"Clinton has never masked that he personally likes W" Lies Told On DU

[KittyWampus]

Bill Clinton has made it pretty clear (on Jon Stewart for instance) how he feels about the GOP smear machine and how it should be dealt with.

He's also made it clear that he sees Junior and the PNAC'ers heading the way of the Roman Empire (if you cared to listen to him rather than make crap up).

He's also said numerous times that Junior shouldn't be underestimated and that Jr's extremism was no surprise once he got into the Oval Office.

It never ceases to amaze me how far some DU'ers will go to disrespect Clinton.

They'll pull one quote out of an interview, completely out of context.

They'll spout GOP lies about Clinton running drugs out of airports back in Arkansas.

They'll echo the Mediawhores drivel like it's scripture even though we know they are actively working to undermine Democrats.

They'll fabricate shit like "Clinton has never masked that he personally likes W".

They'll point to Clinton doing some good trying to drum up funds for Tsunami victims and say 'well that proves EVERYTHING'.

If you don't personally like Bill Clinton, or have issues with his policies while president that's one thing...

But to buy into the bullshit being shoveled onto this forum by disruptors with an agenda to divide Democrats is pretty lame.

It is so easy for disruptors to imitate a certain segment of DU'ers posting here. Just make an extreme comment about a Democrat who isn't Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer or Conyers, insert a pejorative like PNAC'er, Corporate Whore and you're home free.

[KoKo]

1. GASP! A post that "cryingshame" and I agree on!

sputtering....:wow:

Now maybe I'll link the post that tries to have a discussion about the Clinton interview rather than the "fly by dissing" that other one was.

Here ya go, it's heading to archives and could use some help..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3015137

and a :hi: for emphasis...

[WI_DEM]

2. Get hold of yourself

There is a difference between personally liking someone and approving of their policies. I've heard Clinton say on television (sorry no link) that he does like W. But that doesn't mean he approves of him as president. Don't you remember that Tip O' Neil personally liked Ronald Reagan and had a great rapport with him, but he was one of his most vigorous congressional roadblocks as Speaker of the House.

[alexisfree]

3. a democrat..

has to be united. we need to support each other...

[bluestateguy]

4. They're fraternity brothers

Part of that presidential fraternity that less than a dozen living men belong to. It's a little disappointing, but also understandable. In fact, I would not be surprised if they become even better friends once the Baby Bush leaves office. I judge Bill Clinton by what he did in office, and for me, that judgement is overwhelmingly positive (with a few mistakes).

[orpupilofnature57]

5. Bill Clinton is arguably the best manager this country has had ever..

F.D.R. included,though a close second.

[Jacobin]

10. Yep. There can be little debate about that

He led the country in an extremely able fashion, both in foreign policy and domestic policy. I didn't agree with everything he did. I doubt no president ever will.

I care not a whit about his sex life, didn't then and don't now.

[Last Lemming]

6. Recent comments

by the Bush administration about Clinton have been read as Clinton bashing, I hear a note of wistful envy with reverberations of respect.

Clinton said once that one of the greatest events of his administration was the year that Israel and Palestine went for an entire year without a death from a "terrorist attack."

A noble sentiment from a very smart man.

[fudge stripe cookays]

7. I'm not a disruptor.

I'm a free thinking individual who can't stand Clinton. I VOTED for him, but it's not like I had so many other options.

My cousin is from Arkansas, and has opened my eyes to a lot. And last night, listening to Air America, I found out he had an opportunity to restore the Fairness Doctrine and didn't? 'Nuff said.

He did a good job of running the country, but with his pants antics, I think he set Democrats back a LONG ways.

Sorry, but there it is.
FSC

[KittyWampus]

9. And You Managed To Make An Essentially Valid Point Without

lying, using GOP talking points, smearing or calling Clinton vile names...

THAT is not disruptive at all.

[fudge stripe cookays]

28. Thanks.

:-)

[Pepperbelly]

17. I, too, am from Arkansas, have known Bill Clinton for years, and I think .

your cousin might be full of shit, particularly if said cousin's enlightening comments are part of what led to you post. Any questions about Clinton, as me. I will tell you the straight, no shit truth from someone who lived through Clinton's Arkansas years and did so in pretty close proximity to the family.

[sandnsea]

20. "Did you wake up grouchy this morning?"

"Nah, I let he sleep in."

My memory from Clinton as governor of Arkansas. That and HIPPI, or however you spell it. I think he did alot of good for the state, even if just setting a more modern tone for future. But I still think it's too bad he wasn't more of a worker's rights advocate.

[Pepperbelly]

22. Yep. That's a sore spot for me, too as well as his pandering on the

drug war issues, particularly when I know he knows better than the crap he would spout.

But still, wouldn't you love it if the most serious issue facing America today was who was blowing the Prez?

[Hippo_Tron]

24. That wasn't the most serious issue, the MSM made it out to be

And the Republican congress didn't let Clinton face the true serious issues.

[tavalon]

33. Amen on that one!

Of course, if you look at the many pictures on Condi looking adoringly at her hus....er, President, it's fairly clear just who is blowing the Prez these days.

But it is all the rest of us who are getting f*cked....

[fudge stripe cookays]

29. Her son used to work with Hillary.

I don't need someone else to make up my mind for me. I already had an opinion, and my cousin simply engaged me in honest discussion.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. His pants antics didn't do jack shit to the democrats

Clinton left office with a higher approval rating than when he entered. The only people who were pissed off with him in large sums were diehard Republicans in the first place. Gore lost because he ran a HORRIBLE campaign and lost the debates to Dubya. Oh and guess what, Gore hired Bob Shrum. Kerry hired Bob Shrum. Michael Dukakis hired Bob Shrum. Ted Kennedy hired Bob Shrum. Oh yea guess who didn't hire Bob Shrum, Clinton. One of these guys won in a landslide twice, the others lost.

[fudge stripe cookays]

27. I was pissed off with him.

Because of his lack of control, holier than thous everywhere can point to him and say what degenerate perverts Democrats are. Add that to the reputations we already had to deal with of John and Ted Kennedy, and we've got a little problem to deal with in the media.

He left office with a high approval rating, but he helped to get us where we are today. Like it or not.

[Hippo_Tron]

30. I'm sorry but I don't agree

The democrats are where they are today because they have failed to craft a proper message and failed to sell it correctly. Clinton didn't have jack shit to do with it.

[KoKo]

8. It's an interesting interview with Clinton from Davos. Here's a little...

I hope it's repeated tonight. It's a really "in depth interview" about our foreign policy, Iraq, his differences with the Emperor...what he thought about this election, what he thought about "The Speech" and what it means to the world. His view of our foreign policy contrasted with the Bushies and of our military is very interesting.

Clinton said our foreign policy in Iraq since the 1950's is what caused the problems there.(Goes into all of the terrible stuff we have done which put Saddam in power) He said "I know it's not popular for me to admit this about our American foreign policy." He got a huge round of applause from the audience which included Ted Turner sitting in the front.

The audience seemed to be Liberal and Clinton speaks to the huge differences between himself and Bush...while saying that since they come from the same "part of the country" he has has a good understanding of him and he warned Gore, that Chimp "was smarter than folks thought and a better politician than given credit for."

He said about the RW Repugs and their tactics that he had gotten over being mad about them...and figured that since they were so sucessful you had to figure out how to work with them to get what you want when you don't agree with them. (There was bitterness I picked up in his analogy about their "success" in that he said they had alot of money behind them making them the winning team).

He was just getting into a really interesting discussion about I/P talking about the future of the Israeli's and Palestinians now that Arafat is gone, when C-Span claims they lost their Sattelite Signal! LOL's I thought that was very funny that the signal got pulled. Rove must have given the order from DC...PULL THE FRICKING SIGNAL HE'S MAKING US LOOK BAD!

It's worth checking C-Span to see this no matter how anyone feels at this point, about Clinton,(love him or hate him) ...the man is brilliant and thoughtful. When one compares him to what we have today...the contrast is startling.

[KittyWampus]

11. I'm Not That Much Of A Tinfoiler... But Sometimes I Wonder About TV's

losing their signal... happens a lot when Dean speaks. :D

[rodeodance]

12. thanks, nice post---for the most part, I agree

[joanski01]

19. C-Span Schedule says that it is being

repeated at 8:00 p.m. tonight on C-Span. Good time to watch. It was such an interesting, excellent discussion. It was like Bill Clinton was in your living room talking to you about how he feels about things. I loved it.

[Arkana]

13. I have to wholeheartedly agree

I've seen DUers savage Bill Clinton over and over here, and I have to say I really don't like it. I don't even bother posting in the "Clinton is a corporate whore!" threads anymore.

[Sparkle]

14. Amen, Sister!

Some of these posters were starting to sound like those idiots on freerepublic.

[Adelante]

15. Oh, yes

Thank you.

[KissMeKate]

16. I sold my feminist soul for Clinton-

and way too cheaply, I might add.

Hes not the superman so many democrats make him out to be.

[earth mom]

34. Thanks for saying that

and I'll add that I resent being called a disrupter or whatever just because I don't like the Bill & Hillary all that much these days. They're too chummy with * and that disgusts me. And if I feel like expressing that I will.

The flip side of this original post is that it's hard not to notice that people are trying to shove Bill & Hillary down everyones throats-which I find to be "disruptive" myself I might add. I'll make up my own mind, thanks.

[Pepperbelly]

18. Amen, friend Cryingshame!

You have hit the nail squarely on it's little head. Bless you for a clear, succinct case laid out in front of everybody.

[John_H]

21. LOL! Teeth dropping disruptors and 18-year-old hero worshippers

a match made in heaven. Cryingshame, you're going to have to take blood pressure medicine if you keep worrying about this. I reccomend posting the truth in a way that pisses-off both the disruptors and the dem-bashing dean "supporters" at the same time. Of course the disruptors' outrage is fake, but in acting outraged, they sound just as mush like tantrum throwing debutants as the real thing. So the entertainment factor is just the same.

[DancingBear]

25. If one can only remember that he is the consummate politician

then everything else flows from that.

Personally, I find it offensive that he can befriend Bush Sr., especially in lieu of Bush Jr., but it is understandable in a sad "playing the game" sort of way. There can be no denying that there are '08 political ambitions involved, which (again predicated on the "playing politics" component) is understandable, though (to me, anyway) quite contemptible.

Clinton either gets way too much credit or way too much blame - the truth, I think, lies somewhere in the middle.

[KittyWampus]

26. I Started An Artist's Group For Women. As Prez. I Had To "Like" Some

real asshole women.

It was a freaking local club and some women fought for power like the Bush Cabal.

I shit you not.

And yet, I had to smile and be cordial and occassionally even swap artwork with some of the awful witches.

Finally, I got so sick of the powerplays I pulled the plug and let some of the real powerhungry ones start their own group.

[TacticalPeek]

31. I could not agree more,

without forfeiting independent existence.

[WilliamPitt]

32. A few more thoughts on the matter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1531802&mesg_id=1531802