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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:47 PM
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Lesson from Today. There are NO Republican moderates.
Look at the vote. Not one Republican broke ranks to vote against Gonzales. Not Chaffee, not Snowe, not Collins. Not Vietnam Vet Hagel and not POW McCain. Message: No Republicans are against the torture memo.All Republicans will vote along Bushco lines.And Spector said this was a bipartisan vote! The only bipartisanship was the Dems who crossed over. Yech. All No votes were Dem.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:48 PM
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1. 80% of Dems against Gonzalez, 0% of GOP
That's a pretty stark difference.

--Peter
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:49 PM
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2. Lockstep in their little Jackboots
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 06:50 PM by Cats Against Frist
I noticed this, myself -- Snowe, Chaffee, Specter -- all of them, good little puppies.

*Edited for bad spelling, and stuff might still be spelled wrong.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:50 PM
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3. Those Dems might as well have been Republicans
Republicans want wedge issues that will keep the unwashed to keep on voting Republican.. and chose gay, war, and abortion issues.

Well, Torture is a wedge issue for me, and I'd like to think it's a wedge issue BETWEEN Repubs and Dems, without even ONE Dem raising his or her hand for torture.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:50 PM
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4. yep. its scary. another thing.. .
"The only bipartisanship was the Dems who crossed over"

that means there was no bipartisanship.

ii think its time we put that word to sleep forever.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:53 PM
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5. I agree with you on this...
But just out of curiosity, which "repuke" issues should our Democrats show "bipartisanship" on?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:58 PM
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8.  Can't think of anything they want to do
that should be supported, but I don't know everything coming down the pike. Trouble is, anything that might sound good is usually a lie, like "Clear Skies Initiative"! Some have said their election reform bill is better than ours and calls for paper ballots. That might be something we could vote for!
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:22 PM
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12. I couldn't think of anything either...
So I was wondering, if we don't think the Dems should be bipartisan, why do we think the repukes should be bipartisan? When people complain about the repukes "walking in lockstep" are they more upset about the way the repukes are acting, or upset that our own party doesn't stick together better?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:29 PM
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14. I think our party should stick together more. To me bi-partisan
requires two sides to exist. If neither side is crossing who are you being bi-partisan with? The Republicans are always screaming about bipartisanship and yet always vote in lockstep. I think we should vote in lockstep as well because there is no one on the otherside to negotiate with. Today's vote was a perfect illustration.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:38 PM
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17. I agree...
I would just say that there are some people who believe that the repukes should be more bipartisan, but when asked about which issues they are willing to support going along with repukes on, they can't think of any have any. It's not that I think we should compromise, I'm just surprised that some think the repukes should compromise but we shouldn't.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:53 PM
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6. No, there are no independent thinking moderate repubs. with courage.
They are there but they are either to partisan or cowed to break ranks. Diversity among democrats is a moral strength although its easier to herd republican lemmings than democratic cats.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 06:56 PM
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7. the shame of this appointment
is really the number of Republicans who voted for torture, or for changing the law re torture when it suits their fascist purpose, and the six or so Democrats that went over to that dark side.

But mostly, it is the Republicans who have shown their total affirmation of torture as a legitimate pursuit, in spite of the harm it may do to our troops, should they be in that situation, and cvoting for changing the law, or circumventing the law, lying about the law, and disregard for the law, in spite of the idiot's touting that American is a land governed by law

Sure--Hitler also bragged that everything he did was legal. It gets to be legal when the law can so easily be changed to suit the fascist purpose.

And it is the Republicans who have cemented that despicable practice as part and parcel of our approach to world domination.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:06 PM
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9. Republicans advance PRO-TORTURE. Democrats fought back.
Republicans have evolved into an extremist wing and are increasingly displaying the willingness to crush democracy.

Democrats are continuing to galvanize and ensuring that everything is in a permanent record.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:11 PM
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10. That's silly, of COURSE there are Republican moderates
They're called Democrats, apparently.


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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:13 PM
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11. I agree. Chaffee's vote really surprised me.
McCain should be ashamed. Collins and Snowe diappoint me. This guy should never have been confirmed and the sheeple fell in line....just like they were ordered to do. Pathetic.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:23 PM
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13. I was wondering why Senator Burns (R) of Montana did not vote...
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 07:24 PM by coreystone
Very strange that he and Baucus(D)MT - were among the "did not votes"???
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:30 PM
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15.  I wonder too? No votes from Montana? At least they cancelled each other
out, but why????
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 07:32 PM
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16. Did any other R senators
abstain from voting?
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 08:27 PM
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18. No! Burns was the only R!!....eom
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 08:40 PM
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19. I think"what's his face" was giving a speech in Montana today........
on social security........I may be wrong but he was on the move in red states.
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