Does anyone seriously think that Hillary Clinton could win in 2008?

[Cyrano]

Assuming we are still a democracy and still have the right to vote, I believe that Hillary Clinton would be the worst candidate we could possibly run.

This doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see her in the White House. I just think that Marie Antoinette would stand a better chance.

The Rethugs have spent 10 years savaging her and there is no way that so-called "middle America" would vote for her. There's virtually no way to change the image of her that the Rethugs have carefully constructed: A left-wing, welfare-state, opinionated, emasculating, uppity bitch who changes her hairdo every day, and is probably a thief even though Ken Starr couldn't prove it. And, oh yeah, let's not forget that she probably killed Vince Foster.

The '08 election is almost four years away, so if we're looking for a winner, let's start thinking about someone like Barbara Boxer who has a bigger pair than any male democrat in sight. And other's will surface. Four years is a long time (and under Bush will seem like a century).

But if we want to win back the White House, please, please forget about Hillary.

[Drifter]

1. No chance ...

she is as polarizing as Bush, and perhaps more so.

While I would love for Clinton to regain the WH back for the Dems, I personally do not think it is going to happen.

Cheers
Drifter

[Quixote1818]

24. She could win, no doubt about it. Think about the following:

She is Polarizing but she is hated really by only about 35% of the electorate. That 35% really hates her just as 35% of us really hate Bush yet he was still able to get elected. To those in the middle Hillary is a huge name not to mention she is just as smart if not smarter than Bill. I would say that 65% of the electorate would give her a fair shot with 35% hating her guts for no real reason.

Think about it, Bill was extremely polerizing yet he always carried abound a 60% aproval rating no matter how much the right hated him. I would say Hillary would be in about the same position.

However, I am a Clark supporter ALL THE WAY but I have absolutely no doubt Hillary could win. No doubt!

[juajen]

41. I'm with you Quixote

Didn't she recently (within the last two years) win the most admired woman in the world poll. Honestly, women like her for many reasons, one of which is that she didn't divorce Bill. Her courage during that time endeared her to a lot of people. I seriously think she could be the first female president, and what a First Hubbie!!! Plus, she's brilliant and warm, and has a hell of a lot of experience. Consider the years in the Governor's mansion, then the White House, now the Senate. Also, did I mention she's brilliant and personable? You'll never catch her with her proverbial "pants down". Did I say that? Forgive, please forgive.

[Betsy Ross]

2. Absolutely Not. n/t

[Walt Starr]

3. There is a very slight chance if a few things line up

1) There is no significant battle for the nomination in the democratic Party. In other words, no primaries, just a coronation.

2) The Republicans nominate Trent Lott or Tom Delay.

3) There are NO left leaning third party candidates WHATSOEVER.

4) John McCain runs on a third party ticket.

5) Bruce Willis also runs on a third party ticket.

Get those five things to happen, and she would have a very small chance to actually win.

Edited to add: Under this scenario, I'd probably go for McCain.

[Guaranteed]

10. ROFL

Me too.

[papau]

4. Yes - I do. They said she could not win in New York - and were wrong

I suspect she would easily win in 2008.

But that is just my opinion!

:toast:

:-)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. New York Aint America....

Statistically speaking at the presidential level it's 15% -20% more Democratic and Dems hold a 2-1 registration advantage....

[patricia92243]

5. Hmmm? So, we let the Republicans determine who is our nominee.

[Cyrano]

9. No. But they've already destroyed any chance she might have had.

Don't misunderestimate how evil and effective these swine are.

[bunkerbuster1]

11. I suspect the Republicans dearly want HRC as our nominee.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't necessarily back her, mind you.

I just... dunno. She used to annoy me, but it was mostly because she was a dreadful speaker. She's improved. She looked and sounded great at the DNC. Obviously she's smart and cunning. It could work.

[illflem]

6. You would think a lot of women would support her

but many I've talked to feel she was a wimp for not divorcing Bill over the blowjob.
I like her a lot and love to see her prez but don't see it happening.

[Guaranteed]

8. It's not that she's opinionated- it's the lack of trust.

They don't TRUST her, dammit. And I don't blame them! I don't either, anymore!!

[ElectroPrincess]

12. No way! ... just mention the name "Hillary" to a rabid right winger

and stand back while he or she spins out emotionally, ranting explicatives and foaming at the mouth with unbridled hate. <eg>

Hillary doesn't stand a chance. Besides she's IMO a moderate republican and a DINO. ;)

[Guaranteed]

13. She's not WORTH it. nt

[Lexingtonian]

14. Yes

Then again, I don't think the present incarnation of the GOP will survive November '06.

The major problem with electing Hillary would be that the country would probably run out of the ulcer medication and antipsychotics needed to sedate all the agitated morons during the first year. And there would be long lines at the Golden Gate Bridge and top of the Empire State building...wait, that's not actually a problem....

[truebrit71]

15. I have a better chance of winning then the Junior Senator from NY..

...and I'm a transplanted Brit....

[phylny]

16. Nope - and I'm from NY n/t

[NoPasaran]

17. Win or lose

She might cause enough wingnuts' heads to explode to make it worth doing just for the entertainment value.

[Cyrano]

18. Yeah, however, it's more important to win.

Then again, after another four years of Bush, we might all want to willingly march into gas chambers. The damn thing is that the Rethugs would probably charge an entrance fee.

[hughee99]

20. That gas isn't free, you know. n/t

[jonnyblitz]

19. no kidding!!

and if she were everything thing that THEY claimed she was I would actually support her fully...

[Clark2008]

21. Nope

She's as divisive as Shrub.

And, that's why the corporate media keeps talking her up. They know she'd be great for stories and then she'd lose, so they'd still get their tax breaks.

[RaulVB]

22. No chance

She is the perfect candidate for the Republicans, PERFECT FOR THE RIGHT WING MEDIA.

[Vinca]

23. No - and we'd be stupid to take the chance.

[Vinnie From Indy]

25. Same Questions asked about Carter, Reagan, Clinton & Shrub. Why Not

Hillary?

[Cyrano]

29. Different era. The media will bury her under ten tons of crap

and turn her into the wicked witch of the eastern/liberal establishment.

Vinnie From Indy, you'd stand a better chance of winning than she would.

[Connie_Corleone]

33. Maybe the corporate media will want a woman for president.

It's history in the making, TV ratings would go up.

Maybe I'm just dreaming. Don't mind me.

:shrug:

[Blue_In_AK]

26. No -- too divisive n/t

[David Zephyr]

27. 2008: It may very well be Hillary's turn, but it's no longer her time.

Sorry to say it, but the American people are worn out with this good couple.

Hillary's pandering to cultural reactionaries recently on abortion rights and faith based funding has been a sad spectacle to behold.

Further, Bill's clandestine, yet transparent attempts to lure Wes Clark to challenge Howard Dean for DNC Chair and thereby eliminate Clark from a shot at the 2008 race, clearing the way for Hillary, was also sad to behold.

[SOS]

32. Worn out

on political royal families in general...
1980 - Bush VP
1984 - Bush VP
1988- Bush P
1992 - Bush v. Clinton P
1996 - Clinton P Gore VP
2000 - Bush v. Gore
2004 - Bush P
2008 - J. Bush v. H. Clinton?

The three names Bush, Clinton or Gore have been on the national ticket for the last seven elections. (28 years) Time for some new people and some new ideas.

[David Zephyr]

36. Agree. Also every GOP ticket since 1976 has had either a Bush or Dole.

1976-Ford/Dole
1996-Bush/Dole

In fact,the Republicans have not had a ticket since 1976 that did not have either a Bush or a Dole on that ticket. By 2008, that will account for thirty-two years of GOP Bush/Dole tickets.

Historically, that's 14% of our national elections.

[Dookus]

28. yes

I do.

The republicans never give a shit about nominating "controversial" people, and they keep winning. Why should we care?

[Clark2008]

30. Because they control the media

Their controversal people are never seen as controversal in the bad sense, only in the good sense.

I agree that we need media and election reform, or we're dead in the water, but even if media reform starts tomorrow, it will take years to undo all the damange Hann O'Rushie has done.

[Connie_Corleone]

31. I hear some people say that rightwingers hate her.

That's true, but, rightwingers aren't going to vote for Democrats anyway so who cares what they think.

I don't know about the people in the middle hating her or not.

Everyone I know can't wait for Hillary to run for president. They don't know about all of the rightwing hate against her. They don't follow politics like I do.

[Cyrano]

34. Dear Connie-Corleone. Lucca Brazzi sleeps with the fishes.

So does Hillary. If any "people in the middle" don't know that, the right wing will make sure they do before the '08 election.

But she'll probably make a run at it anyhow. There are just some offers politicians can't refuse.

[yourout]

35. no, none. nada, zip

Please do not run.

[kweerwolf]

37. Let's start a "Dump Hillary" movement now

After watching her pander to the religious reich there's no way I would vote for her. I'd throw my vote away on a third-party candidate before Hilary would ever get my vote.

The right will never trust her and if she tries to gain their favor the left will never trust her either. One promise-anything-to-get-votes-and-then-do-whatever's-expedient-for-my-own-interests Clinton in the White House was one too many.

[Cocoa]

57. it's already started

Hillary-bashing is well underway on DU.

But there's always room for more, so go for it. :eyes:

[Rapcw]

38. I don't n/t

[hangloose]

39. no way

[Pam-Moby]

40. How could anyone seriously want

Hillary as the next President. Many of her views align with B*sh's views. She was and is for the war My personal view of her is that she is a RIDC (repug in donkey clothing). That is my personal view and I also feel that we have a lot more qualified and respectable people to represent us as our commander in chief!!!

[MrSlayer]

42. No chance in hell.

We really should stop all this nonsense before it gains any momentum. Hillary will never win.

[Disturbed]

44. The Rethugs want her to run.

Maybe she should switch parties and go for it!

[MrSlayer]

46. HAHA! That would be a twist on it.

Yeah the neo-cons are frothing at the mouth just waiting to sink their teeth into her. She'd be destroyed. I like your idea.

[wyldwolf]

43. as much chance as... oh... Barbara Boxer

...

[shesemsmom]

45. Nope no way

do I think the machine will run her. absolutely

[sendero]

47. No...

... and it astonishes me that anyone could think otherwise.

[Azathoth]

48. The GOP will have had 16 years to campaign against her

Plus, she has all the baggage of Bill's political career, and she's highly polarizing in her own right.

So no, she has no chance in hell of winning in 2008, unless the Republicans run Pat Robertson.

[bunkerbuster1]

49. The GOPee has a history of piling on

and making itself look foolish regarding HRC. It's something I noticed in '92. They always go overboard, and when people get a chance to actually see and hear the "Hildebeast", she seems, y'know, human?

So that argument really cuts both ways.

[rjbny62]

50. no chance of winning

[CWebster]

51. No, but she is willing to gamble everything

Everything the party stands for, just to use it as a vehicle to promote herself.

[newportdadde]

52. She has no chance.

First she is a woman. Look at our last election, with the gay ban amendments passing everywhere etc, this nation is nowhere near ready for a woman president.

If you think what they did to John Kerry via their BS propoganda was bad it would be nothing compared to what they would muster about Hillary. The right hates her with a passion that is frightening there would be no end to the character assassination process.

[jdonaldball]

53. It would be amost as stupid as nominating Monica Lewinsky

[robbedvoter]

54. I think BFEE already wrapped the 2008 "election"

I also have serious readons not to vote for her (IWR, Jan 6, faith based).
Your reasons are the WORST to not propose someone.
ANY DEM WILL BE SMEARED!!!! facts are irrelevant! Behold! The plan:

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvance...
 
1)      Falsehoods are not only acceptable, they are a necessity. The corollary is: The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, energy and dedication.
2)      It is necessary to be cast under the cloak of “goodness” whereas all opponents and their ideas must be cast as “evil.”
3)      Complete destruction of every opponent must be accomplished through unrelenting personal attacks.
4)      The creation of the appearance of overwhelming power and brutality is necessary in order to destroy the will of opponents to launch opposition of any kind.

[Darkhawk32]

55. Nope, not a chance. n/t

[marcologico]

56. It's possible, but only if Iraq is over and inflation is running at 10+%.

The Clinton economy is about the only thing I see her winning on. But I don't see Iraq ending unless of course there's an impeachment led by Hillary... hey, maybe it's not so unlikely!

[Cocoa]

58. I do

you realize you're just parroting the whores' conventional wisdom, don't you?

I suggest taking their CW and flushing it.