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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:13 AM
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Bush said he would "cut 150 programs"...
...from the federal budget. I'd really like to know what 150 programs he is planning on completely nixing.

It's frightening just to speculate what he will cut, and what he will continue to fund.

Does anyone know which "150 programs" Bush plans to make disappear?

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:17 AM
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1. pResident bushIT will cut any and every thing that has any benefit to the
people that includes education environment and health. What is off limits is any cut that will affect the profits of "THE CARLYLE GROUP"
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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:18 AM
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2. There is
only one program that I can think of that I would cut. Cutting that program would probably save us more money than all those 150 programs Bush is going to cut combined. That program is the "war on drugs"
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:18 AM
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3. Anything That Benefits The Masses n/t
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:21 AM
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4. I can guanrantee that the cuts won't affect programs that help or
subsidize the rich.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:23 AM
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5. Don't worry, it's only programs that aren't working (sarcasm)
I really hope someone stops him. I know he desperately wants to gut the farm program for one. What is really disheartening is he will probably only save a few billion dollars and really hurt alot of people and destroy entire industries. We spend a few billion dollars every week in Iraq.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:48 AM
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10. RE: Don't worry, it's only programs that aren't working (sarcasm)
I know he desperately wants to gut the farm program for one.


I heard him say that farmers should be able to farm "to the market" not to a government check. I guess he just expects the law of inelastic demand for food products to vanish into thin air. Maybe he will be happy when people are paying $50 for a six pack of Budweiser and $15 for a loaf of bread because 90% of the wheat farmers in the country decided to farm "to the market" and chase the profits in beans.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 01:08 AM
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13. Farmers can already plant whatever they want
and use all their land. The problem is it's almost not even possible to make a profit in grain farming without subsidies. If it costs $2.40 to grow a bushel of corn and you can sell corn for $1.73 a bushel - you can see the problem. It's pretty much like that no matter what you want to grow. Costs are rising sharply and the price at the elevator is going down and there's nothing you can do about it. Whether it's fair or not, the open market is failing American farmers. Government check is the only chance we have to stay in business. Sorry for turning this into my own "ranting about farming thread"
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 09:58 AM
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22. Exactly

There has to be some for lack of a better term a national plan for farming and for what is farmed. It's the inelastic demand for food, that is why we have to have subsidies for it. It would be great if farmers could simply grow and sell and make a profit but it's different from every other market there is. If you watch trade agreements you notice that agriculture usually makes up about 15% of all trade yet accounts for about 80% of the negotiations.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:27 AM
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6. The ones that do the most for the poor and the environment.
Count on it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:00 AM
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23. What environment?????
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:32 AM
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7. That was ....
the part of the speech that enraged me the most, apart from his shameless manipulation of the family whose son died overseas.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:48 AM
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11. No doubt...
I was enraged as well.

Did you catch Bush's sentence just before and immediately after he announced that he would cut those 150 programs?

Before:
"We must restrain the government's appetite for spending."

After:
"Tax-payer dollars must be spent wisely or not at all."


It's all just so...infuriating. Does he think we are fargin stupid?
"Restrain spending"? This, from a man who inherited a budget surplus and turned it into unprecedented deficits so he could give millionaires tax breaks and fight an unnecessary war based on lies?

WTF?

Spend tax payer dollars "wisely"? So, gutting a country that was never a threat to the United States was billions spent "wisely"?

Fuck you!

This entire speech was an insult to those of us who have functioning neurons!!
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:09 AM
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18. Exactly....
Bush doesn't know how to restrain his appetite for anything, including the destruction of other countries. And yet he pulls the paternalistic sham of being the watchkeeper over taxpayer funds. It's all about catch phrases and sound bites for him, which the MSM politely, no enthusiastically, ignores. Disgusting.
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:37 AM
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8. Do you think we're the only people who caught that in his speech?
Will the pundits of the MSM report on this? Oh, wait, I almost forgot. Bush is hands off to them. WhatEVER was I thinking??

Everyone here is right. If it helps the middle class, low income and poor people, it will go if he has his way.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 01:12 AM
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15. They were too busy
gloating and applauding (the republicans). I wonder what the democrats were thinking and if any of them caught it?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:38 AM
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9. It'll be the programs he wants to privatize
the schools
disability
environmental
anything for women
planned parenthood
the arts
health and human services
childrens insurance

I'm sure he has buddies and family ready to take up the "cause" with private organizations and faith based organizations to do these jobs making them redundant...
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:55 AM
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12. Can anyone here even NAME 150 programs?
Frankly, I think the sheer volume of government programs is at least as frightening as Bush's promise to eliminate them. I don't see why Democrats should reflexively defend each and every government program. The last time I checked, human beings were fallible. They make mistakes. Can anyone here honestly say that there ISN'T A SINGLE PROGRAM whose benefits are outweighed by its costs? Please. A true progressive wouldn't flinch from eliminating old programs, since it frees up money for new programs.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 01:26 AM
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17. So, far what I've seen from Health and Human Services
they are going to cut programs that help the disabled and chronically ill, Medicaid and Medicare programs...Education was talking about cutting Early Learning Programs and Breakfast Programs and tutoring that can be done by Sylvan (owned by Bush's college room-mate). I agree there were some that were not useful, but most of those have already been cut. I'm an artist and find the Endowment for the Arts useless, because the recipiant has to match funds in order to get funds, so therefore the artist that needs it can't afford it, so they may as well cut that.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 01:10 AM
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14. I have no clue
but would like to know too. :\
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98geoduck Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 01:19 AM
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16. Here's a link to EPA programs.
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 01:21 AM by 98geoduck
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 05:19 AM
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20. oh, we have a clue
anything that doesn't in some way benefit greedy, rich GOP bastards is fair game
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 03:23 AM
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19. OK now I'm REALLY pissed! Cutting funding for the disabled? F-in Bastard!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 05:44 AM
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21. call it "Economic Eugenics"; hey, they DO believe in SOCIAL Darwinism
Just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait...

They'll cut down the most emotionally supported programs without destroying them outright, but they're going for the gusto now. They truly think they can kill all social programs, and Junior's M.O. is well documented: go for everything immediately, then rely on peoples' short memories come the next election cycle, and play nice during the run-up to elections to cover the villainy.

Nothing new.

The key is this: they're certain that we won't even talk about anything approaching "class warfare"; we must prove them wrong and cram it down their throats.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:00 AM
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24. HUD
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:41 AM
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26. And then we'll see even more incidents like the one this week
in Oregon, where a man so frustrated with his inability to find affordable housing (through HUD and other local sources)that he threatened himself with a large knife on the floor of the Oregon Senate.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:31 AM
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25. He has already cut so many programs that helped the homeless.
They have been replaced with Christian faith-based groups.

There is a great documentary on LINK TV that describes how religion is intertwined with the government, I didn't realize it was so widespread. I'm sure most are backed with Moonie money although that is not discussed in the film.

"God In Government

An exploration of the complex relationship between religion and politics in the contemporary world. With the United States as the focal point, and Iran, Israel and India as object lessons, the film asks fundamental questions: What are the consequences when religion and politics become intertwined? What are the fault lines along which tensions and conflicts occur? What is the appropriate relationship between ‘church’ and state in a modern society?

The film begins and ends in the United States, the only nation founded specifically on the principle of a clear separation between religion and state. Here, the debate over the implications of the First Amendment has continued for more than two hundred years. Today, with a self-proclaimed, “committed Christian” President advocating faith-based initiatives in the welfare system, a vocal Christian right seeking to influence domestic and foreign policy, and an increasingly diverse religious landscape, the debate about the appropriate role of
religion in America’s public square has become more urgent than ever."

http://www.worldlinktv.org/
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:42 AM
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27. Drowning Gov't in the bathtub
step one....cut 150 programs..........
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