NY Times KILLED story about Bush being WIRED during debate!

[Vinnie From Indy]

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2012

Does anyone need ANY additional proof that the mainstream media has aided and abetted BushCo. at every turn? They are as much responsible for this outlaw regime as anyone. The Dems need to start making the decision makers pay for their complicity by calling them out as liars, whores and stooges!

[deutsey]

1. We have the freedom to say whatever we want in this country

Not everyone is free to hear what you say, though.

Old Smothers Brothers joke, I think.

Still all too relevant.

[Griffy]

25. you cant yell FIRE.. if there isnt 1... can you yell CRISIS, if its fake?

and your the 1 the public has put trust in to inform them.. speaking your mind is not the same when you pledged to be honest!

[deutsey]

27. The point of my post was not defending Bush

I was commenting on the fact that we aren't free in this country to HEAR things that those in control don't want us to hear.

The Smothers Brothers were saying this with an ironic, comedic twist: we may have the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech (supposedly) but no where in the constitution does it say we have the freedom to hear.

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. well, this makes me want to tear my hair out

Jeffrey Klein, a founding editor of Mother Jones magazine, told Mother Jones (online edition, 10/30/04) he had called a number of contacts at leading news organizations across the country, and was told that unless the Kerry campaign raised the issue, they couldn’t pursue it.

WTF!?!?!?!

DO DEMOCRATS EVEN WANT TO WIN ANYMORE?

[KittyWampus]

11. Oh Please! Blame The Victim. Yeah, Kerry Says "Bush Is Wired" &

corporate media then proceeds to shred Kerry alive YET AGAIN while giving Junior a pass.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Of course Bush gets a free pass

He's God in the flesh. :grr: It really pisses me off how many war crimes and illegal things this ugh has done and he is NEVER held accountable!!!!

[Tigress DEM]

59. Here is a link re: how credible this story is....

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2012

The person who analyzed the photos is a 30 year Veteran of JPL who works on photo imaging for NASA and is part of a photo enhancement team for the Cassini Saturn space probe. Not a nut or a crackpot, and he's got a good email trail too.

<snip>
The Bulgegate story originated when a number of alert viewers of the first presidential debate noticed a peculiar rectangular bulge on the back of Bush’s jacket. That they got to see that portion of his anatomy at all was an accident; the Bush campaign had specifically, and inexplicably, demanded that the Presidential Debate Commission bar pool TV cameras from taking rear shots of the candidates during any debates. Fox TV, the first pool camera for debate one, ignored the rule and put two cameras behind the candidates to provide establishing shots.

Photos depicting the bulge and speculating on just what it might be (a medical device, a radio receiver?) began circulating widely around the Internet, and several special blog sites were established to discuss them. The suspicion that Bush had been getting cues or answers in his ear was bolstered by his strange behavior in that first debate, which included several uncomfortably long pauses before and during his answers. On one occasion, he burst out angrily with "Now let me finish!" at a time when nobody was interrupting him and his warning light was not flashing. Images of visibly bulging backs from earlier Bush appearances began circulating, along with reports of prior incidents that suggested Bush might have been receiving hidden cues (London Guardian, 10/8/04).

Finally, on October 8, this reporter ran an investigative report about the bulge in the online magazine Salon, following up with a second report (10/13/04)—an interview with an executive of a firm that makes wireless cueing devices that link to hidden earpieces—that suggested that Bush was likely to have been improperly receiving secret help during the debates.

At that point, Dr. Robert M. Nelson, a 30-year Jet Propulsion Laboratory veteran who works on photo imaging for NASA’s various space probes and currently is part of a photo enhancement team for the Cassini Saturn space probe, entered the picture. Nelson recounts that after seeing the Salon story on the bulge, professional curiosity prompted him to apply his skills at photo enhancement to a digital image he took from a videotape of the first debate. He says that when he saw the results of his efforts, which clearly revealed a significant T-shaped object in the middle of Bush’s back and a wire running up and over his shoulder, he realized it was an important story.

[John_H]

37. Nah. They would have had to report it straight. 'cause

the pictures would have been on cable News, every fron't page, and leading every network broadcast in the world for three days.

The damage would have been done before the whores could run to Chimp's defense.

[bobweaver]

3. The power of the press belongs to those who own a press

[Vinnie From Indy]

5. That is true, but

If the Dems make it a policy to bring the issue up at every occasion and if they stop appearing on networks devoted to pushing the ShrubCo. propaganda, that in itself will be news.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

7. We need our own paper!

[FreedomAngel82]

16. He's really learning well from

Nixon.

[Patchuli]

58. Let's hope he's learned well enough

to f*** up like Nixon too! Nixon was a lot smarter than * too so there's hope...

[Tigress DEM]

63. Global Ethics - Media Watchdogs

http://usinfo.org/usia/usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/0401/ijge/gj05.htm

Example
<clip>

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) seeks out evidence of censorship by corporate owners, overall corporate bias, and a lack of diversity in news coverage. A March 8, 2001, FAIR article argued that ABC's "World News Tonight" only provided the perspectives and interpretations of the pharmaceutical companies and their supporters in a story on patents for AIDS drugs in Africa.

[Ravenseye]

4. Color Me Surprised

I'm starting not to care anymore. What's the point. He cheated. Nobody covers it. He lies. Nobody covers it. He says outrageously wrong things. They're reported as truth.

It just makes me so tired. All these fucking assholes running the country...just so tired.

[Ian David]

8. The one thing that makes me skeptical about the wired for sound story

Bush has access to incredible resources both within the government, and from his fabulously wealthy friends.

Are you going to tell me he couldn't have found a way to put a radio in his ear that wouldn't leave a big bulge in his jacket?

Come on, Peter Popoff can do better than this.

Otherwise, I would believe this story 100%

As it stands, I personally give it 50/50 odds.

[Vinnie From Indy]

14. I agree that it would seem they would do a good job, BUT

the main guy that analyzed the footage is not just any Joe Schmo out in the blogosphere. This guy is perhaps one the most renowned photo specialists living today. His willingness to put his credibility on the line is enough for me. I think too that history proves conclusively that being wealthy, powerful and smart does not inoculate one from making stupid mistakes.

[Ian David]

19. True, but that's still an argument from authority.

Without the testimony from that expert though, I would have given odds 60/40 against.

His analysis boosts it up to 50% in my mind.

I imagine that if we find out this story is true, we'll see that it was a last-minute act of desperation.

I can see George and Karl alone in the bathroom with a roll of ducktape trying to figure out how to get him wired an hour or two before the debate.

"Damn it, Karl. I can't remember all this stuff. It's hard. It's hard work. And if I take another Valium, I'll just piss my pants."

[Vinnie From Indy]

21. ROTFLMAO Very Good ! Thanks for the Chuckle! n/t

[Hissyspit]

23. They're not good at doing things, they're good at convincing people...

they're good at doing things (spinning, manipulating, covering up). You give them too much credit.

[July]

24. Wired for sound, who knows? But he definitely had something on his back.

Why was that a big giant secret?

The way they danced around the subject was in itself suspicious.

[PA Democrat]

29. I think it was Charlie Gibson of ABC who asked bush about the lump

and Bush lied through his teeth and claimed it was bad tailoring. You are right, he is hiding something, and the fact that he has to LIE about it makes it all the more suspicious.

[leftynyc]

31. I understand your skepticism, however,

from what I just read, there really is no other explanation about why the networks were ordered not to shoot pics from the back. Now, that is suspicious.

[John_H]

39. I wish i had the link but

There was a post by a former narcotics detective somehwere who said that chimp's bulge looks about the right size for the wires that have encryption, which are apparently much bigger than those without.

no way rovie was going to risk a recording of him whispering into chimps echo chamber.

[Tigress DEM]

60. See above link to story ... and he blamed the tailor.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. I know how you feel

I feel so drained of all the nonsense going on in this country and I'm so powerless.

[KoKo]

6. So where does this story go from here? The MSM killed it

and blame killing it on Kerry. How do we get the "Times" to bring this story back up? How do we get it "unspiked?"

[Tigress DEM]

64. Print it out and give it to friends and neighbors...

Post it on telephone poles and lamp posts and in grocery store bulletin boards and coffee shops. Leave them in the magazines in doctor's offices.

[Jacobin]

9. link not working for me

[question everything]

18. Not working for me, too n/t

[Vinnie From Indy]

20. It is on the fair.org front page as well

http://www.fair.org "Extra! Bush's Bulge" on the upper left side of the page.

[Tigress DEM]

69. Probably getting a lot of traffic.

[Karmadillo]

10. Woodward certainly comes off looking impressive.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2012

<edit>

While the New York Times seems to have been the only newspaper to write an investigative story on the Bush bulge and then kill it, it was not the only paper to duck the story about the bulge and its dramatic confirmation and delineation by Nelson. In addition to the L. A. Times and the two local papers that showed no interest, Nelson says that the same day he learned that his story had been killed at the Times, October 28, he received a phone call from Washington Post assistant managing editor Bob Woodward, famous for his investigative reports on Watergate. "Woodward said he’d heard the Times had killed the story and asked me if I could send the photos to him," says Nelson.

The JPL scientist did so immediately, via email, noting that he had also been in touch with Salon magazine. He says Woodward then sent his photographs over to a photo analyst at the paper to check them for authenticity, which Nelson says was confirmed.

A day later, realizing time was getting short, Nelson called Woodward back. Recalls Nelson: "He told me, 'Look, I’m going to have to go through a lot of hoops to get this story published. You’re already talking to Salon. Why don’t you work with them?'" (Several emails to Woodward asking him about Nelson's account have gone unanswered.)

more...

[spunky]

12. Well, I've got a friend who would swear its the freemasons.

Heh. I guess they are everywhere. And apparently Bush is a 33rd level mason. Maybe NYT is run by masons. I love a good Masonic conspiracy. lol.

While I wish they had run the story, I can understand why they were hesitant after what happened to CBS. Bush and co would have just said the photos were doctored. It could have backfired and worked against Kerry if people didn't buy it. Even though we now know in hindsight it couldn't have hurt, they didn't know that then. . .

[Vinnie From Indy]

30. LOL ! n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Nah

They're still the "liberal media" as the right-wingers say. :eyes:

[Sparkly]

22. This is AMAZING

Simply astonishing. I hope everyone reads this article.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. I don't think this story would have had any effect

even if it was true, nobody had any proof- it was all conjecture.
The alQaqa story was more relevant, and I am glad they ran that one.

[Vinnie From Indy]

32. People understand cheating! It is a simple concept. n/t

[John_H]

35. I bet that was a popular sentence throughout the campaign ay Kerry HQ.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

70. Any other gems of wisdom

Mr. 20-20 hindsight?

[wicket]

28. What liberal media????

n/t

[Spacejet]

33. Don't believe it

The first debate was so bad it had me believing he was going to throw the election. If this is what it was he would have done better.

Now MAYBE if it was present at the next two debates...

Plus Rove et al no doubt checked him over a million times before the debate. They would have caught this being visible.

[Sparkly]

36. Then what do you think it was?

Clearly there was something. Maybe it wasn't working well that first night, but he did have those long pauses and the weird "let me finish" remark.

[John_H]

38. BZZZZZZZZZZ. They didn't think there would be picturs from the back.

"...Fox TV, the first pool camera for debate one, ignored the rule and put two cameras behind the candidates to provide establishing shots." Bold mine.

[John_H]

34. Thank you Team Kerry! Actually, you sort of suck.

Compare and contrast: Minutes after the debate, before the bulge was even noticed, the bush campaign was trying their asses off to get the media to report that Kerry cheated by sneaking in notes--and they used their classic mechanism: Bloggers, Drudge, Talk radio, Faux, and the right wing rags.

Of course it took everyone without cataracts 11 seconds to figure out Kerry had a pen.

Cut to Kerry headquartes a couple weeks later: The internet is abuzz with photographic PROOF that can make chimp look like the joke he is. Chimp has not yet been forced to comment, and the whores are either ignoring it or making fun of it. Team Kerry gets word that the NY times is working on this.

"HIIIIIEEEEEEEEYAAAAYAAAAAAAA!! It's judo chess time! We will fight! Oh deary me! Oh deary me!! Fight? Ok we won't."

Meanwhile the adults at the RNC and the white house are figuring out how to kill the talk, and even score some points agains dems. And so they do.

This story is even more depressing than the swift boat response stories that cam out of the kerry camp.

And just think folks: The people who handled the swift boat story and this story are running the message operation for the party. Quick, send them some money to spend!

[Tigress DEM]

67. I saw the debate, Kerry was writing down his thots as GW2 spoke.

Was that against the rules? I would think it would be the polite way to do it. Why would they make a big deal out of that? Just because it was Kerry? And because they knew simular allegations might come out against the chimp for actual cheating?

[tintin99]

40. show me a picture ...

of something in his ear and I'll believe this story - otherwise it's just bullshit.

[Sparkly]

42. The wire doesn't go into the ear

The earpiece can't be seen.

[tintin99]

45. It can't be seen ...

because it's not there! Duh!

[Sparkly]

47. No, it can't be seen

That's why actors and politicians use them. They don't want people to be aware of it. Did you see the picture in the article?

[tintin99]

51. does the word 'gullible' mean anything

to you?

[Sparkly]

54. Yup

It's gullible to think you'd have to SEE the earpiece for it to be there.

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[Vinnie From Indy]

50. Speaking of bullshit,

we were looking in his ear for your undeniable proof and guess what we found?

[tintin99]

53. Let me guess...

you found another goofy conspiracy theory? Congratulations. We'll never win another election while focusing on stupid shit like this.

[Vinnie From Indy]

56. I Agree that it is strange, but ya wanna know the strangest part?

It had your name on it!

[Tigress DEM]

62. Credible story pulled. Chimp incapable of debating Kerry...

without being queued with the answers.

In a battle of wits, please bring ammunition.

[Tigress DEM]

61. Lieberman's tongue?

[tintin99]

41. the most likely explanation

is some sort of thin bullet-proof vest tied up in the back. Goofy theories like "wired for cheating" just sound ridiculous. No wonder we don't win elections.

[Sparkly]

43. Umm, did you read the article?

:eyes:

[tintin99]

46. Yes, I read the article.

There's nothing there of any substance.

[Sparkly]

48. "nothing of any substance"

The unenhanced photo is clear enough.

Edited to respond to your suggestion that it's a bulletproof vest: do you have a picture of one that would look like that?

[tintin99]

49. You think that photo is unenhanced?

LOL

[Sparkly]

52. You think it's enhanced?

You didn't read the article.

[tintin99]

55. Look at the picture

tell me that hair is natural and unenhanced. Get with it people - this crap is going nowhere.

[Sparkly]

57. Look at others from the debate, then

The same outline is there. The enhanced one was done by an expert and was confirmed authentic to Woodward by an outside expert.

[Tigress DEM]

68. Did you really read the article or just look at the pictures?

The article says the photo was enhanced, but it was enhanced by an expert and evaluated by an expert.

[John_H]

44. That didn't take long. Actually, the most plausible explanation

since chimp is a republican and all, is that it was the leather harness Marvin and Neil hold onto when they are sodomizing brother george.

[Tigress DEM]

66. So you think a 30 year vetran of JPL working on NASA....

photo enhancements and professionals who work with this kind of equipment would pursue a story like this if they thought it would make them look like fools?