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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:51 AM Original message |
The 100% solution to insure Social Security solvency for all time |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. of course this is a solution... the chimp is protecting his base |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. Worse.. they want to ABOLISH SS.. along with.. |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes!!!! |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Bush's answer is a BROKER Security Plan! |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. info... brokers will not see a penny.... it's all govt invested |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. When I use the term "broker" in my frame |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. It's government revenues??? |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Shouldn't the Democrats be hammering this again and again? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. That's the redistribution of wealth! COMMUNISTISM! |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
6. simply rollback bush* tax cuts by $3 billion out of the $11B given top 1% |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
8. That's a start |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. Or . . . |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. let the wealthy pay more income tax |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. What about the investment angle of Social Security buying T-Bills? |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
14. Well..........Sorta |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. Social Security is only on wages earned not from |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
15. That is one solution. |
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truthseeker1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. Wait, are you saying people who make $83,500 or more don't pay FICA? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Nobody pays FICA on any income earned above $83,500 |
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truthseeker1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Holy frijoles batman! |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
99. Don't feel bad,I'd bet 80% of the US doesn't know that fun fact... |
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truthseeker1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
139. I just sent this factoid out to my email group of activist friends |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
18. If you remove the income cap on FICA taxes, |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. That's the beauty, you DO NOT have to remove the cap on benefits received |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So - you will make the rich pay |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The Reichwingers will howl "That's Class Warfare!" |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. "Everybody is treated equally on the tax side" - |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Nope, you keep the tiered benefit plan |
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ldf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. noblesse oblige |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yep, TOTAL income PRE-DEDUCTIONS |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. qwghlmian.....once again, reminding us of conservative talking points. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. According to your logic, then |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. You're talking black & white about a complex issue. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. You would think that |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
132. You are right |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
133. And they will fire back |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
60. How to frame: point out that the rich still have much more |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. See post #52. n/t |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. See post #65. n/t |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
85. And how will they suffer? |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Because, they'll find a way to opt out. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. That was Bush's argument aboput taxes on teh welathiest 1% |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. That is right... Social Security was not intended as a retirement plan |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Why? It is treated just like any other tax ... |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. then why play coy - just add 12.4% across the board |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Nope, keep the tiered benefit plan |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. As I said, good luck trying to |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It's absolutely fair |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I see, so let me understand this correctly - |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You've fgot it wrong, it's not stealing from the rich |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I was brought up in this old-fashioned way - |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. It's not stealing |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Call it what you will.... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. That appears to be what you're doing |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. See my edit of the post that you replied to. n/t |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. See my edited post that you replied to n/t |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. That's not an answer - that is an explanation of |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't an answer. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Ok, if you insist on evading, let me ask you this then - |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Because there is a cap on the total amount any recipient recieves |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I see, it's a "because I say so" kinda |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Noi, it's because benefits are capped |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. also, raise the damn minimum wage! |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
86. Then maybe you should have your parents return their benefits |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Which senator said.....? |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Sen. Russel Long, D-La n/t |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. That's exactly right. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Oh really, that was Bush's tax cut argument from the campaign |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. I don't give a shit. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. You've never paid Self Employment taxes, have you? |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I own and operate my own business. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You cannot pay yourself too low a salary, or the |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. True |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. YNGW...it is the "way" of civilized societies. The new "American way" |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I agree on some points. |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. I heard about this lockbox idea once |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. We wouldn't need a lockbox |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
31. And rollback that tax cut for Bush's campaign donors. |
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Riding this Donkey (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. He is a complete Sham |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
95. I would agree with that... |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. Indeed, it is a simple fix. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. No cap at all on the tax |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. that's an idea that's almost too smart to work |
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jswordy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
59. I HAVE A BETTER IDEA!!! |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
62. Tax the rich? |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yep |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
73. Walt Starr....I TOTALLY AGREE with you |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
74. Government takeovers |
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nancyharris (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
75. All of this talk of raising the cap is ridiculous |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. no more ridiculous than Dennis' idea |
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nancyharris (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Because |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 03:23 AM Response to Reply #87 |
124. well, I once applied for this investment job |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
104. Democrats will win Congress because Bush kissed the third rail of politics |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
78. I've been saying that for almost 30 years now |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Social Security and Medicare Taxes for Americans Abroad . . . |
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Red State Blues (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
106. Thank God! |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
82. Walt -- There's obviously something you don't understand about SS |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. The wealthy ARE making a killing on Social Security |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Define wealthy --- be specific |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. I believe that is in the top 5% of income |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. I don't see how that 6% figure can be accurate |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Absolutely agree on estate tax and capital gains |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
118. Your MARGINAL tax rate may be 50%, but I find it hard to believe that |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Between federal income taxes, FICA and medicare, |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
90. what was the reason they imposed this cap anyway? |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. To keep if from being a welfare program |
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Ivote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Food For Thought |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
96. Well, another good idea would be... |
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Cloister (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #96 |
122. What would you do? |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. So, just because it is sitting there |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Please explain how exactly you |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. I don't CARE how or where it sits...as long as it does not DISAPPEAR |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. You just don't understand how this works - |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I understand the concept of too much money is not paper |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Of course that is already done - |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. All those posts to getting back to if you TAKE it from SS |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. mtnetster - yes, we come back to |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Hold it, however, until you need it |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 12:56 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. There is this general misunderstanding here - |
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peterh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Alright….lets cut to the chase…. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. You're missing the point really - |
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peterh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Come again?? |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. You can frame it however you like - |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #138 |
144. Put it under the mattress |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. How exactly do you put |
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peterh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #96 |
123. Ya know, I’ve seen very little said about this…. |
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JD Lau (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
97. Even just increasing the cap to $100, 000 would probably... |
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Red State Blues (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. It will be there in three years! |
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Sen. Brown (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
98. Doesn't make any sense |
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StephanieMarie (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
101. Another 100% solution would be to raise the minimum wage |
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Sen. Brown (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. only $7:50? |
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WetBarNone (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
103. I agree. |
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Sen. Brown (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. gates? |
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Red State Blues (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. It's symbolic. |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #103 |
113. Newflash: the social security tax isn't imposed on capital gains |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. do these people think that a flat tax is fair, do you think? |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. If they took off the cap, Bill Gates would most |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
109. Yep THAT'S THE SOLUTION. "But why should we have to pay for all those |
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Finding Rawls (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
110. Talkingpointsmemo.com |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
111. at least a few of you get it. |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. THANK YOU!!!!! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
115. I Agree, Walt. But Sadly, The Super Rich Will Just Quit Taking Paychecks |
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Robert Oak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-05 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
119. gee wiz |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
128. It's not even as solvent as we think it is NOW..... see this thread - |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-05 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
129. I prefer the "Logan's Run" solution... |
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