Fowler says Rosenberg's out

[crispini]

But Rosenberg hasn't said so himself yet. :wtf:

Salon article:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html#fowler

Did Donnie Fowler jump the gun?
Is it wishful thinking, or does Donnie Fowler know something that nobody else does? Fowler, who wants the DNC race to become a two-man contest with Howard Dean so that he can consolidate anti-Dean votes behind him, says in his newest blog entry that Simon Rosenberg has dropped out of contention.

Rosenberg hasn't picked up much support in the race, but neither has he made a public announcement about dropping out yet. There's no hint of Rosenberg's departure on his own Web site, and Tuesday's New York Times says Rosenberg is still in.

Fowler's blog:
http://www.changetheparty.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=96

In the last two days, several candidates have withdrawan from the race for chair -- David Leland, Martin Frost, Simon Rosenberg, and Wellington Webb. Only three remain, including Governor Dean, Former Congressman Tim Roemer, and myself. And only I and Dean have proven that we have the message and organization to gather any substantial support. It's a two-man race.

Edited to add snips.

[last1standing]

1. Whether he is or isn't, Fowler screwed up.

He won't be getting Rosenberg's loyalists now.

[Adelante]

3. Kind of a crummy thing to do, too

IMHO

[KittyWampus]

11. Fowler Doesn't Seem All That Adept. At LEAST We Know Dean Is

both competent and qualified.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. Fowlers specialty is leaks.

Remember the screwing over he let the Clark campaign do to the Draft movement?

[janx]

23. I was just wondering if you had read this!

;-)

The hilarious part about all of it is that Fowler is going to be the one without any party favors if Dean wins it. Rosenberg, well...do you remember what Dean said?

LOL!

[Clark2008]

2. I swear, this DNC race is more contintious than the primaries!

:hi: crispini!

[LittleClarkie]

15. Actually, I'm finding it unifying

Even in this thread, we have a Clarkie and a Kerrycrat who want Dean.

The support here is more consolidated, I think.

I don't see where Donnie has all that much support either. And he's certainly not getting THIS Rosenberg supporter. He can kiss my grits now!

[sandnsea]

22. Given those three choices

I prefer Dean too. I always thought Fowler was a little twirp, this confirms it. And Rosenberg is just too far to the right. Howard can do a good job provided he settles down and thinks before he speaks.

[crispini]

28. Hola Clark2008!

Man, politics is better'n a soap opera isn't it? If we could only convince more intelligent people of that....

I'm still enjoying the post-tie-glow, you? :evilgrin:

[TeacherCreature]

4. I love it when the anti-Dean "Great DLC hopes" shoot each other

....in the foot, in public.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!:toast:

[Pepperbelly]

6. truly ... I don't think there's that much opposition to Dean.

He's clearly head and shoulders, demonstrably better for us than any of the others. If you want to know what the Clintons think about it, see what Harold Ickes said. He's for Dean now.

I think it's a done deal and as someone who was a Clark supporter during the primary battles last year, I have favored Dr. Dean for this since he indicated his interest.

[TeacherCreature]

7. Agreed. I wish all the Clark folks here were as cool as you are....

A few them seem to just HATE Dean and post stuff to make him look like the anti-christ or something.

I suspect that at least some of them are phonies anyway, since Dean and Clark are actually very sympatico politically and we have any number of Clark supporters in DFA groups across the country.

Anyway I hope that very soon we will realize that we are all in this together...

[KittyWampus]

14. I'm Familiar With Almost ALL Clark Supporters On DU

and haven't witnessed any hate directed from them to Dean nor any attempt to make him the anti-christ.

I HAVE witnessed boatloads of hate from Dean supporters directed at every other candidate who isn't Dean.

And precious little REAL information about any of those other candidates... just a lot of name calling.

[TeacherCreature]

16. Oh please. I visited the DU Clarkies site before it was locked down,,,

I gor a glimpse at least of what was going on there, so give me a break,

I personally do not believe that the Dean haters represent the opinions of most Clark supporters in the real world.

And we will be united in our common cause soon enough.

[incapsulated]

29. I founded DU Clarkies

It was a year ago I founded that forum, which was intended as a place for us to hang out, mainly because we were cluttering up our own threads during the primaries and after with socializing and fooling around.

I recently handed over the reins to another Clarkie, but I still spend most of my online time over there.

Recently, there was what seemed to be a constant attack of Clark here, often by the same posters over and over, and they were Dean supporters.

Of course, we vented in what we thought was the privacy of our own little forum. Not about Dean, who I support for Chair and for whom I was posting petitions and the like here before most Dean supporters, but about the people here that seemed to have a need to constantly disrupt threads, bashing Clark, without provocation.

Then we discovered that not only had our site, (which wasn't "hidden", as some have said, but was never advertised here for fear of freepers bothering us), been found by those hostile to us here at DU, it was ultimately hacked. After that, we were forced to go into "lockdown" for fear of more mischief.

As for your assertion that Clarkies are attacking Dean, all I can do is laugh. Projection is a sad coping mechanism. I haven't said a bad word about the man for over a year. And all I got for supporting his run for chair was accused of being part of some evil scheme to "get him out of the way" for a Clark '08 run, a paranoid conspiracy theory that made Clarkies like myself stop posting about Dean at all.

[TeacherCreature]

40. Hmmm Well iIam willing to take your word on this as a general point

I think there is plenty of evidence for self-styled "Clarkie" hiostilty to Dean and his campaign for DNC chair HERE---but it may well be that this comes from a small and unrepresentative group.

We shall see in the coming months I guess....

[Kahuna]

45. I don't believe it. I'm one of the few Clarkies who doesn't..

like Dean. Yet, I don't go out of my way to bash him. And if you contend that I do, you can TRY to find such a post and we can discuss it via du mail. The ball is back in your court now.

[TeacherCreature]

46. I am not trying to "prove" anything. The idea of a conflict is not new

Maybe it's time to stop fighting the primaries anyway.

Dean will probably become DNC chair, and that will chnage the whole dynamic, I presume.

[Adelante]

30. Cryingshame isn't even in DU Clarkies

She doesn't deserve to be pinned with that. TeacherCreature, both camps have their rant rooms. I have visited the Jungle Room, as well. This has reached a point of no return. Let's just cut it, can we? :hi:

[TeacherCreature]

39. Well hopefully we can all get past this bitterness for the greater good

I recognize that afew misguided Clarkies do not represent the many good folks who supported Clark's campaign.

Heck, I am working with several of them in my PA DFA group RIGHT NOW.

So maybe we shoulk try to focus on what UNITES us a bit more, eh?

[Adelante]

44. Okay

I recognize a few misguided Deanies do not represent the many good folks who supported Dean's campaign. So I guess we are in more agreement than we might suppose. As far as uniting, I support Dean's current campaign and I have made that known here at DU for weeks. I thought that was uniting. I do not post gratuitous negativity about him or any other Democrat. I thought that was uniting. What I don't think we should do is equate disagreement between Clark supporters and Dean supporters with an attack on either man. It's not. It's just a stupid squabble and has nothing to do with anything meaningful.

Peace.

[Crunchy Frog]

49. I can assure you that no one on that site

has been involved in anti-Dean postings on DU. The opinions of Dean amongst members there vary, but by and large, most of them are supportive of Dean becoming DNC Chair. The negative stuff that you saw directed at some Dean supporters was a direct response to a major campaign of anti-Clark vitriol, most of it getting initiated completely out of the blue, often on posts that had absolutely nothing to do with Clark.

Many Clarkies were even being attacked for defending Dean and expressing support for him. We had thought that we were in a safe place where we could vent until we learned that we had attracted the attention of large numbers of hostile lurkers. It is now, once again, a safe place for us to vent.

The sentiment that you saw there were not Dean hatred, and not hatred of Dean supporters. Those sentiments were strictly against people going out of their way to attack Clark and his supporters, and those trying to refight the primaries and stir up trouble amongst different groups of Democrats.

[DancingBear]

17. I must agree

I am a Clark guy until I breathe my last, but I have been singing the praises of Dean for DNC chair to anyone who will listen.

He is the perfect candidate - and with DFA he is (correctly) building a grassroots organization.

He is a fine man, and I have not seen any true Clark supporters disparage him in ANY way.

[TeacherCreature]

25. I think you guys are great, Maybe I am getting the wrong idea

From that aforementioned,now closed website and a few cranky posters here at DU.

I always assumed that the Clark and Dean forces had more in common than not.

Maybe I was right after all.

[DancingBear]

32. Yep, you were

These are two (viewed as) outside the mainstream guys whose vision for the future includes (gasp!) actually speaking their minds without fear of how it plays in some concocted focus group image of what America wants to hear.

We need a thousand more of 'em. :)

[TeacherCreature]

38. Thanks. And we see that it is looking very good indeed for Dean now.

All of these union endorsements are obviously a help.

I don't doubt that the DLC cretins might have a trick or two yet to play.

But it is getting harder and harder by the day.

We may be able to save this party yet.

[LittleClarkie]

12. This Kerrycrat wasn't before, but she is now

I had to let him grow on me.

As it is, I would have taken him or Simon. Now I'm hoping Simon gets to help in there somewhere, because I think his organizing skills would be good, and he's also talking like Dean, but not in a phoney way like Fowler, who's more like Roemer in his message.

Paging Dr. Dean. Code Blue.

[Name removed]

13. Deleted message

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[Zhade]

47. But the DLC saved the Democratic party!

Or at least that's what some hopelessly misguided DUer said recently...

[janx]

5. AAR had some fun with Donnie yesterday--

and they're still talking about it today! (The Marks on Morning Sedition)

[XemaSab]

8. Fowler's right

about it now being a two man race.

Two men and a small boy remain....

[Debi]

9. Well...

That would be the first time Fowler jumped the gun....
Oh, wait, the ASDC endorsement...:kick:

[LittleClarkie]

10. That's it, it's official

I DON'T LIKE DONNIE FOWLER!!!

What a weasel! What a slimey little weasel.

This Kerrycrat votes for DEAN!

And I like Simon Rosenberg. Simon is more qualified than this little dweeb anyday. Fowler better not get in, I swear, or we ARE in trouble. And if he is indeed the "anti-Dean" then whoever is propping up the little turkey is in trouble with me too.

YYYYYYAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!! GO DEAN!

(How was that for a Dean scream, Deaniacs? How did the Kerrycrat do? We're not used to showing such emotion, doncha know.)

[janx]

31. It was very good!

:hi:

[NYCGirl]

18. Rosenberg answers:

Rosenberg to Fowler: I'm not dead yet

We reported earlier today that Donnie Fowler has taken it upon himself to announce Simon Rosenberg's withdrawal from the DNC race. As you might imagine, Rosenberg's campaign staff isn't exactly thrilled about it -- especially since Rosenberg hasn't made any announcement about his departure just yet.

The Rosenberg campaign just released this clinched-teeth statement from spokesman Guillermo Meneses: "All Democrats need to remember that we must work together to unite our party, not divide it. Today, the day of Bush's State of the Union address, Simon Rosenberg understands that this is a time for Democrats to stand together and fight for our values and principles; Simon is in the race working to try and strengthen our party to prepare us to stand up and fight the Bush Administration at every turn."

We're awaiting word back from the Fowler campaign, which is still running the premature announcement as a post on Fowler's blog.

-- Tim Grieve

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

[Debi]

19. Gee.

Donnie wouldn't fudge the truth just to fool the public would he?

Change Can Win! Fowler, Dean, & Roemer Remain in Race
Written by Donnie Fowler
Good news for Democrats! Change is still in view for the DNC.

In the last two days, several candidates have withdrawan from the race for chair -- David Leland, Martin Frost, Simon Rosenberg, and Wellington Webb. Only three remain, including Governor Dean, Former Congressman Tim Roemer, and myself. And only I and Dean have proven that we have the message and organization to gather any substantial support. It's a two-man race.

<snip>

edited...this wasn't just on Fowler's site...he wrote the lie

[janx]

21. GRRRR....

I like Rosenberg. We need him. This was an incredibly stupid thing for Fowler to do! :grr:

[trillian]

24. I like Rosenberg too

I think he would do a better job than Dean.

Rosenberg is uniter, not a divider. The Dem Party needs some like that who can work with all the disparate factions.

[BlueInRed]

26. Yup, it appears Donnie is fully capable of saying the wrong thing too n/t

[TeacherCreature]

27. What is Donnie smoking these days?

I don't like Rosenberg's apparent pro-war stance but I also have heard some good things about him.
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Donnie on the other hand seems to be playing like an amateur and that if nothing else would seem to disqualify him from the race.

When this is over we are all going to have to work together, Maybe someone shouild remind Donnie of that,

[janx]

33. This isn't the first time he has said something stupid.

He was interviewed on AAR's Morning Sedition yesterday, and they've been ripping into him and laughing at him ever since.

[LittleClarkie]

34. Must. fight. Python. reference.

Rosenberg: I'm not dead yet!

Fowler: You'll be stone dead in a minute.

Rosenberg: I feel happy. I feel happy!

Fowler: (thunk!)

[crispini]

35. ROFL, Little Clarkie!

Where else but on DU could you find Python humor about the DNC race?

[WI_DEM]

36. Fowler has gotten increasingly desperate since his ploy

with the State chairs backfired.

[JI7]

37. neither Fowler or Rosenberg has any chance

[TeacherCreature]

41. This is how it looks today. I hope its true.

nt

[JI7]

43. i think both Rosenberg and Fowler might just be trying to get attention

or use the time to get whatever message they want out. but i don't think they are serious contenders. i think Martin Frost was serious about it which is why he dropped out when he saw he was unlikely to get it. and Frost probably had a better chance than both Rosenberg and Fowler.

but both guys are young enough that they might have a chance of getting it in the future. and their running this time might be more about the future than them thinking they have a serious chance this time.

[lojasmo]

42. LoJasMo to Fowler: You're out too! N/T

[itzamirakul]

48. I like both Dean and Fowler..

I want Dean to get the DNC Chair, but I like Fowler's ideas and his position on many things also.

Rosenberg is DLC under another name. I do not like him and I hope that he gets no place of influence in the Party.

I am sick to death of DLC and anything connected to it.