When is this gonna stop? How much more can we take

[smurfygirl]

from * and his apocalyptic horsemen?

I mean I keep thinking one day people are gonna wake up and realize we have to get this guy out of office. He is destroying America and the rest of the world as we know it. I hate to rant but I'm just feeling like nothing is ever going to change. Hell, they impeached Clinton for having sex. Your telling me we can't get this fucker impeached for starting a war based on lies and cherry picked intelligence. This country is fucking pathetic. I can't believe we are letting * get away with this shit.

Pretty soon we will see our dollar amount to nothing. China will be holding all the notes on the US. Every American will be struggling to make ends meet. * will have started another war. Osama will still be running free and all of this will seem like a huge joke. We have been fooled, not once, but twice. Shame on us. It's time to get this fucker out of our house. It's time to protect our constitution and our country before China wants to cash in it's notes. Add to my rant if you like. I'm just so fucking pissed.

[Kerrytravelers]

1. We won't be here to see all this come to fruition...

we'll be in either Canada or Scotland.

[rwenos]

2. Problem is Dem's Minority Status in Congress

Without those committee chairmanships, the Dem's can't investigate Bush the way the Gingrich House could grill Clinton.

And, unfortunately, there don't seem to be enough Democratic ball-busters to take Bush on.

[Hissyspit]

3. Most Pathetic Period In U.S. History During My Lifetime

I was born in 1962

[Greybnk48]

16. Most pathetic period in U.S. history during my lifetime

and I was born in 1948!

Worse than Nixon, worse than Reagan (and that's tougher to say than the Nixon thing because at least Nixon was a statesman--not a moron) and worse than the Carter era which was tough economically but he was someone who could be trusted. This war is as bad as Vietnam in many ways, and for the soldiers worse in many ways. The economy is about to become worse than Carter and Reagan, which scares the shit out of me!

For the first time in my life I am having trouble controlling my temper when politics come up. I used to enjoy watching/listening to MSNBC and CNN during the day, for YEARS, and now the t.v. is off most days unless something's on C-span.

All of those leering pigs who relentlessly attacked Clinton for years on all of the talking head cable shows are all riding high.

The one consolation I have is that this is all cyclic. Chris Matthews, limbaugh, savage, scarborough, are all going to very quickly become irrelevant. I don't particularily care what they have to say at this point and I'm sure I'm not alone. I began to watch Matthews during the O.J. thing and continued because it became "I Hate Clinton" central, followed by Geraldo who rabidly defended Clinton. I was and still am a huge Clinton fan (I know it's not popular here--but don't care) so it held my attention. It's where we heard about the latest with Starr. I continued watching after 2000, waiting for the media to start taking this moron and his handlers apart--and of course 911 made watching almost necessary. I along with others waited in vain. I kept watching even after this election, for about three days. Now watching anything other than Olberman or John Stewart for me is like fingernails on a blackboard. I also cancelled my newspaper for the first time in over 30 years (they endorsed Bush).

I know I'm not alone and there will be a backlash. It won't just be anti-Bush. It will be anti-republican, anti-media (other than alternative) and unfortunately for some, anti-religion, especially Christian. But the biggest backlash IMO will be against the war--or at least round one. It may even get ugly. But I sincerely look forward to it.

[LibertyorDeath]

4. Love the Rant...Hey you speak my language....

"It's time to get this fucker out of our house."

"I'm just so fucking pissed."

:toast:

[zmdem]

5. They did impeach Clinton, but

They did not remove him from office. As to people waking up and realizing we have to get Bush out of office, well maybe, but he was returned to office less than 3 months ago.

As to our debt held by China, an interesting situation. It does leave us vulnerable, but it also creates a difficulty for China too.

[CoffeeCat]

6. I agree...

...I'm glad you are swearing, because I need to as well.

I think we are down to critical mass, ladies and gentlemen. I don't think our country can take this any longer.

The world hates us. Our country has lost so much credibility. Bush has the audacity to address the entire planet in his insane coronation speech, and tell everyone that we'll be coming for them if they don't submit to our way of life.

Fuck this shit. I mean really. I have absolutely had it. I can't take this any longer. I can't live like this.

We must organize and protest in huge numbers to get this fucker out. NOW!!

We need to organize a massive DC protest. This cannot go on in our name one more day. Enough is enough.

Commiserating among ourselves is cathartic--but we need to move into action and visibly organize against this piece of shit, imbalanced Nazi thug who has stolen our Constitution and ripped it to fucking shreds.

I really don't want to be in this country any more--if Bush continues on his PNACer, fascist rampage of death--while he demands that we fucking be "patient". FUCK YOU BUSH!!! You told us we'd be greeted as liberators and showered with flowers. You lying, ill-prepared bastard!! I THINK WE'VE BEEN FUCKING PATIENT FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!

I can feel good about America if we're at least protesting this bastard in high numbers---in a visible fashion. However, I can't feel good about this country anymore--if we just sit around complaining about how awful the Nazism and the death is.

[RealDems]

7. Protests

Everytime there is a protest, the media talks about how it was smaller than expected -- as though every march were supposed to have one million people. I think the thing to do is to set something up way below the radar and only aim for a few hundred to a thousand. Then the media can't downplay it by raising expectations. Organize a bunch of those mini-protests and they can't keep ignoring it.

[rwenos]

8. It's Going to Take Something REALLY Bad

To convince Middle America that the Chimp is really out to f*ck them. I mean, Nixon survived My Lai and Kent State. Unfortunately, guys, those of us who remember the 1960's are afraid we're no where near critical mass yet.

Wait until there's a massacre of American troups in Iraq. (If the bastard insurgents are smart, they'll go for the Death of a Thousand Cuts instead of one big blow-up.)

This situation truly sucks. America loses either way -- some enormous cataclysm, or four years of body bags.

But it'll get WAY worse before it gets getter, my friend.

[CoffeeCat]

10. I hear what you're saying...

...I know my post probably sounded a bit over the top.

I still mean what I said, but I was pretty angry.

I'm a bit calmer now.

It's too bad it has to get worse.

It feels really devastating when you look at our standing in the world. China seems to want to cash in their American chips. Most of our allies seem to be backing off. We're an embarrassment to the world. The world seems to be very outraged at Bush and tired of the bullying. I see our standing in the world as at an all-time low.

[autorank]

9. Brothers & Sisters, Rejoice, Our Time Has Come

Did you fail to vote in 1948 assured that there was no way Truman would win and miss out on the greatest political come from behind in history?

Did you leave the Giants-Brooklyn National League Playoff game in the 8th inning and miss "The Shot Heard Round the World," Bobby Thompson's huge bottom of the ninth home run that won it all for the Giants?

Did you leave the Orange Bowl before Doug Flutie hit Gerard Phelan with a Hail Mary pass to beat defending national champion Miami at the Orange Bowl 20 years ago?

Did you throw in the towel in Washington State thinking our great candidate, Gregoire lost?

As Stone Cold says, Hell No We're not giving up, not leaving, not giving ground to a bunch of crooks just when the tide is turning.

In case you have not noticed, there is a full scale revolt brewing in the Republican Party with major old-guard conservative icons talking about how * "betrayed America." Our supposedly radical Senate opposition, the Senators who would surely be shunned and mocked, has risen from one, Boxer, to thirteen in 19 days! The news media has a longer leash and we're seeing just how awful Iraq is on a regular basis.

It's not a question of if but, rather, when and how. The when is soon because * is nuts and his team can't cut it, hence key elements of "the establishment" give the CM (corporate media) the word. The HOW is the key part. If it's a popular movement with informed members and honest leaders, we win. If it's another choreographed Nixon deal with a rearrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic, it's back to work.

This is THE BEST TIME to be alive in our history if you love politics. We have a lunatic running things and a 10 year deadline now to fix the planet before irreversible damage.

What more could you want? Lighten up and keep at it. We didn't want this to happen but we have to live through it. It's the critical state in world history and our assignment, should we accept it, is to get rid of one of the main threats to the planets survival. Then we can work with the rest of the world to keep us all alive.

ROCK ON

[rwenos]

11. Hope You're Right

cause the whole world's watching.

[autorank]

12. They sure are. I think when we get rid of *, much of the rest

is already in place: even Blaire knows we need very fast action of global warming; India and China surely know that when the droughts hit, they're toast, period; and there is scientific expertise along with an emerging global movement, e.g., Kyoto, for the world to act together.

The irony is that we're the hold up because * is President.

We can talk about leaving but there is no where to hide. If I were a
Canadian and American's started showing up, I'd say, get back there and finish things. It is our responsibility to continue looking into the abyss. Fun, huh?

[Stand and Fight]

13. I'm totally with you on this...

Sometimes the anger gets so bad I literally am engulfed by it. I tremble with titanic rage when I think about what that man is doing to our country. He seems to be mocking the founders of this country, past great presidents like Roosevelt, today our senior citizens, liberals, and those who voted for him by laughing in their faces... His administration is literally covered in scandals, surrounded by their mis-management of this country, surrounded by their lies that have become so thick that they seem to have formed a Teflon coat... Nothing sticks to these bastards! Everyday it is just the same damn thing lately -- bad news that would have sunk Clinton is just overlooked or white-washed for Bush. Everyday his lies and those of his underlings are exposed, and the majority of the American people just don't seem to care. I find myself wrecking my brain day and night trying to come up with a way to get the word out about the insidious nature of the Bush administration. I wreck my brain trying to figure out how we can get a Democratic majority in the House and/or Senate... It is very frustrating, and the scary thing is that I truly, truly HATE George W. Bush. I've always been someone who has said that "hate is a powerful term" and that it is wrong to do so... However, that man has evoked so much rage in me at his complete bumbling of the governing of our country, and every day he just keeps doing it and getting a pass from Americans and the god-dammed press... My rage is going from being mad at Bush and not disliking ALL Republicans to seeing their recent votes and the rank madness of the right-wing personalities to truly loathing them for everything they stand for! Sometimes I feel like I am going to literally implode from all the chaos I feel inside... I've only felt this way one other time in my life, and that was when someone I deeply loved and cared about betrayed me. It seems like America is betraying itself under the guidance of G.W. Bush and his army of murderous debauched sycophants.

[NotYourPresident]

14. I agree=understatement

But people need to realize that until there is a critical mass that is willing to stand up (while we still have right to), we are f*cked. There were half a million people at the RNC protests in NY, almost as many at the antiwar protests all over the country. It doesn't matter as long as it can be attributed to the marginal left wing. Don't get me wrong. I am as marginal and as left as is possible, but things don't happen in this country until a movement/issue it penetrates middle america's consciousness... until it it cannot be dismissed. We have a propaganda machine that is working very hard to make sure that that never happens.

The fact is that this country did NOT VOTE for the agenda of this administration. It did not. So, while we are busy sounding off the idiots got us into this mess and the idiots who are board with the Bush agenda, the Bush crime family is churning right along. They have as much contempt for the Americans that supposedly support them as they do for us. They know what we fail to ackowledge: average "decent," "god-fearing" Americans do NOT support them. There is a very, very good column at WiserBlog.com analyzing this. I have posted this before, I don't remember where and I apologize for the duplicate, but I just don't hear people talking about what should be obvious:

From " Seeing red... for what it is".

"While I concede that one hating, baiting brainwashed zealot is one too many, I want to address this idea that we are being overrun by such people or that they, being channeled by George Bush (much as God himself is), have a mandate. This suggestion that the entire county—save for a handful of people huddled on either coast—actively support the naked Neocon Bush agenda is propaganda.

Indeed, most of the country doesn’t even know what that agenda is and it isn't because they are stupid. I am not saying that a whole lot of people are not woefully ignorant and unengaged in the governing of their country (to the extent that they are still allowed to be). But Bush and Co. hide their true agenda well and we would be wise to address this instead of falling into yet another one of their traps by increasing our contempt for the "red states."

It will the Rove Team's greatest coup to date if they manage to not only steal this election, but also then successfully frame the narrative of the outcome and what it means that they have “won.” Of course, they didn't--the election was stolen. More evidence of this amasses daily, but I don’t have to convince you of this to make my point about the "support" that Bush enjoys." SNIP

You should read the whole thing at www.wiserblog.com. It's the second column from the top.

The "average American," yes, even a fair number of NASCAR Dads would be horrified to know what is really going on in this country. They need to be told. I don't understand how people think they can afford to either write them off or continue to NOT differentiate between bigots and pigs and war mongers and people who just don't have the time or inclination to sort through all of the sh*t that gets force fed to them by the mainstream (not the right wing) media. There many such people and they are definitely NOT on board.

[RealDems]

15. Sharing in your outrage

I'm too young to have any reference point for how crazy everything seems (born in '79). I used to be a fairly moderate Democrat -- but I have certainly been radicalized by the times. I cannot understand how so many people can remain apathetic.

[ginnyinWI]

17. kick

:kick:

[Lexingtonian]

18. Okay, so they're losing their heads....

Don't join them by losing yours over this stuff.

Yes, it's a pathetic and pathological time politically defined by a pathetic and pathological crowd. But it's been that way since Nixon's times. All they want to do is revisit the Past and settle the old scores because the future is not all about people like themselves (white, male, 'Christian' generally). That is why they love Bush- he allows them to fully indulge in that Past. And now they've reargued and settled scores up to the late Nixon years- late Vietnam (in Iraq), Roe v Wade (is being rehashed one last time), Stonewall (as gay marriage legalization), the early Seventies recession and globalization problem and the oil shortages of the Embargo...it's all being rerun.

I'd say you're right about a couple of rough years ahead. We're predictably gonna hit a smaller scale (and quite short) rerun of Ford/Carter/Reagan stagflation and devaluation/high interest rates in the next year or two at the current rate. The Bushies do say they want to screw with Iran's ayatollahs, then (between the lines of the Inauguration Speech) with Castro's newest unstable buddies in Latin America (i.e. Chavez). Still...if we're doing reruns, once we're at the Eighties (in '06 at the present rate) the political backlash resulting from revisiting that time and all thereafter should be liberal.

As for wars, the Bushies have already expended the Army, Navy, and CIA on Iraq. And it may be that they have to get out of there sooner than we all expect. If/when they screw with Iran it will necessarily be via much smaller 'special forces' units and the Air Force and the new Pentagon-internal mini-CIA, the SSB. If they mess in Latin America it will be via the mercenaries and guerillas and paramilitary crap of the War On Drugs. Iraq has forced them to scale down and not do things via the Pentagon...and remember the 'wars' of the Eighties. Lebanon, six bombs on Tripoli, and those manly assaults on pygmy militaries in Grenada and Panama. Death squad training in El Salvador and mining ports of Nicaragua with fishing boats. That's the reference point to these Warriors For Freedom And Democracy.

[Eric J in MN]

19. Polls show Bush already has the lowest approval rating of

any 8 year recent president at the midpoint around his second inauguration.

[Skittles]

20. only when Americans hold republicans accountable

only when the media starts telling the truth

[zann725]

21. You forgot to mention his plans for a myriad of wars in the Mideast...

per Seymour Hirsch. He's already going good in Iran, and gawd knows where else that we're not being told.

It's shameless, I agree. We've stepped in to rescue other nations when their government was this out of control. I'm thinking unless we get some International rescue....