Official thread #4, Rice Confirmation Debate, Senator Byrd up now:

[anarchy1999]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1527872&mesg_id=1527872

it was seconded a new thread be started, and Skidmore wasn't quick enough, this in on behalf of all dial up users.

[ohioliberal]

1. Thanks

my finger was getting tired scrolling.

[Roland99]

2. Fulfill that Constitutional duty, Sen. Byrd!

[Magleetis]

3. Byrd

is great. Too bad there are not more like him. He makes me proud. He is wise.

[American Tragedy]

4. National Security report Sept. 2002

"The president lays claim to an expansive power to attack other nations first even if we have not been threatened"

[oldtime dfl_er]

5. Byrd rocks

the older he gets the more coherent and compassionate he is.


www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[American Tragedy]

6. No single man could be trusted with such an awesome power

This preemptive doctrine puts the sole power of war in the president, undermines the constitutional power of congress

[realFedUp]

9. I will miss his references to the Constitution when he's gone

hope some other Senator will take up the
role.

[caligirl]

7. Boxer contact info. if you want to thank her AGAIN!!

Washington D.C.
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
[phone]

Sacramento
501 I Street, Suite 7-600
Sacramento, CA 95814
[phone]
[phone] fax

San Francisco
1700 Montgomery Street, Suite 240
San Francisco, CA 94111
[phone]
[phone] fax

Los Angeles
312 N. Spring Street, Suite 1748
Los Angeles, CA 90012
[phone]
[phone] fax

Fresno
1130 O Street, Suite 2450
Fresno, CA 93721
[phone]
[phone] fax

San Diego
600 B Street, Suite 2240
San Diego, CA 92101
[phone]
[phone] fax

Inland Empire
201 North E Street, Suite 210
San Bernardino, CA 92401
[phone]
(909) 888-861

[babylonsister]

8. Hopefully this is a shot heard round the world!

I hope every nation hears Byrd and believes this is the opinion of the majority of Americans. He is great!

[realFedUp]

10. Matters of common sense....

Experience must be our only guide.

[CWebster]

11. Interesting that he observed that the times dictate

the Senators' responsibility...Feingold.

[eek]

14. Let's blast the Senate

(I'm re-posting this since it got buried in #3)

I propose a blast to the Senate:



I'm gonna send a fax/note/email to all the Senators that says, simply:


Dear Senator So and So,

Before you vote on Ms. Rice's appointment as Secretary of State I urge you to carefully consider the following:

"I believe the title was 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Respectfully,

Bla Bla


Anyone with me?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

12. !! "NSA mention of small-C constitution, compliment or obituary?" WOW!!

[American Tragedy]

13. Give em hell, Bob

In December of 2002 when everybody was in lockstep and I felt like I was losing my mind, this is the guy who validated my concerns.

[stevedeshazer]

18. Bingo

Me, too. I learned that at least one Senator remembered the Constitution they are sworn to uphold.

[eek]

35. OK I just sent this to Lugar:

Dear Senator Lugar,

Thank you for your calm and steady leadership during the confirmation hearings for Dr, Rice.

Before you vote on Ms. Rice's appointment as Secretary of State I urge you to carefully consider the following:

"I believe the title was 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Can you honestly, in good conscience, vote in her favour?
I dearly hope not.


Respectfully,

My name here
Milwaukee ,WI resident
Patriotic citizen of the USA

[rodeodance]

116. good memo--badger

[anarchy1999]

15. It's time once again to call and to thank him. Man the phones everyone.

Maybe flowers are in order again. Did I hear correctly, he has an hour?

http://byrd.senate.gov/

Byrd, Robert - (D - WV) Class I
311 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]

[Untouchedalarm]

17. Done

[American Tragedy]

21. I'll be working on that later today

Senators deserve to be positively reinforced for doing the right thing. Maybe others will catch on!

[babylonsister]

33. Yes, I also heard 1 hour for Byrd, 1 for Boxer.

[anarchy1999]

77. I just made the call, everyone call and say thank you. We will be

recognized! The elected officials that stand up as Byrd is doing will go down in our history as those that made one last stand for our founding fathers and our "democracy".

[seafan]

16. Byrd, the voice of truth

"Dr. Rice is responsible for some of the most overblown rhetoric used to scare the American people to convince them that Iraq was an imminent threat."

(paraphrased)

[sabra]

19. Iraq's nucluer program was/is fiction!

Go go go....

[American Tragedy]

20. Statements deliberately misrepresented the inner controversy

'Dr. Rice's statements were not only wrong, but they did not reflect the intelligence of the time'

[King Coal]

22. Do you think Byrd knows about PNAC?

[Roland99]

24. I sure wish *SOMEONE* would start exposing Feith and Wolfowitz

and the Pentagon's OSP besides just Seymour Hersh.

[anarchy1999]

29. Yes, of course he does.

n/t He recognizes all the criminals back in this administration. We got rid of them once, why are they back again?

[buzzard]

32. I think if any US Senator isn't aware then they are truly out of touch,

PNAC isn't new.

[realFedUp]

39. DUers sent his office materials early on

when he took a stand against the authority
to invade Iraq.

[Tinoire]

157. I personally assure you he does ;) n/t

[Roland99]

23. Uncovering Rice's attempts to link Saddam to Al Qaeda and 9/11

[emdee]

25. Is any channel broadcasting it? Thanks. n/t

n/t

[Roland99]

26. C-SPAN 2

http://www.c-span.org

http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx

[babylonsister]

27. Yes. CSPAN2. nt

[sabra]

28. CSPAN

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[rodeodance]

cheeze--why not tell us someone is starting another thread?

[ohioliberal]

38. They did on the official thread #3.

[realFedUp]

31. Just Cspan 2 as far as I can tell...no network or cable "news" stations

[Kota]

30. What about MSM?

[rodeodance]

36. "reckless doctine of preemptive war" says Byrd

[WarNoMore]

34. He's using Condi's words to decimate her.

Go Senator Byrd. I love his sense and devotion to the Constitution.

[rodeodance]

37. consequence is now --insurgents streaming into Iraq--

[rodeodance]

40. Condi's role also extends to WH "failed efforts to establish peace"

[rodeodance]

41. Rice was in charge of "stableization" efforts in Iraq (which she failed)

[rodeodance]

43. not stableized --lead to deaths and horrible wounds for our troops!!

[rodeodance]

46. boy, he is laying it on thick --blaming Condi for lack of stableization.

I do not think others mentioned this unless it was in passing.

[American Tragedy]

42. 1368. More than 10,000 wounded.

[realFedUp]

44. I sure wouldn't want the responsibility of the devastation and deaths

in Iraq on my shoulders, because of my lies.

shame on them all.

[Untouchedalarm]

56. It is a shame

As long as they profit from war. They could care less about loss lives.

[anarchy1999]

45. "That's $149 dollars for every minute since Jesus Christ was born"?

unbelievable.

[stevedeshazer]

48. That was a great line

[Justitia]

50. that was one for the books! -eom

[rodeodance]

51. Richard Clark wanted urgent meeting on the threat of al-quida but Condi

not schedule the meeting till too late.

[sunnystarr]

134. I remember Clarke was rebuffed and she refused to meet with him. (nt)

[JohnOneillsMemory]

47. "war cost=$1?? for every minute since Jesus Christ was born"--!!!!!!

The cost of the Crusades.

[realFedUp]

49. This will be a good speech to read

His voice puts me to sleep a bit but
love what he's saying.

[rodeodance]

53. asks why was not action not taken when reports say that bin laden was

determined to strike in the US?? He continues with her failures.

[realFedUp]

52. Could more have been done in the months leading up to 9/11...

and we're not talking about clearing tumbleweeds...
if ya catch my drift.

[rodeodance]

59. says Kay--described the Nat. Sec Council as the "dog that didn't bark"

I had forgotten that one!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

54. 9/11! citing Richard Clarke's frustration, Condi lying about what was know

Citing the 8/6/01 briefing that Osama was gonna attack

[sabra]

55. 9/11

I am so happy that he is bringing up the defencies from 9/11!

[realFedUp]

57. "the dog that didn't bark"

[seafan]

58. More from Byrd

"The infamous 'meeting' between Atta and an Iraqi has now been debunked!"

"On March 9, 2003, Rice said "Now, al-Qaeda is dispersed but has had clear links to the Iraqis and we don't want Saddam to say one day that he has has 'enough' of dealing with America, and decide to release a 'vial'.""



"This has been an abuse of intelligence in order to provoke an Iraq war."


"...Dr. Rice's role in failing to establish peace when she took the helm of the "Iraq Stabilization Group"..... 1368 American deaths as of today. The cost of the war has spiraled to 149 billion, and the administration is getting ready to ask for 80 billion more."


(paraphrased)

[anarchy1999]

60. This has the potential to go down as his greatest speech ever. I'm in

awe. Everyone should be listening and/or watching. If you can't catch it live then when the transcript is up, you have to read it.

[rodeodance]

61. wonder if the Republicans (and Dems ) are really-listening!!

[buzzard]

64. I hope so I'm a Canadian and I am watching. n/t

[fooj]

70. Welcome!! What do you think about Byrd? He's a REAL Patriot!

[rodeodance]

65. talking of the "failures of the Nat. Security Council" before the Senate

votes!!!! Accountability is not an option!!

[Skidmore]

69. It is hard to even visualize how morally bankrupt the Rs have to

be to unflinchingly stand before the people and back this administration in all its lies. To be active participants in the destruction of so many people's lives. It is even harder to admit how many morally bankrupt Dems stood by and, either by omission or comission, lent their consent to this mess.

[babylonsister]

63. Yep, point by point, he's going after

all the deceit that's transpired in this admin, not just Condi. He has nothing to lose and will gain our undying gratitude and esteem.

[realFedUp]

74. I thought his speech against invading Iraq was more passionate

but this one certainly ties everything up.

[demgrrrll]

156. I wept when I saw how his hands shook when he reached for the glass

of water. If that man can stand for us with his health challenges we can sure get off our dead asses and fight with him.

[fooj]

62. God Bless Senator Byrd! He's going over EVERYTHING!!!

[rodeodance]

67. the WH "loathes" accountability--continue to cling to myths and mis-

perceptions!!!!!

[rodeodance]

71. the only thing that the Pres says he is accountable for was on election

day and his policies

[Occulus]

72. he's using every oratory trick in the book

This man is a master of the spoken word. Wow.

[fooj]

66. Accountability is not a negotiable commodity...

[buzzard]

73. I love this man, he is astute. n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

68. "accountability is an obligation, not a luxury..."

...and disaster has been rewarded...

[rodeodance]

76. believes someone needs to be held accountable--bellicouse foreign

policy!! at alieates our allies!!

[rodeodance]

81. Bush-his speech "rattled the sappers" and nations who are not free

[realFedUp]

79. good line

as many of these are.

[berner59]

92. wow...he is great...

The other Dem Senators better be listening hard...WAKE UP!!! How can anyone in good faith of their states vote her in???

[GreenArrow]

75. I hope Condi's watching!

:evilgrin:

[Skidmore]

78. You know she is.

[anarchy1999]

88. You really think so? I'm not so sure.

n/t

[GreenArrow]

103. would be fun to be a fly on the wall

in the viewing room!

[buzzard]

82. I do as well, he expresses the views of much of the outside world.

[stevedeshazer]

90. Her chest is heaving right now.

[realFedUp]

98. she's having that gold-threaded burka made up

for those receptions in Saudi Arabia...

[Roland99]

80. "Belligerent, bellicose foreign policy"

[rodeodance]

85. "she has a record and the record is there for us to judge" !!!

[stevedeshazer]

83. Unprecedented decline in world opinion

Are we casting our lot for more belligerence?

[babylonsister]

"Provocative, belligerent, bellicose, unilateral foreign

policy." Say THAT 3 times fast! What a guy!

[realFedUp]

89. "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde foreign policy"

oh yeah.

[rodeodance]

91. his (bush)" bullying" tactics

[realFedUp]

84. "She has a record" n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. So, will he or won't he?

I say he's a NO vote! Go, Senator Byrd! He's just awesome!

[babylonsister]

99. A DEFINITE NO!

[seafan]

87. More from Byrd

"Policies based on phantom WMD's have been rewarded by the President."

"The ONLY notion of accountability this President has beeen willing to acknowledge has been this past election... saying that it was 'an endorsement' of his policies."

"Failure has described our policy over the past 4 years."

"...Our provocative, bellicose, belligerent and unilateralist foreign policy..."

"Which face of this Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde will be reared in the next 4 years???"


(paraphrased)

[sabra]

94. " Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde "

That one was great!

[rodeodance]

97. of course not!!

[Roland99]

93. "To confirm Dr. Rice as SoS is to say to the American people...

that these questions are unimportant."

[babylonsister]

95. I hope Biden is hanging his head in shame.

Are they allowed to change their vote? I can dream, no?!x(

[CWebster]

And Obama.

and Feingold.

[rodeodance]

102. "I cast my vote in opposition"--says Byrd! YEAH

[Untouchedalarm]

131. I was wondering the same thing

[ElsewheresDaughter]

96. "$149 per minutes since Jesus was born has been spent on this war"

i'm having trouble wrapping my brain around that one!
how many minutes have pasted since this event?
i'm so lousy at math

[buzzard]

101. He called her warm and congenial??

[rodeodance]

108. I suspect she can be when she sees fit to be that way

[Occulus]

126. if I go by when I started looking for the answer a few minutes ago,

it's 1,050,453,565. I think.

[American Tragedy]

100. "The stakes for the United States are too high

I cannot endorse an official that takes our great nation down the path of increasing isolation..and a war that has no end! When will our boys come home???"

[katinmn]

104. Wow. Byrd hit a home run.

[blueblitzkrieg]

105. SNOREEEEEEEE

more biographical sketches from hagel

[CWebster]

115. Hard act to follow

back to the script.

[realFedUp]

106. "and I will cast my vote against Condeleeza Rice as Secretary of State"

Thank you Senator.

[Untouchedalarm]

Staying on message

Republicans always stick together and stay on the same message. We have learned that too. Condi lies

[realFedUp]

137. generally yes. n/t

Sometimes one of the moderate Republicans
surprise me with their honesty...but not
often.

[fooj]

107. OK, 1 more time...Who gives a rat's ass about her personal story!

[BR_Parkway]

120. As much as the ReThugs hate any type of Affirmative Action - their

whole arguement seems to be "she started out as a poor black child...look how far she's come"

[SnoopDog]

109. I nominate the great Senator Mr. Byrd to...

be honored in thankyoupatriot.com.

[katinmn]

111. I second that

[fooj]

122. I'm with you!

[Dinger]

152. Byrd For Prez in 2008!

Why not?

[SnoopDog]

155. He is a man who speaks his mind and ..

is honorable. I wish ** had just 1% of his character.

I think Mr. Byrd would not want to run for president - maybe a few years ago...

He sure is a pillar amongst our Congressmen and women!

[seafan]

110. "When will our boys come home??"

"When will they be able to sit down again with their families?"

(paraphrased)

[American Tragedy]

125. "in a war that has no end!"

:cry:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

112. Whose the Repub rising in support after that scathing indictment?

again citing that she's an accomplished musician...LOL.

[Justitia]

130. hee, hee

:nopity:

[frylock]

113. (up)chuck hagel: condi is an accomplished musician..

drink up, everybody.

[quiet.american]

118. Good, I'll book her for my cousin' s wedding,

--but on SoS, I vote no!

[frylock]

128. elton john for sos..

I never realized that playing the piano was a requirment for the position.

[quiet.american]

153. You know what -- why not Elton John --

I'm sure he has a better relationship with more world leaders than anyone else in this administration!

[frylock]

158. beautiful!

:bounce:

[blueblitzkrieg]

119. LoL, when he said that I rolled my eyes

we get, she plays the piano :eyes:

[jdonaldball]

123. AND she can wiggle her ears!

[frylock]

135. that's just a nervous tic..

along with her bobble head and quavering voice.

[realFedUp]

114. Mr. Hagel on the plate

playing the bio card again....they really
can't defend her record at the NSA.

[rodeodance]

121. must be terrible to follow Byrd

[realFedUp]

124. must be terrible to keep reading the same Rethuglican talking points

how embarrassing.

[fooj]

132. No kidding! They don't have anything to stand on!

[fooj]

127. Boo Hoo Hoo!!!

[pdxmom]

136. I can't hear what's happening, but following along on DU

and I can't believe that not one single Repub. can actually defend her time hold the position of NSA. They've talked about her ice skating, piano playing, speaking Russian, but I haven't heard any of those words that would make me trust her as SOS -- Words like honorable, integrity, reasonable, rational, calm, honest, trusted, etc. Have any of those words been used by the Repubs?

[fooj]

117. Grace? Time for diplomacy is now? What about the last 4 years?

[rodeodance]

129. Hagel said the Senate is the place for debate of foreign policy.

I am waiting for him to drop the shoe and say something like--but not at this time!!!! We will see.

[robbedvoter]

147. "The tsunami was a great opportunity, big dividends for us"

[JohnOneillsMemory]

133. Hey-GO TO THREAD #5 TO CONTINUE

as a continuition after Senator Byrd's fine comments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1528090&mesg_id=1528090&page=

[nickinSTL]

141. the link links back to this

thread

[fooj]

138. But that asshole doesn't want to hear any bad news...

[Acryliccalico]

139. Hagel's comments sound hollow and

actually anti-American. Am I wrong? :kick: Does he actually expect the US to continue chasing illusions and build up a debt that will make us a 3rd world country??? :kick:

[realFedUp]

140. Mr. Allen on the plate

yeah, yeah...

[realFedUp]

142. You'd think no other nominee went to college or played the piano

It's kind of embarrassing to keep pointing
out she got an education....yeah, so did lots
of other people of all colors.

[rodeodance]

143. Sen . Hagel said he would confirm (no surprize)

[sunnystarr]

144. After hearing Byrd's moving oration about the facts regarding Rice

every Dem should vote NO. I don't know if there's time to let them know that we the people will hold them accountable for any yes votes. Byrd was so moving and so right I just wish that his speech could reach every American.

[stevedeshazer]

DRONE: George Allen

Representing the "intellectually challenged" faction of the Republican majority.

[Mist]

145. Sen. Allen R. of Virginia says:

"She's an American dream." More like a Rethug wet-dream.

[seafan]

146. Hagel, the Repub who has deep ties to ES&S electronic voting.

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

149. ES&S....... the reason he's in office.

He stole the election in 2000 with HIS machines.

[quiet.american]

154. Thank you! n/t

[E_Smith]

148. Allen's speech reminds me of Halliburton commercial

"It's a war zone, of course there will be problems!"

[RuleofLaw]

151. Allen is trying justufy the war, in the absence of any WMD.

He is forgetting, however, that under International Law, which the US is bound to follow, there are only three reasons for a legitimate war:

1. Self-defense
2. Authorized by the UN Security Council.
3. To prevent Genocide.

None of these reason exist, thus the war was illegal.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

150. Link to #5 thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1528373#1528400

[Mist]

159. Boxer up now!

"Nothing will prevent me from doing my constitutional job."