Gonzales debate day3 - thread2 - CSpan2

[sabra]

Kennedy now speaking...

Continuation of: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1562195&mesg_id=1562195

[CWebster]

1. Forced enemas...

Kennedy immediately traces up the chain of command.

[sabra]

2. Kennedy: The administration is making Gonzo the epicenter

of approving the torture.

[WarNoMore]

3. Gawd!

Kennedy is fantastic today. He's laying it all out.

[oldtime dfl_er]

4. please keep with the updates!

cspan not streaming properly again today!

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[gottaB]

5. Wow. Senator Kennedy.

[WarNoMore]

6. That (Kennedy) deserved a standing ovation. eom

[Just Me]

7. "Values" are code words to cover up ignoble deeds.

Kennedy is very articulate and has incredible capacity to pierce through the deceptive bullshit.

No wonder is one of the main targets by the neoCONfascists.

[CWebster]

8. Feingold. no. nt

[ralps]

12. The AG must follow the rule of law. Feingold has grave doubts

that Gonzales will follow the rule of law.

[sabra]

9. Feingold up...

I am guided by my conscious... he is a NO!

[Just Me]

10. It appears to me that the Democrats are pretty unified on Gonzales.

Moreover, Kennedy suggested that there is still a debate about what to do on his nomination which indicates to me that a filibuster is still on the table.

[WarNoMore]

11. Feingold up now.

Just basically recapping reasons for not voting for Gonzales.

[WarNoMore]

14. Feingold stressed several times

that the Senate can't rely on trust alone, that we need to know if an attorney general will do the right thing when the President deliberately breaks the law.

[gottaB]

13. I hope we can rely upon his assurance

hmmm

[sabra]

15. Thomas:blah blah

Saying we are wasting time with this debate...

[gottaB]

20. that there irony thing

whew

[WarNoMore]

16. Craig Thomas (R) is up now

I'm going to attend to a few things; will be back.

[sabra]

17. Thomas: Gonzo went to Harvard Law, I guess that's a good thing

WTF? This is the best they can do?

[ralps]

18. Sen Craig Thomas R-Wyoming talking now.

Playing politics about how the Democrats are talking about the memos & the Republicans are not.

[gottaB]

19. too bad for him Kennedy already destroyed that argument

[Just Me]

21. Excuse ME!!! Gonzales IS an "activist judge" who creates law,...

,...rather than adheres to it.

Gonzales has PROVEN his willingness to just "make-up" opinions which fail to conform with law in order to further empower his BOSS HOG!!!

[ralps]

22. Sen. Ken Salazar up now.

[MARALE]

23. "We do not have a king."

GOP says different!

[sabra]

25. Concern that race card was being used...

Salazar will be a Yes :-(

[ralps]

24. Salazar D- of Colorado will vote for Gonzales

:puke:

[Just Me]

37. I guess he didn't receive a flood of appeals to oppose.

:shrug:

Well, at least he did take time to express opposition to repulsive representations.

[Zhade]

61. I doubt that. He probably has another (wrong) reason to vote "yes".

I'm sure people wrote to him on this.

[saracat]

26. Fuckhead Salazar still supporting Gonzales only clarifying

that it isn't because he is hispanic. Big fucking deal. Salazar is betraying his party.

[gottaB]

27. Who gave him time?

[saracat]

29. Lieberman now.

[WarNoMore]

28. Salazar up.

Said he is not voting for Gaonzales because he's Hispanic. If I heard right he said Dems? should use this for healing and not devisiveness? Talking about civil rights ( his background). He's daying good things about Dems record on civil rights, but still making it sound that a vote against Gonzalas was still a divisive move. He was kinda hard to follow.

[Ivote]

32. Lieberman Up Now

n/t

[sabra]

30. Kissymans time...

[ralps]

31. Sen. Lieberman up now

[ralps]

34. "The President is entitled to the benefit of the doubt" -Lieberman

[oldtime dfl_er]

69. how many times, Joe?

How many times is he entitled to the benefit of the doubt? And, for that matter, WHAT DOUBT? Is there doubt that Gonzales approved the torture memo? What are these phony doubts of which he speaks?

Cross the aisle, Joe, we don't want you anymore.

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[Just Me]

33. Aw shit,...Lieberman,...Bible-thumping,...ugh,...

:scared:

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

35. Here we go with Traitor Joe.

I really despise this man.

"The President deserves the benefit of the doubt". Yeah, right Joe.

Whenever I think about the fact that I gave this person my vote in 2000, I cringe...

[saracat]

36. What IS he saying. Looks like he might vote for Gonzales.

[Just Me]

40. Apparently, he misperceives himself as moderate/mainstream.

I think he is totally wrong on that account.

[Zhade]

63. I wonder if Lieberman's followers here agree with torture, too.

I hope they all urged him to vote "no" to this torturer.

[gottaB]

38. Are we going to show Lieberman some love?

No effing way.

[Just Me]

42. I think we should request that he be honest about his party affiliation.

Of course, we can request with great affection and passion.

But, he simply lives in the Republican side of the aisle and it is way too obvious.

[sabra]

39. Lieberman is a Yes :-(

[WarNoMore]

41. Lol--I put the tv on mute, can read the speeches.

and I'm listening to Randi replaying her show with Ollie North.

[ralps]

43. Lieberman- "This nominee deserves to be confirmed" So Joe you're

not coming straight out and saying Yes. It looks like he trying to waffle but he will still say yes. I guess I've been puking metaphorically all day
:puke:

[Spazito]

44. Now we know why the 'kiss' last night at the SOTU address...

it was the proof that Lieberman is no longer on the outskirts of the bush mafia, he is now a 'made man' as being shown right now.

[nickinSTL]

45. So, is Lieberman expecting to get something out of the Bush

Administration for his...support?

[Spazito]

47. I think so but one would have to ask Mr. Lieberman that very...

question. I suspect he has one big reason and a lot of smaller ones.

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[A Brand New World]

46. I think it's time for Lieberman to fess up and admit that he's really

a Repub. The Democrats do not need him wasting air and time for their side any longer.

[Just Me]

48. I swear, both Joe's appearance and voice are depressed.

I wonder if he needs different meds.

*sigh* my meanness being exposed.

But, he is the most depressing person to look at and/or listen to.

He brings me down, down, down.

Maybe, his depressed appearance has something to do with selling his soul to profits and power over serving "the people".

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. God, why does this man ALWAYS make me sick to the point of .........

[E_Smith]

50. "nothing rises to the level rejecting him as nominiee"

[saracat]

55. Notice the repukes praising him?

[Zhade]

68. Approving torture (breaking international law) doesn't warrant rejection?

What would they have to do for you to object, Lieberman? Torture YOUR kid?

Fucking disgrace. I DARE any Lieberman supporters here to defend that remark (offer's open to the both of you).

[CWebster]

51. Lieberman knows he crossed the line

halting, hesitant speech.

[E_Smith]

52. Joe supports torture of arabs.

[realFedUp]

64. He stated he agreed that torture on Al Queda members was ok

Once you cross that line Senator, you
can't go back and that's what this administration
is counting on with each of its policies.

Get a clue.

[ralps]

53. Sen. Domenici R- New Mexico on now

[Just Me]

56. I have always perceived this man as a cantankerous asshole!!!

I feel so sorry for his wife and family. It must suck to be them.

[CWebster]

54. Pete compliments lieberman. nt

[E_Smith]

57. what does "legal niceties" mean?

now he is accusing dems of venting over the election of *.

[E_Smith]

58. now he is playing the race card. n/t

[saracat]

59. Look at the repuke from NM play the race card.

Dems don't accept a Hispanic as a Republican? We can't accept Bush winning?

[gottaB]

60. Domenici: "Terror and Virtue"

[ralps]

62. Sen. Leahy of Vermont on now

[realFedUp]

66. Back to sanity thank God

[JohnOneillsMemory]

67. "Torture is not a legal nicety..." gulp. this is our government?

[ralps]

70. Sen. Leahy "No President is above the Law" He will vote his conscious

[sabra]

71. Leahy: We are voting for the AG of the USA not AG of the prez...

He is kicking flava!

[realFedUp]

72. need an AG to follow the laws, not find ways to circumvent them

yeah, Bush Inc. is good at finding the loopholes
and driving the Hummers through them

[Just Me]

75. Every member must vote his or her conscience,...

A sly way of implying there are those who are either failing to vote their conscience,...OR there are those who simply have no conscience!

:bounce:

[realFedUp]

86. I think the OJ Simpson jurors voted that way also....

one's conscience is another's lie

[sabra]

73. Specter speaking...

[ralps]

74. Sen Arlen Specter R-Pennsylvania on now

[realFedUp]

76. oh God, the hot water thing again...give me a f*cking break

It's dishonest at best for these Senators
to pretend that Gonzales will be independent
from Bush Inc. or not try and continue circumventing
the Constitution without Congress.

Gonzales wouldn't be Bush's personal lawyer
anymore....but who trusts him to really
be our lawyer.

[ralps]

77. Well this is the second time that they have tried to call the roll

starting with Akaka & he hasn't voted.

[ralps]

78. Sen. Harry Reid D- Nevada on now.

[realFedUp]

79. Reid at bat

A little homespun patriotism...

[ralps]

80. Reid said Gonzales is flawed.

[ralps]

81. The Attorney General is the People's Lawyer Not the President's

Lawyer said Reid. He will vote no on Gonzales.

[realFedUp]

82. Head of Yale Law School said Gonzales has bad legal reasoning

[ralps]

83. Oh Boy, Reid is Quoting Sen. John McCain about solitary confinement.

[ralps]

84. Sen. Frist (the cat killer) is on now complaining about quotes taken

out of context among other things

[realFedUp]

85. VOTE'S ON

[coreystone]

87. 60=yes/36=no, is only bi-partisan if there are some (R)'s voting NO!..

This is not "bi-partisan" Senator Spector!

:-(