The Base...

I can think of worse nominees in 08....

[demwing]

3. Please Clarify For Us Cube Rats?

Is this in regards to the Rice confirmation hearings?

What was said?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. He Gave Her The Big Nyet

eom

[moggie12]

11. No shit - Bayh's going to vote no???!!!!

Did he specifically say that??

[babylonsister]

22. Yep, Bayh's a big fat no!

[Walt Starr]

5. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day

Sorry, this may merit an attaboy, but it takes 100 attaboys to get one gold star and one "ah shit" revokes 100 gold stars.

[John_H]

16. This is (inadvertantly?) the best description of how DU

operates these days I have ever read: It takes a hundred attaboys to even get considered for DU approved "progressive" status. But if you do one single thing that fails to pass the muster of the Progressive Police your former status of Hero of the Revolution is forever revoked. Just ask Obama, Hillary, and Feingold.

[AntiCoup2K4]

18. Big difference among those three

Feingold's record is progressive, which makes his occasional fuckup more noticeable, though not neccessarily a deal breaker for all of us.

Hillary has now established a pattern of DLC/corporatist/Likud selling out, culminated in such blatant ass kissing as giving Junior a standing ovation during his State of the Union when he LIED about Iraq being the "central front in the war on terra" and her more recent imitation of a Shaun Cassidy groupie while the Lawrence Welk flunkie sang Asscrotch's hymn to fascism.

Obama's too new to have a record yet, but for someone who showed such promise coming in to the Senate, it's not encouraging to see him sell out so quickly.

As for Bayh, call him the anti-Feingold for terms of this comparison. Evan may have done good here, but it hardly excuses all the wrong he has done as one of the leaders of Sellouts International a.k.a. the DLC.

[Walt Starr]

20. Well said, to use my attaboy/goldstar/ahshit analogy...

Feingold has hundreds of gold stars, he can afford a few ahshits.

Hillary is in the negatives on gold stars, but occasionally gets an attaboy.

Obama came into office with a few hundred gold stars due to his promise, but he's been burning through them rather quickly

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Why Is HRC A Likud Symp And Not Feingold....

Come up with one Senate vote on Israel/Palestine where Hillary Clinton and Russ Feingold were on opposite sides and I'll donate $50.00 to DU...


People throw words around on this site like boquets....

[Walt Starr]

21. This is how politics works

and why most elections are noseholdinglesseroftwoevil exercises.

[jswordy]

24. And in the big picture...

...who cares about that status? I don't see the pols hanging around here trying to curry favor with this group!

;-)

Measure twice, cut once...ya know???

[JI7]

6. i wonder if that was part of his intention

he knows there is a lot of talk about reaching out to red states and as someone who is popular and been elected many times in a very red state he has a certain asset he can use to show he can be competitive during the primary.

but first he needs to do a few things to get through the primary to show he is still mostl a Democrat.

of course i could be wrong and it has nothing to do with presidential aspirations. i personally don't care whether it does or doesn't. as i'm sure many of the conservative things he votes for has to do with being from a conservative state more than personal beliefs.

also, while evan bayh has always been a nice looking man, i found him to be very attractive today. i was never really into him before.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Astute Analysis...

It is kind of a free vote... Votes on cabinet mominees are an exercise in inside baseball... Nobody remembers who voted against a cabinet nominee......

This helps him with the base which imho is good because I think he would be a decent nominee in 08; much stronger than Hillary and arguably one of the strongest nominees we could nominate...

[suziedemocrat]

17. I don't think Bayh has ever liked Condi - he's criticized her for years.

Right after 9/11 he was on Larry King refuting her statement that "No one had any idea they would use planes as weapons." He was the first person I heard talking about how - well - they should have known because it had been tried before in Europe. Even at a summit that Bush attended. He is pretty liberal on some things that would surprise people. I think he gets an unfair rap. He's no Boxer - but he is not Lieberman either. Indiana is a conservative state - but I think even the right-wingers don't tolerate incompetence and/or lies so well. I thought Lugar gave a fairly luke-warm endorsement of Rice. (Also - I'm not so sure Bayh REALLY wants to run for President - he's got a pretty good gig now - and it's fairly low stress.)

[barbaraann]

7. But now we've got Salazar.

What a disappointment.

[Justitia]

8. and what an AWFUL speaker. Pull the plug, please. -eom

[bloom]

10. I'm still kicking him...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1527398

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I Saw Your Post...

It seems like a false dichotomy you're setting up...


No senator is going to stand up and say we went to Iraq to steal their oil or make the M E safe for Israel...


Almost all the folks who oppose this war will not accept that Bush waged the war for malevolent reasons but waged it out of a misguided notion......


You can convince a majority of Americans that Bush is misguided but good luck if you think you can convince a majority of Americans Bush is evil....

[bloom]

13. My point was more

that after listening to Kennedy, Dayton, and Levin actually list many reasons why Rice is not suitable for the job - Bayh gets up there and makes nearly no argument at all.

He might as well have said that he was fine with having a lying Secretary of State.

Anyone who supports him for president at any time is out to lunch as far as I'm concerned.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I Thought Bayh Cited All Her False Statements And Poor Judgement

And Concluded She Lacked The Wisdom Necessary To Become Secretary Of State...

[bloom]

15. All I heard him take issue with

was how the war was fought. Not enough troops. Got rid of Iraqi Army....

If Fox uses it on their program as an example of the arguments against Rice - it would make the Dems look pretty stupid.

[robbedvoter]

19. That's the standard? One good vote and 2008? Geez!

I am sure eveb Joementum can accomplish that some day...

[realFedUp]

25. talkingpointsmemo.com still puts Bayh in the Fainthearted Faction

on SS...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

scroll down a bit to read Bayh's comments
on social security.

[suziedemocrat]

26. That's unfair - clearly he is waiting to state his position.

Whats so terrible about that? He NEVER said he agrees with the President on Social Security. People here need to chill a little.