There is now only one SOLUTION:

[In Truth We Trust]

REVOLUTION!!!

[Stand and Fight]

1. Agent Procateur... or not....

I agree with you.

[In Truth We Trust]

5. I am saddened to realize that with the power structure as it is there

truly is no other option other than rolling over.

[whistle]

2. I'm with you on that

[rucky]

3. I thou the Bushies would be first to come up with the "final solution" n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

35. Considering that they funded Uncle Adolf's rise to power

...they were the first. And the Bush Criminal Empire's objective has never ceased to be about global fascism. It's just now they have given up all pretense of anybody else doing it.

[mhr]

4. I Have Felt This Way For A Long While Now!

eom

[In Truth We Trust]

7. Me too unfortunately, however at every milestone I held out hope.

The convention, the debates, the recount , 12/13, 1/6, etc., etc. But at each turn the MSM is missing, the DINO's are complicit and the rethugs keep on their criminally unconscionable behavior. The poor and middle class are being so f*cked it's not funny.

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[SnoopDog]

6. I fear you are totally correct....

I will always fight for our real democracy...

[whirlygigspin]

8. oh sure, let me know when America wakes up for that one

:boring:

[SnoopDog]

10. I suggest you start with yourself and ...

participate with waking up America!

[In Truth We Trust]

12. Hey Snoop I've been talking at opportune times to people I don't

even know at public places and the sentiment is widely felt. There needs to be a catalyst which I would have thought we have had dozens of times already.

What's it gonna take America?!? This is class warfare and the working class isn't even fighting.

[SnoopDog]

14. Even a steam engine has to boil enough water....

before it produces the energy to move that locomotive.

The water is boiling, the steam is building.

We, as true patriotic Americans will not take to much more of this.

We have a winning team called America but somehow the 'c' team is on the playing field.

Perty soon, the varsity will take the field again. And, it will not be in 2008.

[LittleClarkie]

18. I smell a Les Miserables moment

"The signal! We have it! Revolution!"

Meanwhile, among the rank and file, "What was that?" "Oh, nothing, just those darned college students again."

[cry baby]

9. It won't be televised! n/t

[SoCalifer]

11. I Have Felt This Way

For a long time now too.. *waves hi at the nsa geeks*

[In Truth We Trust]

13. Those "NSA Geeks" are people too and I hold out hope that they are

intelligent enough and patriotic enough to be concerned as well.

"Agent Mike" please don't send in the goon squad for me. I have a wife with MS and three boy's, one of whom is mentally retarded. They need me! Send the goon squad for the greedy bastards that are truly ruining America with their immoral policies and total lack of justice.

[SoCalifer]

17. Agreed

It was just satire.. :)

[BrklynLiberal]

15. Perhaps the answer lies in the idea that Revolutions are not usually

fought by the middle class. When enough of us are pushed down out of the middle class, and are suffering the hardships of life in the lower class, we WILL rise up and take part in a true revolution.

[Skeptic2]

25. Actually...

...that's not true. The leaders of most 20th-century revolutions, including those who official goal was to destroy the middle class, were usually middle-class or rich themselves.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Why are you still sitting there in front of your computer

What if they held a revolution... and nobody came.

[In Truth We Trust]

22. Good question L. C. I do what I can short of illegal acts unless of course

you count that spray painting thing during the campaign. Just kidding "Agent Mike".

But as an earlier reply suggested there are "boiling points" that societies and individuals reach at which time an explosion of energy and change occurs. I have reached my boiling point.

[driver8]

19. I'm waiting for...

EVOLUTION!!!!!

I am hoping something will evolve from this piece of shit we call a "president."

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[In Truth We Trust]

23. If you are a student of history then you don't need me to tell you over

a public forum "when and where". You just need to know your enemy and his strengths and weaknesses and his SOURCE OF POWER.

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[KnowerOfLogic]

26. Secession. It's the only answer. nt

[SoCalifer]

27. JFK

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy


"A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability."
-- John F. Kennedy

[CWebster]

28. Gonna take a whole lot more suffering for that

unfortunately.

[demwing]

29. Revolution must

be preceded by a symbolic moment where the people realize that a movement has begun.

A Boston Tea Party moment.

Something non-violent, but very agressive. Something that if highly symbolic, but not so symbolic as to be ineffective.

The rituals of burning your draft card or your bra come to mind, but those acts were too decentralized, and too radicalized.

I suggest a mass burning of the Patriot Act, in a Southern capitol, on the 4th of July.

Can we make it happen?

[SoCalifer]

30. Catalyst

I agree demwing. History shows us that before conflicts such as wars and revolutions can happen, there needs to be a catalyst that ignites enough public outrage to perpetually fuel such an act. These catalysts can either be large instant ones or a breaking point of enough suffering from enough people.

I like your idea of mass burning of the Patriot Act. And that leads me to a question. Is it unlawful to burn an effigy of lets say Bush, Asscroft, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc.? I think in areas not favoring these characters more value can be had if while burning the Patriot Act, these effigies were placed on top of the pile with signs around their neck saying something like "anti u.s. constitution."

If something like a revolution is to occur (peaceful or otherwise) and hope to be successful, a point of what I refer to as "critical mass" has to be achieved. And it is not until that point is reached with the populace, will your action have enough fuel to perpetually feed upon itself insuring inevitable victory.

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"A Patriot is merely a rebel at the start."

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been."

"In any civic crisis of a great and dangerous sort the common herd is not privately anxious about the rights and wrongs of the matter, it is only anxious to be on the winning side."

"In the North, before the war, the man who opposed slavery was despised and ostracised, and insulted. By the "patriots." Then, by and by, the "patriots" went over to his side, and thenceforth his attitude became patriotism."

"There are two kinds of patriotism -- monarchical patriotism and republic patriotism. In the one case the government and the king may rightfully furnish you their notions of patriotism; in the other, neither the government nor the entire nation is privileged to dictate to any individual what the form of his patriotism shall be. The gospel of the monarchical patriotism is: "The King can do no wrong." We have adopted it with all its servility, with an unimportant change in the wording: "Our country, right or wrong!" We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had:-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism."

-- Mark Twain

[CWebster]

31. Leading the way

Since there is such a monopoly on formulating outlook via propaganda controlled by the corporate media, there has to be a way to break through and shift perception.
I talked to an older woman in the Dr's office and she was suffering and afraid, but she still clung to the perception that Bush represented a strong and moral leader. With the Dems propping Bush up, marginalizing progressive activists, and still laboring under the Clinton scandals which caused Dems to lose credibility with traditional types, it will take a gargantuan effort by those handful of Dems to put their foot down.

[Nordmadr]

32. I agree but just don't know what to do.

I have posted before that we seem to be reaching a boiling point. I know I have simmered for awhile now.

Olaf

[Nimrod]

33. I think it will take something catastrophic

My guess is a second Great Depression that makes the first one look like a minor glitch. The dollar will simply have to cease to exist. Money is what drives this nation in specific and the world in general. Money is how we are kept AND keep ourselves under control. What we are going to have to have is every single family from $100,000 a year on down suddenly destitute with no possibility of buying food next week and absolutely nothing left to lose.

::shrugs:: Either that or * will drop the wrong bomb on the wrong nation and we'll get nuked until our shadows glow. That might work too.

[SoCalifer]

34. World Bank

I firmly believe that destroying the U.S. Dollar is already underway and part of the multinational globalists' agenda is to centralize all trade and banking through a world bank and world commerce department. Hence the "World Bank" and the "WTO"