Official Gonzales debate thread2 - Day2

[3days]

Claiming that it might be prejudice that is causing the members of the senate to rise and speak out against an AG designate who condones torture.
What a nimrod!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1557081&mesg_id=1557081

[sabra]

1. Rename your title to: Official Gonzales debate thread2 - Day2

With a reference to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1557081&mesg_id=1557081

and then will trash Hatch!

[sabra]

2. Hatch defense for Gonzo: He's a good man, I've known him for 4 years...

There you have it! Debate over, let's nominate him!

[stevedeshazer]

5. And he's Hispanic!

And you're racist if you don't support him!

And John Ashcroft was great, too.

And, have I mentioned how much I'd like to stick a dirty sock in Hatch's piehole. What a waste of oxygen.

[sabra]

6. That was such a waste of time!

[sabra]

3. Hatch: We have a chance to confirm a man who is a decent man

who is of Hispanic origin. What exactly is his point? Not sure...

[stevedeshazer]

7. Circular logic

1. He's Hispanic

2. If you vote against him, you're anti-Hispanic/racist/insert your own pejorative term here

3. Repeat steps 1 and 2

[sabra]

4. Hatch: John AsssssCroft

you were attacking him all these years, because he was so conservative.

[gottaB]

8. Do they have barf bags in the Senate Gallery?

Hatch is nauseating.

[cyberpj]

On Hatch -

He seems so astonished that anyone is opposing - it's in his voice - what an actor!

"We've worked with Gonzolez for 4 years!" -- Uh, Ye-ah! That's the PROBLEM!

Is the hatred of the president so bad that "they" transfer it to his nominees?

Yes, Orin, it's all because we hate Bush.
It has nothing to do with advocating torture.

Awww... he personally resents it. Too bad. Sit down.

Now he's admonishing anyone who votes against Gonzoles and says "the people" ought to consider that.

Guess he's pushing for "the people" to vote all Republican for the next congress again.

SIGH!

[Adelante]

29. "what an actor!"

So true. He really is a slippery fella. :puke:

[CWebster]

9. Is he up there whining again? nt

[realFedUp]

10. Mr. Allard. Mr. Allard, aye

oy...these guys aren't even entertaining....

[gottaB]

Virtue?

Louis Saint-Just was also said to be a man of virtue.

[sabra]

11. Allard - more of the same crap...

We are now hearing the life story of Gonzo... Do I see a pattern here?

[cyberpj]

12. Do you think they photocopied it and handed it out?

Is there nothing else to say for him but his background and that he struggled?

[sabra]

13. It was the exact same story with Rice!

[cyberpj]

15. Bo-oring........ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............. eom.

[stevedeshazer]

14. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz allard zzzzzz

How did this idiot get elected?

[cyberpj]

16. hey- we fell asleep at the exact same time! same ol, same ol...

[cyberpj]

19. If they can agree on what they'll say, can't they agree on how to say

ABU GHRAIB

aboo grahbby!?

[MARALE]

25. This man is full of hate

I saw him on Cspan talking about crazy liberal wackos and spewing hate radio talk. Now I expect that from freepers, not from Senators. I am really getting tired of all this name calling. It seems the US is getting more immature all the time and can't argue on merit, just on hypocrisy and hate. Even watching Cspan, we are subject to this from republicans.

[CWebster]

17. "lawful combatants must pass the smell test"

--any loophole will do to undermine Geneva to allow torture.

That is the point.

[G_j]

18. watching those nazis yesterday

was horrible. When I found out the Dems wimped out on the filibuster it essentially ruined my day/week/year. If they won't put it all on the line to stop Gonzales, then they will not draw the line ANYWHERE.
Should I say it? It's official, Democracy in America is dead.

I guess I'm OT here because I refuse to watch today. Just venting..
:argh:

[CWebster]

22. I wonder the same thing-

If this isn't worthy--what the hell is? What could be fucking worse?

[G_j]

33. and to listen

to the slanderous hate speech directed at them by Republicans, how could they not fight back with every tool they have?

I'd like to ask, are there any boundaries at all to this erosion of human and civil rights or does some nebulous concept of politics and strategy trump everything in the end?

[stevedeshazer]

20. Abu Grubby?

What a fool

[sabra]

23. He has no idea what's going...

He was just handed a script and read it. Good job!

[3days]

24. abooo garabby

aboo grabby
aboo ganabby
aboo gafloppy
achoo gazunhietme
aboo ganblobby


Mr. akaka

[LSparkle]

48. Ha! It's "Abu Grabe" stupidhead, not "Abu Dhabi"!

Shows how much he's paid attention to this story that he mispronounces it so severely.

[RuleofLaw]

21. OK Mr. Allard

lets do this very slowly:

Even though the Taliban and the Al Queda is not covered by the Gevena Convention, as you claim,we still cannot torture or abuse them because THERE ARE OTHER CONVENTIONS and US LAWS THAT PROHIBIT TORTURE!.

Now, what part of the above statement don't you understand?

[cyberpj]

26. Why does every Republican senator look alike?

Old. White. And Mostly Southern.

And such dynamic speakers!

[3days]

28. Because.... look who voted them in.

[cyberpj]

32. Unfortunately this old Dem fits the bill as well......'cept he has a brain

[sabra]

27. Why is Sessions speaking again?

WHY???

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

30. Hold on to your hats everyone,

the Honorable Robert C. Byrd is about to speak...

[sabra]

31. Byrd Time! Who's excited? I know I am :-)

[G_j]

36. OK, now I'm watching.. n/t

[realFedUp]

34. The Byrdman's on....

From real estate lawyer to attached to
Bush's hip.

Gotta watch their hips, not their lips.

[cindyw]

35. I get the feeling these Repubs are either so out of touch that they do not

know what prejudice is or they are lying. It seems that all they learned out of the civil rights movement was always vote for the minority or you are prejudice. I am constantly reminded of Dr. King's call to judge on the content of character. The Repubs are either failing to understand what that means as preciously explained or they are judging him by character and do not have a problem with a person who thinks not only that torture is okay, but that the president is above the law.

[gottaB]

37. still outraged at the outrage, as if Gonzales is being vilified

What historical works have been cited? Lincoln. Thucydides. Cicero.

Not one Senator has mentioned Tomás de Torquemada.

"Kill! kill! and let the Lord find out his own!”

[sabra]

38. Byrd: It was disheartening to hear of Gonzo's lack of responses in

the senate Judiciary Committee hearing.

[CWebster]

45. Did you like the smirk about "commander in chief"?nt

[dogindia]

39. waterboarding.

[cal04]

40. Love Byrd Man! He is smarter

and sharper than most of them
Byrd should say, heck I'm older than Gonzales and I remember more than he does.

[gottaB]

41. God help the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

[selmo7]

42. Byrd: God Help the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

Where Bybee is federal judge

[cal04]

44. I love the Commander in chief comment

where have we heard that before
Byrd is great

[LSparkle]

46. You could hear the sneer in his voice

As if Chimpy were just a gnat he's swatting off his jacket ... just as he truly is!

[cal04]

50. His expressions and voice

says it all
We need more like him

[Roland99]

43. Byrd railing on the very narrowed definition by Gonzales (organ failure)

"Huh. Where have we heard that term before - 'Commander-in-Chief'"

HA! That was GREAT!!

[sabra]

47. Byrd: As I said with Rice, there needs to be accountability in our Govt!

Shun by our allies.

[eek]

51. where might i find a list of who has spoken so far and who's left?

any idea when the vote is likely?

thankew

[LSparkle]

52. I think tomorrow

They're debating until 4:30 EST today and then for several hours at least tomorrow before they vote. The only Dem I know still to speak is Russ Feingold, but I think there were a few others as well (just can't recall).

[LSparkle]

49. The one speaker I wanted to go on

I thought he was going to speak for an entire hour! Are we now to be subjected to more Hatch/Allard/Sessions, et al. ad nauseum? Hopefully Feingold will use up the rest of his time.

[sabra]

53. Salazer - Aye

Because Gonzo swore to him, that he would fight for civil liberty. Hmm....

[MuseRider]

55. Gotta say

I was very excited for Colorado when Salazar won. Now I am not so sure.

[Roland99]

54. Am I hearing this right? Is Salazar *defending* Gonzales???

Sonofabitch, he is!

Gonzales gave him a letter stating he does not condone torture so that makes it all ok for Salazar.

Colorado? Weep for your lame Senator.

[sabra]

57. Lame Senators!

[Mist]

58. Salazar made it sound like : "Gonzales has learned his lesson"

But a lawyer and judge shouldn't have to "learn" that torture is illegal.

[Roland99]

62. Bingo. No 2nd chances when the position at hand is Attorney General

[LSparkle]

56. The future of the Democratic Party

Some of our new Senators are worse than the old ones. Guess blood is thicker than principle. Totally lame. You'd never see the Sanchez sisters (CA Reps) voting for Senor Torturo.

[selmo7]

59. Yeah for Leahy

pointing out that the attacks like racial bias are outrageous and the debate should be on the issues

[LSparkle]

60. Leahy's pissed

Pencil Dick's comment is probably roiling in the back of his mind ...

[LSparkle]

61. What happened to Feingold?

He was supposed to speak today ... but it sounds like that's it for Dems. (Ye Gawd, PLEASE don't let Orrin Hatch get back up there!) Very disappointing.

[sabra]

63. Here we go again! The Alberto Story Redux.

[sabra]

64. Domenici is talking nonsense right now!

[sabra]

65. Durbin vs. Domenici having a real Debate!