If Dean isn't DNC Chair do you think he will run in '08? if so...

[WI_DEM]

would you support him?

Speaking for myself, I think Dean would be a great DNC chair, but it looks like with the State Chairs endorsing Fowler that the establishment will probably stop him. Maybe Fowler is ok, we'll see--I think there may be a bit of nepotism since he is the son of a former party chair. But at least he isn't Roemer or Frost.

on the other hand, if Dean is denied the DNC Chairmanship, he has DFA as a powerful grassroots organization and I think he would certainly explore a '08 run for the nomination. My two top picks for '08 would be Al Gore and Howard Dean if they ran--I could enthusiastically support either man.

How about you? do you think Dean will seek the '08 nomination if he isn't the DNC Chair and would you consider supporting him?

[Kagemusha]

1. Misread original post.

Disregard original comment.

[WI_DEM]

3. I know that

I'm saying if he isn't the DNC Chair--I thought that was pretty clear.

[Guaranteed]

7. LOL, it was.

Anyway, if Dean doesn't get the chairmanship I hope he just forms another party. He's better off that way, anyway- there's no better way to shed the DLC image that so many Americans seem to hate.

Sure, that means the Democrats won't win in 2008. But, they won't win anyway. Who gives a shit? LOL

[ElectroPrincess]

4. Good point ...

I do hope Dean scores the DNC leadership. He is a MOTIVATOR. That's exactly what we need to unite the democratic party. Right now I don't see myself voting for anyone other than Dean or Clark for the Presidency. Let's hope if the if Dean is not voted in the DNC leadership he goes on the ticket WITH (VP Candidate) Wes Clark for 2008?

[xultar]

5. Did you read his post? It said ISN'T DNC chair

Just pointing tha tout.

[latteromden]

2. Ugh, I cannot imagine Fowler as DNC chair... I think I'm going to be sick.

I would support Dean in 2008. Definitely.

But if I could have one wish come true for the Democrats for the next four years, it would be Dean for DNC chair - and everything else would fall into place. I don't know if it'll get a chance to, though.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Me, too

If Dean for some reason doesn't get it I'd definietly support him in 2008. I still hope he gets the chair because I think the party needs him.

[Adelante]

6. He would not be my candidate

If he got through the primaries, of course, I would vote for Dean. But I am committed to Clark in '08 and it looks like he is going to run.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Clark is?

Oh yay! I like him too. Him, Dean, Kerry and Gore are my top picks. Of course I'd support anyone who made it past the primaries. :)

[Adelante]

24. Nothing official yet, of course

But it's looking like he will.

[FarLeftRage]

8. Yes

I would defintely support him.

[KittyWampus]

9. I'd Only If Support Him If He Won The Primaries & That PROBABLY

wouldn't happen. Running for elective NATIONAL office just isn't Dean's strong suit.

Dean has several strengths. Honestly, I think Dean seems happier doing DFA and being able to control more of his own agenda.

He'll get more done without holding office.

[Guaranteed]

10. What do you think would happen if he formed another party

and ran that way in '08?

[KittyWampus]

12. Can't Imagine Dean Doing That He Seems Very Committed To The

Democratic Party... that's one of the reasons I respect him.

[Guaranteed]

13. Yes, he's committed, but he keeps being torpedoed, against

the best interests of the party, even. Do you expect him to put up with that forever?

[KittyWampus]

18. Torpedoed? Democracy Implies Concensus Not Rule By Fiat. There

are various versions of what's best for the party and who is best suited to do a, b and c.

[Guaranteed]

20. No, you see, what you're referring to isn't democracy- it IS rule by fiat.

Those in power hand down the instructions to those with the power to derail Dean, and they follow them. You call that democracy?

I mean, who HONESTLY thinks, at this point, that it's in the best interest of the party to continue with business as usual? Isn't it time to start fighting?

Don't you think those on the executive committee are smart enough to realize that?

Or is this just a matter of certain loser leaders trying to hang onto their weak position in an increasingly irrelevant party? Insiders toeing the line and keeping their jobs, at the expense of the best interest of their country and constituents?

You KNOW who is best suited for this job. We ALL know. We know what the party needs. Stop fucking around.

[ldf]

29. what is currently in play

is today's equivilant of the smoke-filled back rooms where the powerful made the decisions.

that really is democracy in action, isn't it?

[cali]

14. I guess you could say that winning

national elections isn't Dean's strong suit. Of course, you could say that about Kerry too. I think what gets lost about Dean not getting the nomination is how well he did. He was an obscure candidate with no ;money and virtually no staff. He made a credible run for the nomination.

[Guaranteed]

15. You know, come to think of it...it's really not exactly the DLC's

strong suit, either. (ahem)

Dean loses a primary election, and folks get down on him for it. How about losing Congressional representatives in 6 STRAIGHT ELECTIONS??? AND losing to the WORST PRESIDENT THIS NATION HAS EVER HAD??

[KittyWampus]

19. Dean's Performance In The Primaries Was Substandard. His Speech

in Iowa FORGET THE SCREAM was just not what a figure running for national elective office does.

And Kerry won as far as I am concerned.

[Guaranteed]

21. ROFL your DLC clowns' performance have been ABYSMAL.

Nothing but, save ONE presidential election in '96, LOSSES.

LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS. LOSS.

You know, I'm starting to think that, just MAYBE, they're doing something wrong!!

And, you know what? Just because those very same loser idiots decided to torpedo Dean, out of their own selfishness, it doesn't mean that Dean's performance was "substandard." He was SUPERB. He was in the right position on virtually EVERY SINGLE issue, with his integrity INTACT.

In fact, Dean's positions were so dead-on that John Kerry eventually took on just about all of them. Too bad he didn't have the integrity to back them up.

[cali]

27. Ah, yes

more denial from you. Sure Kerry really won. Kerry's a good guy, and he should have been able to beat bushco. With the exception of the debates, he did a lousy job. He didn't excite people. He was the abb candidate. Dean certainly made mistakes, but by an large he did a better job in the primaries than Kerry did in the general election. Now that was truly sad. I knew he'd lost it when he did that awful corny salute/reporting for duty thing. Making his less than 3 months in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign was a huge tactical mistake. He didn't have a clear message, and he RAN from his anti-war activities and Senate record. He should stay in the Senate. He sure isn't gonna be the next nominee. He has less of a chance than Dean, and less of a following too.

[Connie_Corleone]

11. Nope. I would not support him.

There are others I would rather see become the presidential nominee.

[Rowdyboy]

16. I think that Dean is unstoppable at this point, but-if you're right and

he loses, I would certainly consider backing him in 2008. However, in all honesty, my heart belongs to Wesley...

[Carolab]

17. I would SO support Dean in '08. We were ROBBED this year. n/t

[lojasmo]

25. He has my support. N/T

[marcologico]

26. Sure, why shouldn't he? No problem that. n/t

[Sparkly]

28. I don't think he'd run for president again

and to answer your second question, if he did, he wouldn't be my first choice in the primaries. But I'll support any Democratic nominee (within reason).