Gonzalez AG Appt Senate Debate: Official Thread #4

[Duncan Grant]

Link to #3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1553663&mesg_id=1553663

[EFerrari]

1. Thanks, I don't know how to do that. nt

[coreystone]

2. How much time does Dayton get??....eom

[Duncan Grant]

5. I don't know. Anyone else? n/t

[EFerrari]

12. Didn't hear a limit. n/t

[Duncan Grant]

3. Sen. Mark Dayton (D - Minnesota)

paraphrase: pResident * made the choice to ignore the Geneva convention (Dayton cites Bybee memo).

[DistressedAmerican]

4. A vision Of The Future Brought To You By The Democratic Party!

Thanks a lot you spineless weasels! I'll be looking for you come 2006!
DA
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

[oldtime dfl_er]

6. hopelessly behind the times

talkin about myself! Is this on cspan streaming?


www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[blondeatlast]

10. Stream didn't open for me, but here's the URL

rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/ter/ter010605_gonzales.rm

Watch this thread, many of us are watching with frequent updates of hig/lowlights. Dayton is up now.

[oldtime dfl_er]

75. Thanx

www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[kuozzman]

7. What's the lowdown on votes?

I heard some Repigs would oppose Gonzo's nomination?

[EFerrari]

9. Where did you hear that? n/t

[LittleClarkie]

16. If they oppose Gonzalez's nomination, then they are not Repigs

There are Kerry voting Republicans right here who also don't deserve the term "repigs." There's a few good ones.

[kuozzman]

62. This debate is crap.

This debate seems like a waste of time. Most people only see about 10 seconds of it, which of course is selected by the pro-Bush media. Gonzo's dumb ass should have to go through more questioning. I don't care if he does dodge the questions, at least it would be clear to more people that he is.

Just listening to the content of this debate makes it clear how pathetic our government is becoming. It sounds like a debate that would take place in Saddam's Iraq! And just like the likely outcome if under Saddam, Gonzo will be confirmed! This is insanity!

Come to think of it, the U.S. IS the old Iraq. Bush IS Saddam. We torture people, we have fraudulent elections, we illegally invade countries, our President says things that are not consistent with reality, logic or reason, etc, etc, etc

We need someone to invade us.

[EFerrari]

8. They keep saying "the use of dogs to intimidate" when Sy Hersh

has reported the DOGS DID BITE. Hard as it is, wish they'd not soften these horrors.

[OneBlueSky]

13. wonder what they'd say if it were lions instead of dogs . . .

or tigers . . . or dingos . . . it's just a matter of degree after all . . .

[EFerrari]

18. Right. Unreported degree. But we liberated Iraq. (nausea) nt

[Duncan Grant]

11. Dayton: Growing evidence that authorities knew of torture

and abuse. Gitmo, Afgan., Iraq, (hidden jails! :scared: )...

[EFerrari]

14. They knew about it for more than a year. And the day the pix

broke, Rumsfeld said on camera, "Oh, this is a tactic of terrorists. There wilL ALWAYS be complaints."

I remember every single word verbatim -- because it was so shocking.

And none of those poor people at Abu Graib WERE terrorists. They were just rounded up like cattle.

[Carolab]

67. Right, which is what really burned me up in Cornyn's "speech"

He kept talking about the Geneva conventions not applying to Al Qaeda, conveniently lumping what happened at Abu Ghraib, etc. in with it all, as though everyone at Abu Ghraib was a terrorist.

[EFerrari]

74. Well, we know who we're dealing with.

[Duncan Grant]

15. Dayton is providing details of abuse and torture from IRC reports. n/t

[dogindia]

17. harrah for Dayton

[blondeatlast]

19. "Astonishing that he's been nominated, astonishing even more that he'll

be confirmed."

Truth to power, Senator Dayton. Wow.

[LSparkle]

20. Dayton did what so many were afraid to: said Condi LIED!

I have newfound respect for this guy.

[Carolab]

68. It was also great that he threw that "partisanship" argument right back

at them, quite rightly so. If ANYONE is being partisan in supporting these nominations, THEY are. So typical, they always accuse others of doing what THEY are guilty of.

I say, let's do what Dayton did, and start accusing them. Let's call them partisan BEFORE they can call US that.

[Lizardking]

21. Toturepig Nomination hearings

it is on cspan2 in chitown my opinion is the dems must filibuster.
Im proud of Durbin and Boxer

[LSparkle]

22. "No special circumstances ... no mandate"

DAYTON ROCKS!

[EFerrari]

23. Dayton's office: 202-224-3244

[latteromden]

25. 612-727-5220 for the Minnesota metro office.

I'm so proud he's my senator!

[Duncan Grant]

24. Dayton: Gonzales opinion grants * discretion in observing...

Geneva Convention - therefore, Executive Branch illegally overrides/reinterprets authority of the Congress. (paraphrase)

[EFerrari]

41. And that's the crux, isn't it? Bush is above the law (or, his puppet

masters are.

I never thought I'd see this day.

[dogindia]

26. somebody check the exit polls for senator in Oklahoma

[EFerrari]

40. Why? What's your idea? nt

[EFerrari]

27. Who's this from OK? nt

[LSparkle]

28. Oh no, is that Tom Cochran?

He's a total nutjob ... I'll have to tune out if it is ...

[EFerrari]

29. Cobrun: 202-224-5754 (phone)

[LSparkle]

30. Oops, meant Coburn

Yep, that's the wacko ... he's in favor of the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions ...

[EFerrari]

32. Sorry. ADD moment :)

[dogindia]

31. what have they done? Tortured people you idiot.

[blondeatlast]

34. "Torture is not a pleasant subject..."

Did he really just say that? I heard it, I just can't believe it...

[Duncan Grant]

33. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma)

Editorial comment:

This is the freshman Senator who believes there's a lesbian epidemic in Oklahoma...

[blondeatlast]

37. that explains so much. Doesn't this dolt realize that if WE do it, so

will they?

Did you notice his stumbling over "humanely?"

[Duncan Grant]

45. Sen. Coburn is a xenophobic asshole.

Why this ass defends torture is beyond me. Everyone knows that people who are tortured will tell you anything you want to hear.

How can that be defended? :shrug:

[Lizardking]

35. Pugs are anti-people

The apolgist pugs must be removed from power
take the red pill and join the resistance while you still can.

[dogindia]

36. bringing up 911. sure now we can do anything to anybody.

Oh yes....cuting heads off.

[LSparkle]

38. So it's fine for us to torture people but if they torture us

we scream bloody murder. Oh, that's right, American lives are worth MORE ...

If they wanted to go ahead and torture the terrorists, why did they declare a frigging WAR? War comes with rules, remember. They should have left this as a "law enforcement action" like Clinton did -- Special Ops guys aren't governed by the Geneva Conventions.

[blondeatlast]

44. Good point--why didn't we declare war on AL-QAEDA?

Had we done so, nearly the entire world would have given us strong, tangible support.

We wouldn't have even had to use the word "war."

NeoCon spin at work.

[LSparkle]

48. If Al Qaeda isn't a country, how can we call it a WAR?

I'm so frustrated by all of this because I've ALWAYS felt this could have been handled more effectively without calling it "war." It was an obvious ploy on the Repugs' part to up the fear ante at home.

[blondeatlast]

51. It's honestly taken me this long to realize that, but it's

crystal clear now.

It's a "war" when it's convenient, it's an "unconventional" conflict when it isn't convenient.

[EFerrari]

53. Declaring war on Al Qaeda wouldn't get the job done.

The oil field job.

We're being manipulated by energy and oil. This has NOTHING to do with National Security. In fact, National Security is now code for "what the multinationals need, they get."

They made fun of us when we called it. They made fun of us when we said Iraq had no WMD. This list gets really long.

Let's review: A liar is our chief diplomat. A liar is about to be our AG. A liar is about to be head of Homeland Sekurity.

Hmmm. Time to disagree,no?

[dogindia]

39. problem these people believe themselves

[EFerrari]

42. If you repeat something 17 times, you do.

Jim Jones must be the Rovian model.

Heads up, incoming.

[dogindia]

43. far reach?

[dogindia]

46. it would be nice if this legal stuff could turn on them.

[EFerrari]

56. It will. It is today.

You can't do all the sh$t they've done and not get caught. Ask TIA for the odds.

Today is important.

[EFerrari]

47. Sept 11th? This has NOTHING to do with 9/11. Can we call this

facile jerk from h*ll and tell him that?
202-224-5754 (phone)

[Lizardking]

49. Warcrimes

Didnt the nazis use the same excuses at Nuremburg?
All of this misadministration should be sent to th Hauge for warcrimes

[blondeatlast]

52. Yeah, they did, but they didn't have Rove writing the script..

Goebbels would kneel to Rove right now.

:puke:

BTW, welcome to DU! :toast:

[EFerrari]

55. Rove will/has over reach. Don't give up. He's not as smart

as he thinks he is. Hubris is a bitch.

[Duncan Grant]

58. From your lips to God's ears.

Welcome to DU, Lizardking! :hi:

[Duncan Grant]

50. Kiss my ass, Coburn.

This guy has the nerve to chastise Democratic Senators for not cooperating?? What about advise and consent you worthless superstitious ass. :grr:

edit: subject line (this guy and Santorum irk me to death)

[LSparkle]

64. Oh geez, another classic windbag: Santorum

He's so f***ing sanctimonious and holier-than-thou. Perfect candidate for The Beast imho.

[Duncan Grant]

54. Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)

Torture is against the principles of our constitution. Gonzales twisted legal standards to authorize/approve Executive Branch violations of the law - to show a reckless disregard and to circumvent Congressional authority.

[Duncan Grant]

57. Stabenow: AG does not represent the President but rather

the people and the Constitution of the United States. Let's not take a step backward by approving a candidate who does not represent democracy.

[Duncan Grant]

59. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas)

Judiciary committee member - on deck.

[LSparkle]

60. Howard Stern's (least) favorite Senator!

Isn't he one of the members of that fundamentalist group that has a house in D.C. rented for them? Yuck.

[blondeatlast]

61. Paraphrase: "He's a shrewd lawyer, so we need him."

That's the Orwellian spin so far.

If the Republicans could see it phrased this way, though, they'd keel over.

[EFerrari]

73. He's a Neo from hell. Forget the lawyering. Really bad news.

He's like Wolfowitz and Feith, an ideologue who vaunts Israel to cover their corporate ties. These guys have multilayered fig leafs. And don't understand that we SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM.

[kuozzman]

63. This debate is crap.

This debate seems like a waste of time. Most people only see about 10 seconds of it, which of course is selected by the pro-Bush media. Gonzo's dumb ass should have to go through more questioning. I don't care if he does dodge the questions, at least it would be clear to more people that he is.

Just listening to the content of this debate makes it clear how pathetic our government is becoming. It sounds like a debate that would take place in Saddam's Iraq! And just like the likely outcome if under Saddam, Gonzo will be confirmed! This is insanity!

Come to think of it, the U.S. IS the old Iraq. Bush IS Saddam. We torture people, we have fraudulent elections, we illegally invade countries, our President says things that are not consistent with reality, logic or reason, etc, etc, etc

We need someone to invade us.

[LSparkle]

66. Are you listening, Canada?

[Duncan Grant]

65. Brownback: Gonzales is the "American Dream".

Oh brother. I've seen enough for one day. This is the same rhetoric that Orin Hatch used.

If I have time tomorrow I'll try to contribute again! Bye all - :hi: :kick:

[MuseRider]

69. Hanging my head in shame.

We just can't dislodge this guy. I am so sorry all, we work so hard here but Brownback is a shoe in for life. He IS looking into running for President so watch for more from this dangerous idiot.

[EFerrari]

70. No shame there. We take him on. n/t

[MuseRider]

71. If he runs

maybe the people will finally see what he is made of. Lies, everything he says is a big lie. Yes, we will take him on. I don't think he has what it takes to get very far in a race like that but then look who we have now.

[EFerrari]

72. We hang in, MuseRider. It's a new hobby of ours :)