In looking up OUR bill, S114, I found this winner of a bill

[LittleClarkie]

Dig, if you will, S. 51 as presented by Sen. Sam Brownback of KS. Dig also, if you will, the 31 co-sponsors.

Oye vey.

S.51
Title: A bill to ensure that women seeking an abortion are fully informed regarding the pain experienced by their unborn child.
Sponsor: Sen Brownback, Sam (introduced 1/24/2005) Cosponsors (31)
Latest Major Action: 1/24/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. COSPONSORS(31), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Alexander, Lamar - 1/24/2005
Sen Allen, George - 1/24/2005
Sen Bunning, Jim - 1/24/2005
Sen Burns, Conrad R. - 1/24/2005
Sen Chambliss, Saxby - 1/24/2005
Sen Coburn, Tom - 1/24/2005
Sen Coleman, Norm - 1/24/2005
Sen Cornyn, John - 1/24/2005
Sen Crapo, Michael D. - 1/24/2005
Sen DeMint, James W. - 1/24/2005
Sen DeWine, Michael - 1/24/2005
Sen Dole, Elizabeth H. - 1/24/2005
Sen Ensign, John E. - 1/24/2005
Sen Enzi, Michael B. - 1/24/2005
Sen Graham, Lindsey O. - 1/24/2005
Sen Grassley, Charles E. - 1/24/2005
Sen Hagel, Chuck - 1/24/2005
Sen Hatch, Orrin G. - 1/24/2005
Sen Inhofe, Jim - 1/24/2005
Sen Isakson, Johnny - 1/24/2005
Sen Kyl, Jon - 1/24/2005
Sen Martinez, Mel - 1/24/2005
Sen McConnell, Mitch - 1/24/2005
Sen Roberts, Pat - 1/24/2005
Sen Santorum, Rick - 1/24/2005
Sen Sessions, Jeff - 1/24/2005
Sen Shelby, Richard C. - 1/24/2005
Sen Talent, Jim - 1/24/2005
Sen Thune, John - 1/24/2005
Sen Vitter, David - 1/24/2005
Sen Voinovich, George V. - 1/24/2005

No text meanwhile on S. 114 yet, the children's health care bill. Still waiting to get back from the printers apparently. It has been, however, referred to the Finance Committee. What can we do to help the bill along?

[autorank]

1. Note Hagel's name here...whore, vote stealer. Oh, & moderate Repub. haha

[wtmusic]

2. Text of notice (they are reintroducing S2466)

"You are considering having an abortion of an unborn child who will have developed, at the time of the abortion, approximately XX weeks after fertilization. The Congress of the United States has determined that at this stage of development, an unborn child has the physical structures necessary to experience pain. There is substantial evidence that by this point, unborn children draw away from surgical instruments in a manner which in an infant or an adult would be interpreted as a response to pain. Congress finds that there is substantial evidence that the process of being killed in an abortion will cause the unborn child pain, even though you receive a pain-reducing drug or drugs. Under the Federal Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act of 2004, you have the option of choosing to have anesthesia or other pain-reducing drug or drugs administered directly to the pain-capable unborn child if you so desire. The purpose of administering such drug or drugs would be to reduce or eliminate the capacity of the unborn child to experience pain during the abortion procedure. In some cases, there may be some additional risk to you associated with administering such a drug.'

What is interesting is that though the time after fertilization is unknown, they still claim it can experience pain -- in essence, that they have 'substantial evidence' that any fetus can experience pain. That is just a baldfaced lie.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c108:1:./temp/~c108oS9eO9:e9744:

[LittleClarkie]

3. Why are they so hung up on the possible pain of a very small being

who, depending on exactly when the abortion happens, may or may not feel pain, and then be so oblivious to the pain of an Iraqi kid with no arms and burns over half his body.

Why are they not just as outraged by the pictures I just saw of Iraqi children of war as they are about the tiniest fetus.

Not that I'm an abortion fan. I'm not. But if you're going to be pro-life, how about some attention for the post-born, even if they don't happen to be American.

[Sgent]

4. Even if they pass it...

It will most likely be overturn by the courts.

I can't possibly think of how the commerce clause plays into this, and this bill would likely suffer the same -- see the overturn of the federal law on guns on school property.

[wtmusic]

5. All good questions

and I actually agree with the part of the bill about anaesthetizing the fetus (after 20 weeks). It's the language it's couched in and the lack of perspective.

[Roland99]

7. pain-capable?

Oy vey

[LittleClarkie]

6. How odd, to wake up waiting for the Condi vote

and see Mr. Brownback talking about his bill. I had the thing muted so I didn't listen.

I wouldn't have even recognized his name before yesterday. I'm becoming a Senate geek.

Just thought it an odd coincidence that I bring up the bill last night and that it just happened to be the thing on CSPAN before the vote.

Where are the painkillers for the Iraqi children, I wonder.