Kerry bashing is a herpes sore on the ass of DU

[graywarrior]

It goes away for a while, so you think it's been cured. Then, wham.....a festering sore starts another bash thread and we all jump in and partake in the oozing.

Get the fuck over it.

[GRLMGC]

1. hahahahaha

thanks for the imagery

oh, and I agree

[XanaDUer]

2. LOL!

Good one.

[billbuckhead]

5. I'm pissed he has all this money left over.

Millions of Americans sacrificed to raise money so that he would have a strong chance in the so called battleground states. I feel pissed that he didn't spend that money.

[wheresthemind]

12. With hindsight that is easy to say...

I think Kerry's explaination was a good one!


MR. RUSSERT:  One area that many Democrats were concerned was leftover money.  This is the way one of the papers, The New York Times, reported it: "Senator John Kerry had more than $14 million in one of his election accounts in late November, according to a report filed with the Federal Election Commission, causing some Democrats to complain that he should have spent all of it to defeat President Bush or to help other Democratic candidates."

Why did you hold that money?  Why didn't you spend it on yourself and other Democrats?

SEN. KERRY:  Well, we spent unprecedented sums on other Democrats around the country.  No candidate has ever given as much money as I did to the Democratic Committee.  We gave $40 million.  I gave $3 million, $4 million, to the DSCC, to the Democratic Senate committee.  I gave $3 million to the House committee. We gave money to parties, to the degree that every state director wanted.  And the reason we had some of the money left over is that, as you know, I wanted to hold my--I wanted to accept the nomination later.  There was an uproar in the party.  People didn't want you to accept it because there was a 13-week general election for our campaign and an eight-week general election for the Republicans.  We couldn't spend the money legally in the month of August.  We had the money held in reserve in the event that some state director said, "We desperately need the money," and we gave more money than the directors seemed to be able to--we were--money was not an issue in the outcome of what happened in this race.

MR. RUSSERT:  How much do you have left?

SEN. KERRY:  I don't know what it is now because we paid extra costs of the campaign.  We still have audits.  We paid--I gave $1 million to the Senate Campaign Committee.  I gave $250,000 to Christine Gregoire's recount in Washington.  I gave $50,000 to a House race in Louisiana...

MR. RUSSERT:  A few more dollars...

SEN. KERRY:  ...so we're trying to build parties...

MR. RUSSERT:  ...a few more television ads in Ohio may have turned over those 70,000 voters?

SEN. KERRY:  There was no request for them.  Could it in retrospect?  It's conceivable, but there was no demand at that point in time.  People thought they had what they needed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/6886726/

[LittleClarkie]

13. What "all this money"

He doesn't have that much more than Gore did at the end.

He gave to all who asked, and more than anyone ever did before.

Sooo... whatcha talkin' 'bout, Willis?

[XanaDUer]

41. I'm sorry that you're pissed

what do you want me to do about it?

[skylarmae]

3. great visuals....

I love a good diagnostic

[graywarrior]

4. Kerry bashing threads need a friggin enema

[wheresthemind]

6. thank you!!

"Get the fuck over it."

:)

Until someone on DU invents and time machine SHUT UP!

[ScreamingMeemie]

7. Oh please....

:eyes: Poor Mr Kerry. Perhaps he shouldn't have voted for Bush's little war turned giant WART on humankind.

[politicasista]

8. You must be a Deaniac or Clarkie

:mad: :grr:

[wheresthemind]

9. FUCK THE PRIMARY LABELS!!!

They're over... That doesn't help anything...

[ScreamingMeemie]

11. Oh please...I'm a person who campaigned my butt off for Kerry. I don't

have to like him, but I did expect more from him. This is a discussion board where people bring many opinions...they don't have to agree with you. :hi:

[LittleClarkie]

15. Perhaps both at the same time, sorta like Two-face

one side Clarkie, one side Deaniac.

One side's always ramming into the door frame to spite the other.

Deanie? Clarkiac?

Dean-ial?

Clarkiac arrest?

And the IWR was soooo 2002. We love him now. He voted against Condi. It's Feingold we hate now. The Patriot Act vote is ancient history. He voted for Condi. So he's out and Kerry's in. See how that works?

[Laurab]

24. You're right it gets so confusing

I can never keep track of who's in and who's out. I mean, every single damn day. Today I thought they all behaved pretty well, but I might have missed something? Oh, yeah, JK had the gall to send out an email asking us to help kids or something...um, is that good or bad? I THOUGHT it was a good thing, but I could be wrong....

[LittleClarkie]

31. Naw, he's just campaigning for 2008 doncha know

Even when he's standing at the grave of a soldier, he's campaigning for 2008.

That comment really, really pissed me off when it was suggested. Is there nothing this man can do that won't be considered "campaigning for 2008." Such a self-defeating way to look at the world.

[graywarrior]

10. No. Poor us. We're forced to pick the scabs of these annoying threads

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. ...and yet we start new ones on the subject.

:hi:

[LittleClarkie]

18. Yep, because this is a discussion board where we have many opinions

You don't have to like it, you just have to put up with it.

And I worked for him to. So I have a right to defend him if *I* want.

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. And I have a right to "bash" (snort) him if I want...

So we're even. Too bad. They all get it. It's a democracy, and I'm tired of people getting upset about it but Oh Well.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Yep, and I can have an opinion about your bashing

like you should get over it, or that it's unproductive, or childish, or that we have better targets for our ire. Does that mean you will stop. Probably not. But that's democracy for ya. Oh well indeed.

[LittleClarkie]

21. Didn't vote for the war

Probably thought someone would stop the Chimperator before it came to that.

Have you ever read the speech he gave on the Senate Floor about that vote? In case you ever want to, here it is. I copied it from the Congressional Record onto my little site on proboard.

http://kerrycrat.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=Research&action=display&num=1104648362

[CTLawGuy]

32. I can't let

blatant rationalization like this pass...


Millions of people called in to beg the Dems to vote against IWR, which was Bush's favorite resolution of the bunch I might add, because it was Bush's blank check to throw international law out the window.

If Kerry didn't want him to use the authority, he shouldn't have given it to him...

[LittleClarkie]

33. Not rationalizing, just going with what the man said

Why he thought he could trust the Bush Co not to fuck it up, I don't know. Maybe even he couldn't fathom how they could use 9/11 for politics. It took me a while to get my head wrapped around that particular bit of evil too.

Kerry said he gave Clinton the same authority. But Clinton didn't fuck it up. The responsibility is on the Chimp, not on the Congress that was blatantly lied to. Lied to by no less than Colin Powell, of all people. Don't know why I was surprised, but I was. Back in my pre-awakened state, I trusted Powell. No more.

[CTLawGuy]

36. If Kerry was lied to,

and if that excuses him of responsiblity,

then it follows that Bush was lied to by the intelligence agencies and he was duped as well.


Thats BS.

Bush behaved irresponsibly with intelligence. He put no effort into making sure it was valid. He rushed into war without evaluating the necessity of doing so.

Kerry also saw that SAME intelligence. He irresponsibly allowed Bush to make war without properly evaluating the veracity of that intelligence.

knowing his past experience with a similar immoral war in Vietnam, where it was CLEAR that Kerry understood the immoral nature of the war, it was suspicious that he would not recognize the parallels with this situation. This is especially true since Kerry voted against a more moral war in the first Gulf War.

This shows to me that Kerry voted based on politics, since he was going running for president, and not on principle. This vote had dire costs in terms of money, credibility and human life.

Tom Daschle and the Dems were in control of the senate. They could have killed the IWR and perhaps stopped this war, even if they had to push forth a better resolution with more safeguards.

They chose not to. Moving to the center, to them, was paramount, to win in 2002. It failed and now we are stuck in a horrible situation.


It doesn't matter what the man says, but what he does, and why.

[LittleClarkie]

38. How does that follow re: Bush

"...then it follows that Bush was lied to by the intelligence agencies and he was duped as well. Thats BS. "

Not when he was the perpetrator of the lie. Not when he was the one who told Powell to go present the evidence in uniform. Not when, as Randi said, some of that cooked evidence was 10 years old and some of it was faked. You think the intelligence committee came up with that stuff itself and lied to Bush about it? Is that why they were working so hard against him during the election, releasing leaks and such? Bush Co. has tried to blame the intelligence community both for 9/11 and for the evidence that they used for the Iraq War. And THAT'S b.s.

[CTLawGuy]

40. It doesn't even matter

whether Bush cooked the intelligence. He can always claim he was duped, especially if Kerry says he, himself, was duped by intelligence.

You don't give a president power he doesn't need, and unless you expect him to use it. There must be a reason he wants it.

You don't trust ANY president, especially not a president of the other party.

If we are to trust the president, why have a democracy? Why not just have a dictatorship?

If we accept the premise that the president should be trusted, then having checks and balances in government makes zero sense. They would just serve to make government unnecessarily slow and inefficient.


If we should trust the president about war, why not trust him about his social security plan? Why not trust his supreme court nominees?

I don't believe that Kerry favored the war at all. He didn't want this to happen. But I believe his desire to be "electable" overrode his preferences. That upsets me.

[graywarrior]

16. It's like a god damn virus around here.

A bad penny, an allergy, a facial tick.

I can't wait for the next democrat to not win.

Karl Rove loves this shit.

[oasis]

17. They'll be a cooling off period soon enough.

[graywarrior]

19. Like a herpes attack

Then they come back.

[oasis]

22. No herpes smiley but

:scared:

[graywarrior]

26. My rendition of

Herpe clusters :mad: :mad: :mad:

[LittleClarkie]

28. Here's one for the occasion

One should be careful who one shoots at, as one might get caught in the backdraft.

[flordehinojos]

25. i think one thing is to bash someone. in my mind, bashing is akin to

making up bad stuff about someone...it is another thing to say, "Kerry disappointed me." "He should have fought it out for a recount." "He conceded too soon." "Kerry ought to just give up." That, in my mind is not Kerry bashing. It is people saying how they feel about Kerry and I thought we had freedom of speech and freedom of the press... I mean, the lack of either is one of the things we criticize gee-dubya for.

[graywarrior]

29. Yabut, it's becoming one big cluster fuck

We all know Kerry didn't win. We all know why.

[BlueInRed]

27. It's pretty much everybody bashing, not just Kerry

I think every candidate from the primaries gets both bashed and praised, for good or bad. I see Dean bashing, Clark bashing, and even possible 08 candidates bashing, not to mention the good old Gore bashing. And for every bashing thread, there's another that's a praise of the same person.

I don't believe Kerry is being singled out any more than others. It seems to me we're still fighting the primaries and even the 2000 election. JIMO.

[NinetySix]

30. It's all about November 3rd.

The fraud which was perpetrated on us by the Machiavelian Right and which became obvious even during the evening of the 2nd deserved to be fought immediately and unflinchingly. It was as though we were upriver, having fallen from the boat into the water -- but we knew about Kerry's character. And when we heard Edwards at 2:00 AM telling us that they were not going to concede, it was as though they had turned the boat around and were coming back toward us. I just knew they would pull us out of the water after all....

But then at noon the next day, it was as though they passed us by, headed downriver and out of the firefight, leaving us to fend for ourselves in the crossfire, unprotected. Kerry's concession, following as it did so closely on the heels of Edwards' promise to the contrary, deflated and discouraged us all, and it is thus no wonder that some (including myself) still hold it against him.

I loved the man during the campaign, and I honestly thought he would be President until about 11 o'clock election night, but I must say, his tallk of fighting for us stood in stark contrast to the way he wilted like a daisy at the end. It is a hard blow to overcome. I respect your opinion whether you agree or disagree with me, but please understand and accept this honest explanation of my disappointment and disillusionment with John Kerry for what it is.

[LittleClarkie]

35. Not all, but some

Some never liked the man, and are carrying over primary battles.

Some supported him, but feel let down by the fraud and his reaction to it.

So we get this weird mix of those who believe in the fraud, and are disappointed in Kerry, some who believe in the fraud but never liked Kerry, and others who don't believe in the fraud, never liked Kerry and so go after Kerry for losing. "You said he was electable. I guess not."

Kind of a mishmash bash.

[Pastiche423]

34. "Get the fuck over it"

Is that like:

“Stop crying in your teacups."

John Kerry
January 24, 2004

[LittleClarkie]

39. Indeed

We did need to stop crying in our teacups at that point. How was it productive at that point to be still beating our tits about 2000. It was ancient history at that point.

The most negative thing I can say about that statement was that it probably shows that he didn't understand all that went on in 2000. And he didn't think Gore ran a very good campaign. But then, Gore's advisors kind of stunk too. And I will admit Kerry's could have been better. We still won, mind you. But it could have been better.

[burn the bush]

37. what a way with words you have lol

[KissMeKate]

42. herpes sores are concentrated around the genitalia- not on the buttocks

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[Moderator]

43. Locking...

Flame bait and Group Attack.

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