Gore 08, Dean DNC

[mdmc]

Anything less is uncivilized.

[sabra]

1. Not a bad option?

What's your opinion of Clark?

[mdmc]

3. I have nothing against Clark

I feel that only Dean created excitement during the primary (am I wrong? I would have preferred Kucinich, but he never got off the ground. Edwards and Clark were nice and all, but boring) and that Gore is the only Dem with a chance in 2008.

[FrenchieCat]

20. IMO, Clark was not boring at all....

and in fact, had lots of important things to say in his campaign. I think the manner in which he called Bush out on just about everything everytime one looked around did a lot for the primary and the general election in setting a tone that truly allowd true criticism of George Bush and his agenda to be allowed as part of the debate....among other things.

In addition, Clark is the one that got the networks to start describing the Bush Cabal as Neocons and using PNAC to describe the real group behind the throne.

Clark had the 2nd biggest grassroots out of all primary candidates...based on internet website, campaign fundraising and meet-up figures. He excited quite a few more than he has been given credit for.

Anyone who would say that Clark was "boring" either has never really listened to what he had to say....or required a headstand to be performed by the candidate to be performed while campaigning.

Some supporters of other candidates never paid attention to Clark because they were busy supporting other candidates....and that's ok. However, such individuals are better off stating that as opposed to making such a judgement.

I rest my case until otherwise required.

Homework available here....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=235&topic_id=3434&mesg_id=3434

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[DemDogs]

30. Actually Edwards had the second biggest email list

When he turned his primary email list over to the Kerry campaign, that's what I heard.

[mdmc]

32. Is that what you heard?

I'm sure Edwards picked up a lot of the left overs once it started to look like the Dems were going to run an anti war hero liberal senator from Massachusetts.
supporters of dean, Gerhardt, graham, and Clark all probably tried to derail Kerry by backing Edwards, and joining his email list.

[DemDogs]

40. Don't know why, only that Dean was 1, Edwards 2

Edwards left the race the first week of March (Kucinich was still in) so I don't know how much time he had to pick up stragglers. You can spin it however you want.

[mdmc]

53. After Dean fizzled, Edwards became the only non Kerry game in town

Sure Sharpton and Kucinich were still in it. But a Clark, Gephardt, Leiberman, or Dean supporter was not going to back another candidate that doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination.

If you wanted anyone but Kerry, Edwards was the only game in town.

[mdmc]

56. pretty good spin, no?

:kick:

[mdmc]

31. by boring I mean

unable to create excitement..

[Crunchy Frog]

38. Well, I was not excited by Dean, but I was

by Clark. Many other people were as well. I think people are just wired differently and respond to different sets of characteristics in a candidate.

I do know that Gore does not excite me in the least.

[TeacherCreature]

62. I have noticed a pattern

I have noticed that they people dismissing Gore are mostly supporters if Clark running again in 2008.

[WI_DEM]

2. Gore would be a good choice

it would be like Nixon's 68 comeback--8 years after narrowly losing to JFK.

[mdmc]

4. Well , I'm not supporting war enablers Hill or Kerry

or Edwards...

So why not Gore?

[soleft]

5. One might think that's why Gore endorsed Dean - foresight

[Cheswick2.0]

6. He endorsed Dean for the reasons he gave

He recieved thousands of letters asking him to do so and after talking to Dean he thought Dean had the organization and the grassroots effort behind him to win the election. He also agrees with Dean on important issues.

[WI_DEM]

9. hmm, yet if he had endorsed Kerry

he would have endorsed the loser of the general campaign. So he didn't fall for all that crap about "electability" maybe he endorsed the man he felt most comfortable with on the issues?

[soleft]

11. Great move whatever the reason

[mdmc]

61. true

:hi:

[Warpy]

7. Gore will have to shed all those DLC lobbyists turned

campaign advisers that gave him such rotten advice in 2000. Coincidentally, they gave Kerry rotten advice in 2004. They will still be around to give whoever runs in 2008 the same rotten advice unless the party manages to deal with the whole DLC problem NOW.

Gore and Kerry were both able candidates. Both had their campaigns torpedoed by handlers who tried to repackage them as Repuglicans but without spines and without even illusory tax cuts for working people.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over aggain and expecting a different result. It won't matter who runs in 2008 unless we manage to persuade the party to dump all those old maids in pants that have been ruining campaigns for national office for decades.

[mdmc]

10. exactly, a non dlc Gore, with Dean as his attack dog

I'll take Wes Clark as veep, or Obama! (maybe Edwards).

[Larkspur]

12. I'd rather have Dean as Gore's VP

I'm no fan of Clark at this point.

[mdmc]

16. why?

I think that it is time that we take Dean off the national ticket and put him to work weeding out the anti grass root folk.

[Larkspur]

29. Because Dean is a verifialbe Democrat for one, and two

he has extensive experience in the civilian political sphere. Gore doesn't neet Wes' military experience. Gore has better foreign policy credentials than Wes, the consultant for lobbyists for the military industrial complex.

I could also go with Gore-Boxer in 2008, but not Gore-Wes or Anybody-Wes or Wes-Anybody.

[Adelante]

34. For one

[lojasmo]

8. Yes please, thank you. EOM.

[JaneQPublic]

13. Expect ads from "Army Field Reporter Vets for Truth" (nt)

[Debi]

14. I snorted coffee through my nose!

:silly:

[mdmc]

17. lol

:kick:

[Cheswick2.0]

25. LOL

The adds will be all about him using unamerican film.

[mdmc]

60. ha

lol

[montana500]

15. Sounds good ot me. Why...?

Because the GOP media machine wants fresh meat so they can do their shock and awe smear campaign. With Gore it simply wont be effective.

[mdmc]

18. Will it play in Montana?

:kick:

[janx]

23. Possibly. They have a Dem governor now. n/t

[xxqqqzme]

19. interesting.

Gore found his voice in thru-out '03 & '04. If he keeps @ it, he is a the perfect choice. I was happy he decided not 2 run in '04, the MSM would have ganged up on him worse than '00, but '08 mayB enough distance. Then judith miller might B in jail, also.

[VOX]

21. I could go with Al, easily.

He gets better all the time.

[janx]

22. That would be incredible!

:party:

[AlGore-08.com]

24. Thinking past the '08 campaign (which Gore would win again)

He's going to be one of our truly great Presidents.

In the future, people will talk about him the way we talk about Roosevelt.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. I agree, that is always how I have thought of Gore

[mdmc]

27. Unite behind GORE !!!

:kick:

[flpoljunkie]

28. Gore has no thermostat and Dean speaks before he thinks.

Am not enthusiastic about either man in roles you suggest.

[mdmc]

33. who better?

al from? lol

[flpoljunkie]

35. Al From is not running. Am no fan of his.

[ClarkUSA]

36. Chomsky/Dean08

:crazy:

[DemDogs]

41. Or we could just build ourselves a cave (n/t)

[mdmc]

59. unlike 2004

:~)

[TeacherCreature]

63. Jeb/Clark 2008

That is much more likely.

[mdmc]

65. doh!

God bless Clark and all of his supporters!

[TeacherCreature]

66. Yes God Bless them

[Crunchy Frog]

37. Well, I was not happy with Gore in 2000

and I ended up voting for Nader. Knowing what I know now, I feel bad about that vote, although it made no difference in my state. I had alot of issues with Gore and the way he was running, but the deal breaker for me was the position he took in support of the politically motivated kidnappings of small children, when the kidnappers in question were small, but vocal and influential minorities, whose vote he wanted. I just couldn't stomach that kind of pandering, or the willingness to abandon the most fundamental of principles that it revealed. I don't believe that I could support Gore for a second run.

[TeacherCreature]

64. I do see that most Clark people here feel that way

Everyone else seems happy to unite behind the idea of another Gore run even when they still wish for Kerry or Edwards or some other democrat.

[ClarkUSA]

39. Gore likes General Clark an awful lot, though....I say Gore/Clark08

just in case Dean is serious enough about being DNC Chair to want to stay his full term instead of bailing out of leading the Democratic Party during an election year to fulfill his personal political ambitions.

Boy, Gore sure would disagree with alot of people at DU about Clark's "remarkable"accomplishments.

U.S. MILITARY ACADEMY COMMENCEMENT, WEST POINT
Saturday, May 27, 2000

General Christman; Secretary Caldera; Senator Reed; Representative Gilman; Representative Norwood; faculty and staff; family and friends - I am honored to address the United States Military Academy's first graduating class of a new century.

I am also honored to share this stage with General Wes Clark, who graduated first in the Class of 1966, and who was at the center of so many key events of the past decade. As commander of the National Training Center, he helped train the armored force that prevailed in Desert Storm. As a member of the Joint Staff, he helped negotiate an end to the brutal war in Bosnia.

And as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, he mounted one of the most remarkable military campaigns in history - the air war that forced Milosevic to abandon his repression in Kosovo. On behalf of the nation, General Clark, let me thank you.

[DemDogs]

42. Gore would never chose a Clinton ally

I don't want to take the easy bait here, but are you really quoting laudatory language in a public speech at West Point with Clark on stage?

[ClarkUSA]

43. Gore can choose anyone he wants and likes IF he is the nominee...which

is a big "IF" at this point, considering it's January 2005 and he hasn't even mentioned it to anyone that can be credibly quoted.

And are you saying that Gore is a liar in public settings?

[mdmc]

52. Gore - Clark

Gore - Edwards
Gore - Clinton
Gore - McCain

Bring it on!

[Crunchy Frog]

45. Why do you say that?

He chose to serve as Clinton's VP for eight years. This bastion of progressivism also chose Joe Lieberman as his running mate in 2000.

And the continual quoting of laudatory language, out of context, is a trick that has mostly been used against other candidates on this board. In this case at least, these quotes were not taken out of context.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. Oh no! It looks like on top of everything else

Al Gore is a Republican and a war cheerleader. Well, I guess he's out of consideration now.

[ClarkUSA]

49. Harold Ickes, Clinton ally, has endorsed Dean which means Dean must

be a Clinton tool who's going to schill for Hilary in 2008.

Well, I guess he's out of consideration, now, too.

[clovis29]

46. Dean should go for it again if he doesn't get the leadership nod

n/t

[zulchzulu]

47. I would rather go with Bradley

I did volunteer work for Bill Bradley in 2000 and saw how Gore was kind of an ass... I like Al, but he's not really doing anything these days, is he?

As for Dean as DNC chair, as long as it doesn't take away his efforts at DFA...

[AuntiBush]

48. I like Gore...

Dean, and Edwards. I think the 3 are solid!

[saltpoint]

50. Your claim's a bit strong. I'd vote Gore over THE CAT BUTCHER --

-- but am maybe looking elsewhere in the primaries.

I don't rule Gore out, but think the hot money is plunking down on the barrel already, and that a lot of it plunks for Clark and Edwards.

[mdmc]

51. We need to unite

behind Gore.

[janx]

54. GORE 2008! n/t

[janx]

55. kick

[mdmc]

57. Wes Clark RULES!

Dean DNC
GORE 2008!
:kick:

[mdmc]

58. AL GORE!

[Northern Perspective]

67. Gore/Boxer 2008

Smart. Experienced.

Help Dr.Dean build a passionate, committed, ground-up, 50-state organization and hand it to those two and ya got something.

"Dean Gets It!"

Keep the DLC, ie. Beltway types, away from the national campaign and let them speak strongly to principle.

[Dread Pirate KR Read]

68. DNC race is not about uniting the Party, ...yet.

Nothin personal, minds'ya;...but if either of those 2 ever yell again, I might as well shoot the canon through me'ship and sink her me'self.

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I stood by Gore, and he won in 2000, imo;... but he failed against the voters in FL and the black caucus who challenged the electors. I don't expect they'll forget that.

But you raise a very intriguing pt, Deans' course stays fixed, and he sticks to his agenda once committed; and Gore may just see it on the horizon. Their egos often run too high imo. It'snto a time to compromise pwer for ideals,.. the Gore camp, the Clinton camp, the Kerry/Kennedy camp, whoever, but all may be blinded from the Democratic camp who try to mesh their ideals together in order to remove the neocons hold on government.

[KissMeKate]

69. Al Gore in 08 heck yes!

absolutely!

[ultraist]

70. I doubt Gore wants to run in 2008

Why would we rally behind someone who may not even run? Has he given any indication that he is the least bit interested?

[mdmc]

71. We need someone to rally around

I like the idea of Gore and Kerry running together. They have both run national campaigns, served in Veitnam...