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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:56 PM Original message |
Black Churches in LA meet today/move toward GOP |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. You are right they are being used, but at least they won't be ignored like |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It was bound to happen |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Walt, that's just not true |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Please list a few, then. n/t |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. One of the first things that comes to mind is the so-called |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Awww come on...Where were the Dems in 2000 on the issues in FL???? |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. I faulted Kerry AND Dean for not having enough minorities |
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progressiveright (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 02:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
74. Where were dems in florida ?... |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 01:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
67. Let's be honest with ourselves. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. BINGO!!!!!!!!! |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 01:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
68. I guess they forgot about Florida in 2000 |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Xultar, did you see this article |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I SAW THE ARTICLE...I know about that. I was SCREAMING after 11/02 |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
53. Yes I do get it |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Hi xultar--I'm sorry, did I miss something? |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. African-Americans have different concerns, we also have moderates |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. the Democrats |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I don't think the |
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brown6004 (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. I agree. |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. But to here it @ DU we don't care about them anyways they are religious |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 01:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
69. I don't know about |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. Its an awful thing when people with a history of oppression join |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. It's not their fault. Being a Democrat isn't that rosey. When we bring |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Some ideas for Democrats |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Can you be a little more specific. How about an example or two? |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
70. Exactly Xultar |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
85. True, dems aren't offfering a lot; but to join the GOP for the gay-bashing |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. THIS is the point that concerns me and sickens me. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. The GOP is a party of lies, bigotry and hatred. They showed such mean |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Excellent point, Oasis! |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
42. They'll |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Good point, Tomee. The party should be held accountable. |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. Faith Based Charity welfare money |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. WTF some of those African American ministers have Rolls Royces! Welfare |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I believe he means the Welfare for Churches |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
86. it comes from having the tax payer money |
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DalvaThree (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. Didn't Kerry get a vast majority of the African American vote? |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
37. Kerry did get a majority but LOST some of our base |
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DalvaThree (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. how much? |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. CNN exit polls, articles quoting Democrats, it's all over |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Just watch the RNC Convention |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 02:03 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. All I remember about the RNC crowd was that one woma with 4 chins |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. Jesse Lee Patterson is the boob that Bill O'Reilly discovered several |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Well if the GOP/Right see's him as one w/influence in |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I suspect that he is a creation of the right via Bill O'Reilly. Patterson |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Thanks for the info., Oasis. I don't think he was in |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
15. Black churches have issues with many liberal views. |
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DalvaThree (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I knew a number of very religious AAs in St. Paul who had no |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Anecdotal and proves nothing. Are you disputing Rep. Owens statement? |
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DalvaThree (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I'm saying the sky isn't falling |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Alright, sit on your hype and lookie see what happens when 2008 comes |
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DalvaThree (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I'm not saying not to do anything |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. You may be right. Welcome to DU, DalvaThree! |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Fine ignore my assertion but you can't ignore all of this...... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. How very sad... thanks for sharing this excerpt, |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. BINGO! WAKE UP CALL TO DEMOCRATS! |
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Aussie_expat (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. IMHO |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
49. And yet there's some truth in that perception |
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sally343434 (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes, and how much are they paying these ministers? |
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Al-CIAda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. Conservative Christian Rep: Are "Paid For" Christians Voting Hypocrites? |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
91. Ole Pat ain't the only one on the dole... |
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independentchristian (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. People who don't know anything do stupid things |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. So calling them "know nothings" and "stupid" helps? |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. That's what I'm saying. The attitude around here even if it is @ minimum |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Well, if I have to choose between a party that is going to sell out |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
77. Well why not just go Green? I'm trying to be positive so hear me out. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. First off, my local Democratic Reps usually mirror my views. |
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independentchristian (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. No, it's actually, not going to help, but it's true in this case |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. That's right! The Democrats LOST part of their base because they... |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
48. Well when they can't go to the doctor, or can't get social security they |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
50. Dean Better Get On Top Of This Soon With More Than Saying "Show Up" |
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Clarks_Babe (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Showing up is a good start |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Slogans are not going to impress the guy on the street or black ministers |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 10:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Dean spoke out about it on Saturday, right before Webb endorsed him |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-05 11:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. "Dean will handle this the way Clinton did" |
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SoCalifer (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
59. Hmmm |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Apparently there are black Republicans in CA and more considering the GOP |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
64. I think this is pro-GOP spin - the truth is closer to this story |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Thank you for this article link! |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 02:08 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. You're welcome. I think merh, who wrote the other post, |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Big surprise |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 03:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
76. God I hope so, I'm sitting here in tears just thinking about it |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:24 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. But what did the Democrats do to fight for civil rights... |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Well, the answer is certainly NOT to joing the racist RWingers, is it? |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. The blivet** cartel thinks minorities are stupid. Oops--miscalculation! |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
79. More proof that gullibility is not a racial trait. n/t |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
82. Bottom Line-The Bush Reich is Buying the Black Churches & Pastors |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
83. RevMoon has been spreading big $$$ to black ministers for years. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
88. This should not surprise anyone. |
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Obviousman (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
89. We are truly fucked |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. It's all about show me the money.....how soon they forget.. |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
92. "What a Crock"? |
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vet 65 69 (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. here what bush thinks of the black vote in ky |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I'm all for supporting the African American constituency |
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