Condi pleads for help--just heard on AAR

[Skidmore]

in a clip. She sounded pretty desparate, saying she will have an open door policy and pled for help in this important time in history--or some such high blown phraseology. Think she got the message that this may a bumpy ride?

[livetohike]

1. Help? As in everyone just do as I say?

No one in this administration wants help. They just want everyone to go along with their program.

What she means is, no one give her a hard time.

[Skidmore]

2. All the more reason to hall her tush before the

Foreign Relations Committee every time she sneezes to track whether or not she is actually doing her job. I'm not convinced this woman knows anything about being diplomatic.

[xultar]

3. Nope, She's pleading for help because she realized she got USED

like a piece of toilet paper.

The only reason she has the job is because Cheney wants to make the SoS office his own personal ToysR US. Cheney expects to run it and she finally realizes that Cheney thinks he can roll all over her ass. She now sees what Cheney and Bush really think of her.

Plus she realizes that the Reich played the race card with her nomination. Deep down she knows all those people who spoke for her so eloquently on the Reich did so @ the behest of the BFEE. She also knows that those mutherfuckers who spoke for her are racist bastards.

So she must be feeling quite dirty now. I don't feel bad for her. I feel bad for Black America because we are being used and vilified by both the Republican party and The Democratic Base. At least the Democratic Leadership wised up an took a divided approach which makes it look like it isn't a party against a Black woman which could be devastating to the black vote. Unfortunately the Democratic base of aggressive progressive liberals didn't get that memo and totally insulted the Black Womans caucus and Andrew Young.

[htuttle]

4. Oh, bull

Condi has been a right-wing whacko all of her professional life. She's not about to suddenly have a change of heart now when she's still in power.

[realFedUp]

5. once again painting with a broad brush

I'm guessing you are young.
Making generalizations about whole
groups of people, like blacks, progressive
liberals, DUers etc. might
be easy to do in an opinion piece
but it just isn't based on fact or reality.

It's encouraging to many of us that
Ms. Rice was considered on this
side of the aisle on her record and
statements, not her biography, not on her
color while conservatives continue to put in front
of Americans candidates of color who
will do the bidding of the administration
without regard to the results for
this country and world.

Gonzales is the same case...not the best
candidate of any color to make sure that
the rights of all Americans are protected.

Everyone is used in this world for someone
else's agenda...it just depends on whether
you want to be honest about why.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Ed Zaquery.... its not the race...its their record and agenda...

She fails the history test...she has misled and out right lied to the American People...don't that count....?

Hardly the best for the job...

[xultar]

9. YOU'RE RIGHT....but the people who don't know her record and only

get info from tne MSM don't know what we know here.

Can't you understand that?

[xultar]

11. Yes, 35 is young. I still live in the community which most of you don't

I hear what they are saying and you are fooling yourself.

[Skidmore]

7. On the way to work this morning, I listened to a solid 25 minute

rant on the part of my husband (a proud member of Black America) in which he excoriated Andrew Young up one side and down the other. He is irate about this vote, and is of the opinion that a liar is a liar regardless of pigmentation of the skin. All peoples, in all hues, are being cynically manipulated by the political establishment now. It is up to us--black, brown, pasty white, and any other color under the sun--to stand up and pull this country back from the precipice. If we all don't work together, then we allow ourselves to be used. Did you hear the speech that Jessie Jackson Jr. gave at the Progressive Democrats of America Forum last week? He talked about each group as having a piece of work that needs to be done, not unlike the pieces of a quilt. That no one piece can cover or protect us all. That we can't be content to only sit in meetings or action groups made up of fellow members of our own color, but we need to join these pieces. He is right because the only way that the current group in power can be removed is if the working class learns to see beyond the devices that they have employed to divide us--race, sexuality, gender, ethnicity. It is still the message and methods of MLK and Gandhi that need to be employed, not just given lip service. You join together, regardless of superficial differences, and you show no fear. It is the next step of the civil rights movement and is one which absolutely needs to be accomplished. It is the level that MLK was prevented from taking the people to. Part of this means calling our erstwhile party leaders on their willingness to participate in such divisive acts. We need to get their attention and to enlist their cooperation--or they need to go. We need to look forward.

As for Condi, her willingness to lie to a further disasterous policy leading to an unending war and deaths into the forseeable future very much calls into question her suitability to speak on our behalf. Sometimes a bad employee is just a bad employee.

[xultar]

8. I'm not talking about your husband, I'm talking about(edit yelling sorry)

Just the regular Joe's in the community.

I get my hair done I hear what people are saying who don't surf the web for their news.
I go to dinner with people in their homes for greens and cornbread and talk with people who still eat with their fingers.

DO YOU HANG OUT WITH THESE PEOPLE????

WTF IS UP HERE?

[Skidmore]

13. I'm not sure what has you riled up, but I apologize

for any misunderstanding. I never once thought you were talking about my husband. I was just trying to express an additional interpretation of what you were talking about in terms of Condi and others being used. I just think the manipulation is much more pervasive than that and includes all kinds of people. It is the way we allow them to divide us that is the problem.

BTW, my husband is a regular Joe--works with his hands for a living, high school diploma, some trade school, been known to eat with his fingers. :)

Peace, friend.

[xultar]

14. But he has YOU. Alot of the folks in the community aren't informed the

way we are. Do you believe that the masses in the black community surf politically?

Do you think they get their news from multiple sources or from local MSM and cable MSM.

That is the problem.

Sorry for getting all riled up!

[Skidmore]

15. Actually, he does a pretty good job on his own.

He reads papers and discusses articles over his lunch hour and breaks with his co-workers, some of whom believe * is god. He discovered Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! on his own several months ago and now she's his girl.

I know what you mean though. I think we just need to keep educating and talking--sometimes you'd be surprised at who ends up listening.

No problem with the riled up part--I get that way sometimes too.

An afterthought and an edit:

After I posted this, a thought came to mind. Remember, that it was the working class people--black and white--that put the skids on Vietnam. People understand tragedy and injustice, and when they understand the source of tragedy and injustice, they step forward. I have hope.

[xultar]

16. You're right, unfortunately, the masses aren't as open minded, especially

those who consider themselves 'religious'.

Blacks who I know in my state GA disappoint me on a daily basis. They MARCH against gays, they'll do just about anything that their pastor tells them. Well their pastors are getting money from* and thus the pastors are telling their congregants to vote for *.

We see things from different levels. I'm glad you think that Blacks for the most part are against Rice being SoS. I wish it were the case. From my point of view, I see exactly the opposite while they might not think she's the best for the job they don't want to hold a sistah back. The fact that people are calling Andrew Young and members of the Black Womens Caucus media whores, sell outs, etc isn't going to go over well in the black community. IF you don't see where issues might arise from that then I don't know what to say. What I see makes me extremely concerned. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

The influence of informed couples on each other is profound. I don't think your husband can't manage to get his hands on the appropriate information. Just the fact that you are both talking to each other and and discussing issues you both want to be aware and research alternate sources. That is what I meant by saying he has YOU. The both of you TOGETHER are influencing each other.

Most couples don't have that. They watch the evening news as their primary information source. Then they regurgitate the propaganda from the MSM and there you go. Right now they are hearing that Condi is the first black woman SoS and that Dems called her a Liar and that Democrats are angry @ the Black Womens Caucus and Andrew Young. They are discussing that before they go to bed. They aren't surfing the web, they aren't listening to AAR, and they aren't reading blogs. That is a FACT. That is Reality. THAT concerns me.

We've discussed how the effects of the MSM on the masses. You don't see what I'm getting @ here?

Where do you live?

[Skidmore]

19. We live

in Iowa. Last summer I went down to Alabama where my brother lived before he died. Had never been that far south before. I'm caucasian and I didn't feel comfortable around my brother's neighbors at all--also caucasian. My husband was unable to come with me for various reasons so I felt pretty alone. I didn't take home a very good impression of the south, I'm afraid. I certainly didn't feel welcomed there. Those people made me feel as though by just being there I had soiled their community somehow.

I hope that, at some point, people can start seeing beyond race and other ephemeral characteristic. We all bleed red and we all feel pain. That myopia that exists in the black community in Georgia is not unlike the jaundiced eye in the white community that is currently giving a pass to a blatantly corrupt lying occupier of the White House. As long as we all refuse to deal with the lies of the past few years, we will continue to live with the fallout. Language does have to change. I'm as disappointed that Andrew Young refuses to acknowledge the lie, as does Diane Feinstein. As leaders in the community they perpetuate the lie. The criteria for success should not mean that we countenance poor judgement or dishonesty.

[itzamirakul]

17. I don't live in the "hood" but I do associate with many

intelligent, professional people, and many intelligent, opinionated blue-collar workers of all races who feel that Condi Rice got exactly what she WANTED, even though she had a "little problem" with a few Democrats who called her on her lies. "Used like toilet paper?" Hardly.

If she is asking for help, it is as a previous poster put it, "Please don't fight me, just go along with whatever I say and do. Now that I got what I WANTED, please don't make it any harder for me." Now she will play poor little black girl "victim" to the nth degree just as Clarence Thomas has played "poor, mistreated black man" for years.

The woman is brilliant...Cheney is not "USING" her...damn, she and he own oil in the same damn company! He has made her an enormously wealthy woman. If not for Cheney, how do you think she got an oil tanker named after her several years ago? (I understand the name has been changed now.)

Being African American, I am well aware that there are many black people who complain anytime another black person is called on the carpet and I, too have been known to resent and speak out quite loudly about the race card being played to prevent blacks from achieving positions of power and influence. But in this case, Rice has lied continuously and I cannot fathom supporting her in any way.

There are also many people who complain about things but who also do not take the time to vote or become more knowledgable and there is no excuse for that. They just complain.....

[kentuck]

10. If she continues to do the bidding of one George W Bush....

the ride will continue to be bumpy.

[Mountainman]

12. She sold her soul to the devil. She has to accept the consequences

I see hers as a waisted life. A person with her abilities could have done so much more with her life but she joined the neocon cabal and now she'll be just like Powell, an also ran, a coulda woulda shoulda.

[robbedvoter]

18. 3000 people at WTC also pleaded for help. "OBL determined to

strike in US" was "not actionable" "Traditional hijackings". WAR.
Who is the victim here?