Kerry is a CHICKENSHIT!

[Vinnie From Indy]

Tim Russert is in rare form today on MTP attacking Kerry on all the same issues the Rove slime machine manufactured during the campaign. The amazing thing is that Kerry is STILL taking it laying down and he immediately goes on the defensive when he should fight back. Why he doesn't go after Russert for his shoddy, biased reporting is beyond belief. Why he doesn't attack Russert for being part of the right wing slime machine and highlight his propensity to run smear ads as news is exactly why he got his ass kicked. He has no idea when to stand up for himself and fight.

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[candy331]

4. The election is over so why the kid gloves Mr Kerry? Stand tall/

stand down.

[Kolesar]

2. you did not post one question or remark from MTP...eom

[liberalnurse]

3. I had the feeling that

I was watching a re-run of the 2004 Campaign.......:eyes:

[LostInAnomie]

5. I was thinking the exact same thing.

The whole time Russert was in his face bringing up every smear tactic used during the campaign and Kerry just took it like a ho.

We as a party are going to have to toughen the fuck up.

[madrchsod]

6. kerry? who cares what he thinks

he is yesterdays news.go away john, go back to the club.

[ginnyinWI]

25. sorry to say, but someone slipped you some Kool Aid n/t

[angrydemocrat]

52. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[yinkaafrica]

7. Russert is a piece of shit

Having said that, I have no idea what Kerry was trying to accomplish.
He really came off as a loser. I hope he forgot about running
in 2008, he has no chance of winning.
He needs to kick Bush's ass for the next four years
and not waste time making believe he is a viable candidate.

[patricia92243]

8. You seriously expected something different?

[angrydemocrat]

54. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[flpoljunkie]

9. Vinnie, were you ever a supporter of John Kerry? Am doubtful. JK did fine.

Tim Russert is a corporate lackey who doesn't know the meaning of the word "follow-up question" when he is interviewing a Republican.

With Democrats, it's cross-examination time. I have no respect for Russert, but I have a great deal of respect for John Kerry and the way he handles himself with the likes of Tim Russert.

[Sydnie]

10. Couldn't have said it better myself!! n/t

[marcologico]

34. Me too. This GE land, remember. They bring in Dems for a turkey shoot.

Kerry wiped that fat piece of shit's ass all over his face.

[Vinnie From Indy]

42. I was, in fact, a Kerry supporter and I worked in the

worst neighborhoods of Cincinnati on election day FOR the Kerry campaign.

[flpoljunkie]

50. An original Kerry supporter?

[coloradodem2005]

11. I was going to watch it.

But knowing what I know now, I won't watch it.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

14. I respect John Kerry, still believe he would have made an

excellent president. And have such feelings of "if only" every single day. Kerry won the election, you know, I know it but we have to play the hand dealt - we KNOW they cheated but we still have a job to do and a country to save. Would you have been happier if he just cleared off a spot and pitched a fit? You are not going to accomplish anything by allowing the smearing by Russert to provide further fodder for tearing yourself down. Kerry has many important issues on the table and the Rove hate spewing machine would have used this interview to further undermine Kerry's ability to challenge King Chimpy on anything.

Do I wish that Kerry had gotten in Russert face and called him a paid whore for the GOP? Yeah, sure, I wanted Kerry to pull out some gloves, slap Russert across the face and challenge him to a duel. I at least wish he had asked Russert, "Why are you dredging up news, why aren't we talking about the future of this country?" "Have you received money from this administration for furthering their agenda?" Anything to expose these frauds for what they are but it isn't going to happen the most satisfying way but it is happening.

We have to provide healthcare to our citizens, we have to get the spending under control, we have got to get out of Iraq and keep The Chimp from getting us into World War III and we have to save social programs. Every time Kerry appears on camera the contrasts between an articulate, thoughtful, wise Senator compared to a bumbling, drooling, brain dead fool is apparent - and even the BushBots can see the difference. This is rambling but it pisses me off how just two months ago we all KNEW that Kerry was the man to lead this country and all a few people can do now is throw stones and be pissed off because Kerry lost to a corrupt system. He is still the man we all wanted for president.

[utahgirl]

12. Kerry got some fine jabs in

at Bush. And his copy of the front page of the Financial Times was inspired at the end. He was forceful in his "NOs" when he disagreed. I don't know what is expected of him. Should he foam at the mouth? He didn't attack over those smears because that would have been couterproductive. It almost reminds me of fighting the tarbaby--any swing would get stuck.

He did a fine job. He hit hard on Iraq and how that has been mismanaged. He didn't back down on Rice. He didn't back down on Scalia. He did some nice "reframing" on abortion. He pounded Bush on his false crisis about Social Security and the deficit.

And Russert was reasonably controlled. He didn't interrupt, and he didn't argue. His questions were from the slime machine, but he gave Kerry ample time to answer them.

utahgirl

[ginnyinWI]

26. yeah--lol

I think some on this board would like JK to come in, all disheveled, and unshaven, with a Reynolds Wrap cap on his head, ranting and railing about how he's really the president, and calling out all the pundits and elected officials in D.C. for a duel at nine paces! heehee

Then they wouldn't have to worry about him anymore--they'd love it that he wouldn't have any more credibility to challenge the GOP power structure with.

[Obviousman]

13. I kinda see what you're saying

Kerry says we shouldnt withdraw (reacting to kennedy's comments) then goes on this longwinded explaination of how we should withdraw within some ammount of time. It was confusing, and he's still answering the question as i'm typing this right now.

[PresidentObama]

15. What are you talking about Vinnie? Kerry Did A Awesome Job

John Kerry did a incredibly good job in this interview. I was expecting it to get ugly, but even mid way when Russert was hitting John with hard hitting question after hard hitting question he answered them and answered them the way they should be. He was clear, and decisive. And sounded a heck of a lot better then President Bush does.

[Kolesar]

16. I'm watching the 10:30 broadcast and Kerry did fine...eom

[Obviousman]

17. Now, im super pissed off

that russert is keeping up with this swiftboat shit

[kerrygoddess]

19. Kerry's replies

about the Swifties were perfect... including calling on the Swifties to ALL release their military records. His reaction to Corsi moving to MA to run against him... he laughed!

GO JK!

[marcologico]

37. Kerry knocked 'em down with perfect aim as usual. Bonus: he smiled a lot!

And laughed! Nice choppers John! Let's see more of 'em!

[demnan]

18. And after the commercial

Kerry flip-flops on abortion!

I'll become a Green before I vote for this fool again.

[w4rma]

20. I'm not watching it, but I seriously doubt he's gone anti-choice. (nt)

[kerrygoddess]

21. Flip Flop?

Wow... it just floors me that people here insist on using Rovian talking points.

Kerry has always been very clear that he personally does not believe in abortion but he WILL NOT legislate against it because of his faith. That is an incredibly honest answer with the correct application of the Constitution.

[ginnyinWI]

22. if you can't understand nuance, then go n/t

[utahgirl]

23. I'll have to read the transcript

but I paid especially close attention to this part and he supported choice. He definitely said that abortion should be one of the choices a woman has. He pointed out that abortion has gone up during Bush's administration because they limited access to ALL the choices including counseling, adoption, and birth control advice. He was so rational that he made a very good impression. He certainly managed to convey that Democrats didn't equate getting an abortion to deciding which set of shoes to buy. This is how the Pro Life faction is so effective in this issue. They've managed to make Pro Choice sound like a dinner menu. He moved the debate away from that.

What he said was Safe, Legal, and Rare. I thought he very effectively did some reframing to say that you had to include after the child was born. He mentioned the lack of insurance for 11 million children.

utahgirl

[Withywindle]

24. What? He said the exact same thing he said in the town hall debate!

That he was personally against it but it wasn't his place to impose his beliefs on others.

And he pointed out that abortion has gone UP under Bush and DOWN under Clinton, because he was talking about the availability of family planning and economic support. He also tied it to lack of health insurance for so many people and to his insure-every-kid idea.

He said abortion should be rare. I agree. Even if you have no religious feelings about a fetus at all (which I don't), abortion is expensive, it's painful, it's invasive, and it's hard on a woman's body and emotions. It SHOULD be a last resort for those reasons alone. But for that to happen, you need a health-care system and a social network that really respects women and children. DUH.

And that's been his position all along.

[ginnyinWI]

30. I was so glad he got that point in--

that the abortion rate has gone up in the Bush adm. That has been an effective talking point when I've talked with the anti-choice people.

He was smart, eloquent, answering those questions nimbly, and was confident and brave enough to go live for the hour--not insist on a taped interview.

And remember, people-- he didn't have to do this at all--it was his choice to go on MTP--he wasn't Russert's victim.

[angrydemocrat]

56. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[New Earth]

58. LOL

w00t! :hi:

[Sparkly]

27. I just saw it, and think Kerry did very well.

Russert carped and harped on every negative thing he could drag up, going back to 1968, of course. But I thought Kerry handled it very well, and his discussion at the end regarding Social Security, healthcare, fiscal responsibility, etc. was terrific!

I understand that many of us are so angry, and we'd love to see Democratic politicians just go off on people like Russert. It'd feel great for a moment, but in the long run I think there's more to lose in that than there is to gain. Just my opinion.

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[CWebster]

29. Smacked ass is what popped into my mind

He still postures as if the entire invasion of Iraq is simply a matter of how it's done. He never questions beyond that--and of course we know why: He isn't in an advantageous position to go there, having supported it.

On abortion? Typical sleazy politician, looking to straddle the line.

[ClassWarrior]

31. Good thing you're the Senator...

...and he's the schmo sitting in front of his computer pickin' his teeth.

NGU.

[seito]

43. lol

Thanks for the laugh :)

[ClassWarrior]

44. Hey you...

:hi:

NGU.

[seito]

46. Hey CW, nice to see ya

:hi:

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[saltpoint]

33. Oh god. I was trying to respond to the Mardi Gras thread --

-- and clicked this one by mistake.

Sorry, everyone.

I'll put on some coffee and try to wake up.

[marcologico]

35. You missed a good show! n/t

[JoshK]

36. What could one expect from a candidate who didn't even mention

that his opponent had committed major war crimes, approved torture & concentration camps, & was best buddies with Enron? Who couldn't even defend himself from the Swifties?

[ClassWarrior]

38. Welcome to DU. Hope you enjoy your stay.

NGU.

[American Tragedy]

39. In that case, I'm glad I didn't watch it.

[ClassWarrior]

40. Why? Because coming to one's own conclusion is overrated?

NGU.

[vickie]

41. This is false. Kerry conducted himself just fine. These spiteful

rants are misleading and demoralizing. Let people watch for themselves and draw their own conclusions. I was upset reading this earlier this morning (prior to MTP airing here on the West Coast), but once I watched it - I thought JK held his own.

Sure Russert was a wind bag asking the same ridiculous questions that have been asked over and over - but that's Fat Tim's problem, not John Kerry's.

[Al-CIAda]

45. I was going to watch it, before I decided against it.

I see by the replies on this board that he STILL can't man up and kick their lying asses by exposing their LIES.

Taking another dive I guess.

[ClassWarrior]

47. You're into forfeiting your own judgement too?

NGU.

[Al-CIAda]

57. Just a rip using a Kerry quote...looking for a leader w/a sack -eom

[angrydemocrat]

60. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[mdmc]

48. oh well

...

[marcologico]

49. OK back to the show. Guys, Kerry picked off every Faux gotcha question

Fatboy had, and he had 'em all, right down to the SBVT clips, quotes, book, and 800 number (okay, no 800 number), with ease. Kerry wiped the floor with the sap. Not easy when you're in the torture chamber of MSM Inc.

[Cheswick2.0]

51. not hardly

Kerry was Kerry, he scored no points. He played defense the whole time.

[New Earth]

53. Do any politicians 'attack' talk show hosts?

i've never seen it :shrug:

[marcologico]

55. Not if they ever want to get elected to anything ever again. . .

Let's put it this way: did the scream do much for Dean's TV career?

[moggie12]

59. maybe Kerry got off to a slow start, but he did a good job overall

The short clips they're running on MSNBC show Kerry making a strong case about Bush needing to finally stop screwing up so bad in Iraq. He said it in a strong, reasonable way that will make people pay attention. I thought he did better this time out than back during the campaign, which at least is some progress... yeah, I know it's frustrating watching the Dems on TV, but at least they're getting a little better -- Carl Levin was great today (sorry, don't know what show he was on)

[marcologico]

62. Moggie I saw the show and didn't see a slow start. He kept his answers

pretty zippy and laughed off the character assassinations, which most of the questions were.

[Califooyah Operative]

61. yea, he so shoulda punched tim russert in the face and been like

"tim, your a right-wing plant" and then , ......afkjl;asjdfkjdk;jdlkjldjskl;sjafjgha;jkdhkahfakjhjakhf


but yea, that kerry can't do anything right, i hate how he's trying to get health care to kids, This guy has no balls. especially the way he stuck up for howard dean,

-annoyance and extreme sarcasm off-

[Endangered Specie]

63. Locking...

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