Is this Kerry refusing to stand when Bush came in? In SOTU - pic

[cindyw]

Former Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass. goes over notes on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Feb.2,2005 prior to President Bush (news - web sites)'s State of the Union address to a joint session of Congres. From left of Kerry are, Sen.Ben Nelson, D-Neb., Sen. Mary Landrieu (news, bio, voting record), D-La.,and Sen.Barack Obama, D-Ill. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

The notes here indicate it is before the speech. Why would everyone else be standing if not while Bush was coming in? I think this may be Kerry refusing to stand when Bush came in. Good for you Kerry.

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[CWebster]

1. Right on

Now, about Obama...;-)

[chicagojoe]

6. Obama is part of the future.

When the radical right crumbles, and the cowards among the Dems have been replaced, people like Obama will be moving this country along.

In my opinion, it's way past time to clean house on both sides of the aisle.

[Catamount]

26. As much as I admire Obama---- I haven't seen too much heroism from him

yet!
Typical politician so far, but oh so cute!

[chicagojoe]

30. He's only been there for a couple of weeks!

[Connie_Corleone]

2. It looks like it's during the speech.

Everyone is facing the podium.

[flpoljunkie]

3. Exactly!

[gWbush is Mabus]

4. maybe it was when the supreme court associates came in

[Ipn288]

5. Actually, he stood up about 1/2 a minute later

I watched it and then saw it again on late night TV. You can say what you want about Kerry, But he is NEVER disrespectful.

[CWebster]

8. Damn, he was my hero for a second there

Why did you have to go and blow it.

That smart ass punk doesn't deserve any respect.

[babylonsister]

10. Agree, Ipn. He has too much

class to be disrespectful.
And welcome to DU! :hi:

[Goldmund]

11. Yeah, good for Kerry, that polite boy!

I wonder if he would have stood up and applauded if the ghost of Adolf Hitler walked into the room... Say what you will, but he is NEVER disrespectful.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Kerry was actually brought up

by his parents and not spoiled. His mother taught him better then that. If that was Bush he'd probably be sitting there with his arms folding over his chest muttering and whining to himself. Kerry is a real class act.

[Goldmund]

27. FUCK class.

Piccard out.

[Vektor]

29. I did learn

from my dog obedience class that a strong willed, defiant dog will hesitate before obeying a command.

Maybe Kerry was showing a teeny-bit of defiance before the respect? That would be ok with me - sending a tiny message that he's in no hurry to stand for Shrub.

Tee-hee. :-)

[lojasmo]

7. It's very unlikely that he would do that.

I doubt that he refused to stand, and I hope he wouldn't do such a thing.

[saracat]

13. Why should Bush be shown any respect? I would have been pleased to see Ker

Respect hasn't gotten us any where!And in this case, respect for what?

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. Some call it respect, I'm beginning to think of it as ass kissing.

:hi:

[lojasmo]

25. Senatorial power should be weilded on the issues.....

Not some pissy posturing.

[Sydnie]

9. I was wondering where he was sitting

I know that they showed him a few times but I couldn't figure out where he was sitting from the quick screen shots.

I will have to watch the video again now to see if I can pick up when he stands and when he doesn't.

Thanks for the pic btw.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. I think he's easy to find

He's tall (taller then Lincoln) and his hair gives off a nice shine. :) I was watching a few min's of the Union speech last night and saw him right away. :D

[liberal N proud]

12. Good for him!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. Kerry is to much a statesman not to have stood when a president enters....

the chamber...this looks like "during" the SOTU

[Darknyte7]

15. One can only take so much...

Good for him.

[kerrygoddess]

16. I noticed there were

quite a few times when many of the Dems did not stand and applaud. Kerry is a very respectful man but he is also not afraid to show his dissention. Not standing in a case like this is not so much disrespectful but exercising one's freedom of expression - to show dissent.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I noticed that too last night

that when a lot of the room stud up some people were sitting down. I figured right away they were true dems. :)

[ultraist]

21. SOTU etiquette

Perhaps is not acceptable not to stand when the President enters the room but Democrats DID BOO during the speech. Maybe there is an old school etiquette playbook we are not aware of.

Quite frankly, I would have liked to have seen all Democrats stand and turn their backs on Bush as he entered the room.

Who defines "proper dissent" and etiquette? These are social constructs open to evolve and be redefined.

I think the Repukes little demonstration during the SOTUS of holding up their died fingers was in poor form. Having a demonstration to promote a bogus war and a sham election during our SOTU was tasteless and disrespectful.

[ultraist]

22. Exactly kerrygodess! Dissent vs. etiquitte

Is it poor manners to show dissent? I think NOT.

There is a certain procedural form that is followed during these formal events but not showing support for a fanatic cult leader is NOT disrespectful. In fact, it's noble.

[Xenotime]

23. He already did...

He already did enough standing in something called the debates back in 2004. He already knows what POV is going to be presented and probably decided to make good use of the time to get some work done.

[bgb217]

24. Re Kerry standing/not standing

First off, if Kerry was clapping at points during the speech (as I heard he was, so I'm not sure), I don't know why he wouldn't stand and clap, as ridiculous as standing and clapping for Bush is. And if he didn't stand, that's fine with me; if I were in a room Bush was walking into I know the least "rude" thing I would do would be to stay seated.

[earth mom]

28. Whoo Hoo! Good for Kerry! He showed "reluctance" about standing up

even though he eventually gave in to good manners! :bounce: