How can someone be TOO ANGRY about what this Administration is doing?

[shance]

Why do we allow the media to shame us into submission and tell us to get back in our chair and shut up?

Of COURSE we are angry! Hell YES we are angry.

The people Im worried about are the people who arent angry.

It is amazing how individuals will go on a tirade on how stupid the media will then directly turn around and take the media nitwits at face value.

Lets go back to the issue. Anger.

Is it not a grand thing that a candidate is finally validating our anger and our reality instead of telling us to get over it, or rationalizing their reasons for supporting the war?

Im glad to see someone with spine, even though many of us are doing him no favors by criticizing and attacking what will ultimately save this planet. I believe it is our constructive anger that will save the country, if it is channeled correctly.

We sure as hell BETTER get angry or this country is screwed!!!

But here comes the press! And we must take what they say at face value and listen to them because they know more than we do.

What do they know more than we do? How to ruin the fabric of this country? What have they been doing for the last 20 years, especially since Reagan trashed the Fairness Doctrine?

They have been mastering the skills of how to spin and how to lie.

And we are allowing them to humiliate and dictate our candidates?

We are angry too Howard! I know I am.

[joycep]

1. I certainly agree with you

I cannot imagine anyone who is not furious about what is happening to our country. I am also furious about what we are doing to innocent people all over. I think you would either have to be angry or too stupid or evil to care what is going on.

[bearfartinthewoods]

2. be as angry as you want

but it won't get you elected.

[goodhue]

3. exactly n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

5. The key is what the anger impels you to do

If it causes you to bust holes in walls and nothing else, then you're too angry. If it makes you angry at everyone, including people that you agree with on many issues, then you're too angry. If it causes you to dehumanize anyone, then you're too angry. If it turns inward and becomes depression, then you're too angry.

If it impels you to support real change and help alleviate the suffering of those hurt by the Busheviks, excellent!

[AntiCoup2K4]

4. Yeah, like kissing ass and going along with the PNAC agenda works wonders?

2002, anyone?

Unelected fascists have been tearing my country apart for 3 fucking years. You're goddamn right I'm angry :grr:

Appeasing the dictator Bush is not the answer.

[NewHampster]

9. AntiCoup2k You Got it right

A good old fashioned pissed off electorate is the only thing that will get the scum out.

[Blitz]

12. But the electorate is NOT pissed off

And they're not likely to be all that pissed off in November. The nation is not DU and undiluted anger isn't even playing that well here of late. If anger was an effective campaign strategy, Dean would have broken 20% in Iowa. It isn't and he didn't.

[shance]

20. Your putting all your stock in the validity of the results in Iowa

And not the potential margin of error there.

[Blitz]

30. The margin of error isn't 20 points

The angry candidate got crushed. The really, really civil candidate did far better than expected. Realistically, Dean may not finish in the top 3 in New Hampshire and may not get even 20% of the vote. Maybe if that happens, the pro-anger crowd (well, some of it, at least) will finally admit that their message isn't going to win any elections.

[xrepub]

33. Not much margin of error in a vote

Margin of error is aptly applied to a poll where you sample a small percentage of voters or potential voters. The vote here was pretty exact, not likely there was much error in the counting.

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. sooner or later the "drama " has to stop

bush isn't a fucking dictator. and this isn't "viva la revolution"!
it's a freaking election and we have to beat the republicans before they get their chance for anymore SCOTUS appointments.

[He loved Big Brother]

16. Being placid about the state of our country

sure as hell won't gain my vote.

[bearfartinthewoods]

26. do i seem placid to you?

there is a difference between ranting and raving on an internet board and being adult enough to realize what needs to be done and fucking doing it. i am adult enough. the majority of our party is adult enough. we just have to see how many more people decide to join us in the fall.

[ecstatic]

6. 500+ deaths make me angry

You'd think it would make everyone angry, but apparently it doesn't.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

7. No. Someone can be too angry to get elected President, though.

[shance]

10. At least thats what our esteemed media says......

and so they overblow the whole anger issue.

[leyton]

8. In my opinion

of course one should be angry about what this administration does, and to a point the policies of the Bush administration reflect the character and integrity of Bush and his staff.

But that anger should not spill over into hating all Republicans or hating Laura Bush or Jenna Bush, and it should not make us so reactionary that we lose our smarts, our discretion, and our focus.

[shance]

15. Governor Dean has been more than protective, understanding and empathetic

when it came to the issues of criticisms towards the First Lady and the kids. In fact he has been specific in addressing that.

Hes been a five term governor. Anyone with that background is going to understand the importance of respecting the families. They didnt ask for this, the one running did.

[leyton]

28. My bad

I wasn't trying to imply that Dean has done these things. Sorry :D

[Monte Carlo]

11. BE too angry? That's hard to do. SEEM too angry? That's the problem.

Please don't get me wrong when I say this, but I think one of Dean's faults in this campaign is that he SEEMS too angry. However justified that anger is (and it is), a person who starts to pay attention to campaigns a week (if that) before Election day may get a false or skewed perception about Dean, his campaign, or his message. In America, we like to see big, smiling, amiable faces on the people we elect to replace incumbent Presidents.

[shance]

13. Good point*** However the illusion has been created by the media

through distortions, insinuation, gossipy journalism.

Has the anger gotten in his way from being a 5 termed governor and a physician?

We have a media that is on a quest. That quest is to ruin Deans candidacy. Just shows how frightened establishment is which is ridiculous, especially because hes the one with the discipline, self-control and common sense to run such a successful campaign.

[Monte Carlo]

25. Absolutely, it is an illusion created by the media...

... it's a superficial, 2D projection of a 3-dimensional human being. I appreciate his passion (or anger, if you must), and I can understand why making a speech that sounds like Vince McMahon would help to fire up the troops. My issue is just that things like this are played, replayed, ridiculed, analyzed, and over-analyzed beyond all usefulness. He may have governed Vermont quite well, but I just don't know how this is going to go over with panicky American voters.

[Snivi Yllom]

14. Guess what

Im pissed at Bush.
Im pissed at Republicans.
Im pissed at the media.
Im pissed at mudslinging at Dean.
Im pissed at 'oh the IWR vote was not a big deal' types.
Im pissed Americans are dying in Iraq.
Im pissed our nation is losing jobs and is headed towards bankruptcy.
Im pissed the environment is polluted.
Im pissed the rich stel our money.

I'm still supporting Dean.

[shance]

17. Me too Snivi***

:)

[Cocoa]

18. if it's fake

if I feel he's exploiting my anger for his gain.

[shance]

19. Right, most of us instinctually know when a feeling is manufactured and

when a feeling is real.

[tryanhas]

21. Because anger doesn't win general elections

It never has and it never will.

[AP]

22. Point is: Bush is so AWFUL, time to set anger aside and be smart

and cunning and strategic and to pay attention to everything that's going on around you as the playing field shifts and to WIN.

[forgethell]

24. The point, I think, is that

nobody really cares about somebody else's anger, unless they are angry at the same thing. Yes, it feels good to scream about what a low-down, stupid, etc, etc, that * is. But unless a person also feels that way, you are just making them uncomfortable around you, hence, less likely to see your point of view, no matter how good an argument you can muster.

At leaset, that's the way I see all the discussion about the angry Democrats.

When we give in to our anger, we are preaching to the choir. We need to convert some of the heathen, or we are going to get blown completely out of the water in November

[shance]

27. You have a great point and I sure dont think Dean or any other candidate

would disagree.

However, our Congress due to their Tom Daschle luke warm school of Diplomacy have effectively sold this country down the river because they had apparently left their anger at home.

We need anger. Of course there is so much more than that one emotion that we need. But the media is obsessed with Deans anger so I was making a point that we need to trump the press on this one especially because to be angry is such a stupid and obvious point to begin with.

[forgethell]

32. Right, the anger needs to

be controlled by us, not controlling us. Unfortunately, I think too many Dems are being controlled by their anger. No matter what * does, there is somebody there to claim that it's all about oil profits, or bloodlust or something. Well, maybe some of it is, but claiming That all of it is without an offer of proof is off-putting to a lot of people. People that are open-minded enough to change their minds to a reasonable argument.

There are those that claim that his every action is suspect. I doubt it. Even Hitler loved dogs. So if he reached down to pet a dog, did he have a bad motive for the act?

[PatrickS]

29. I agree 1000%

I'm constantly amazed that many people are more shocked about Howard Dean's speech than what's going on in Iraq. Is everyone on some sort of anti-depressant in the US?

[killbotfactory]

31. Didn't you know? Criticizing Bush is a losing strategy.

Just ask Tucker "The Pig Fucker" Carlson. He's epitomy of clear thinking common sense.

[poskonig]

34. Be rational.

People can be angry, but you don't want to look loony. Getting loud and angry over the Iraq resolution makes sense. Going Hulkster when you get 3rd place doesn't send a reassuring message to voters.

[xrepub]

35. An old saying

Did you ever hear the old saying "Don't get mad, get even".

An adaptation of that might be:

Don't act out of anger and give the advantage to the enemy, use that anger properly to defeat that enemy (win the election).

I am angry also, I don't understand how anyone can not be angry. But don't lose sight of the goal.
THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT.