Mooney Times...."How Dean May Transform Dems" An Upbeat Read!

[KoKo]

(This is a good read and shocking that it's from the "UPI/Mooney Times" in contrast to the trash the "New Republic" has put out about Dean)


Analysis: How Dean may transform Democrats


By Martin Sieff
UPI Senior News Analyst


By turning to Dean now the Democrats are showing that they are determined to answer the Republicans back in kind:

Instead of waffling on Iraq, they are turning to the former Vermont governor who made his name in the spring of 2003 by being the first prominent Democrat to roll up his sleeves and blast the decision to go to war.

Instead of politely ignoring ferocious attacks framed in the politics of personal destruction, they will try to do the same thing to the president and other prominent Republicans.

(snip)

Instead of letting the Republicans continue to brand the Democrats as the party of big government, the entrenched federalism that has defined America for more than 70 years, Dean advocates the kind of new de-federalization advocated by the likes of former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart: giving power back to the states and the grass roots.

Instead of focusing on national fundraising and credibility with national television and media columnists and producers, Dean and his new team will look to rebuild the old Democratic Party strength with its traditional Hispanic constituency. Bush and his own master-strategist Karl Rove's longtime wooing of that major community paid off big Nov. 2, when they won an estimated 40 percent or more of the Hispanic vote.
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050202-031510-6827r.htm

[GetTheRightVote]

1. Thank you for the posting, I love them when they are positive

Sent email response to great report.

:kick:

[Mike Niendorff]

2. ya gotta love the spin :

> "the party of fiscal prudence and conservatism, the role that was
> held by the Republicans for more than 130 years from Abraham Lincoln
> to the current president's father, George Herbert Walker Bush."

Seriously, how much crack do you have to be smoking to believe that right-wing nonsense? Reagan and Bush I, the "party of fiscal prudence"??? That's high comedy.


MDN

[KoKo]

3. I know....they can resist covering their butts but at least they

left the little evil spawn out....so one can draw their own conclusion that he hasn't continued the Repug Lie of Fiscal Responsibility...:D

We can't hope for much from these people.

[marcologico]

4. Basically, they're callling him a Republican

And they're pretty much right:

"Dean advocates the kind of new de-federalization advocated by the likes of former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart: giving power back to the states."

Translation: tax cuts and "welfare reform."

[NYCGirl]

5. Gary Hart was a Republican too, then?

You get tax cuts and "welfare reform" from that? Must be those nearsighted "eyes of truth" you say you have acting up on you again.

[marcologico]

6. Their comparison, not mine. n/t

[last1standing]

7. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Love those Eyes of Truth!

I wonder if he bought those at the dollor store or made them in his parents basement?

[KoKo]

8. No....the articles says it's a "table turn" for the Dems....Now the Repugs

are the Big Government, Deficit Spenders, but under Clinton the Dems showed they were for smaller government and paying off deficits.

You got it backwards from the article. :D

[marcologico]

15. Yep, a table turn to the right.

Dean is somebody they think they can do business with, and they're right.

[KoKo]

19. And "you" might have prefered others to do business with??? What???

Could you clarify the point you're trying to make a little more, here?

Thanks. :-)'s

[marcologico]

20. I'm saying they recognize a Clintonian triangulator who won't

give them any guff about their plans to cut welfare to nothing, "privatize" government, write industry-friendly legislation, lower taxes and expand free trade.

Also a guy who likes to play dirty, which they apparently respect.

[KoKo]

21. Well....I have more hope for Dean than that...I think the other candidates

would have been more in line with the DLC Corporatists view than Dean. You still haven't told me who you think would have been better than Dean, though. :shrug: Stand up and defend your candidate...won't 'cha?

[marcologico]

22. I thought Frost would have been good. The rest I didn't know much about.

Basically though I was ABDean, but I'm willing to give him a chance and just hope he keeps his promises.

[Eloriel]

23. There's nothing to clarify

And nothing worth hearing. This DUer is 100% anti-Dean. But the strange thing is, everything I've seen him say about Dean is inaccurate or incorrect in some way, or a lot of ways. He's either making it up or is getting his info from people who are making it up. Or perhaps they're delusional. There's a lot of that going around, unfortunately.

[marcologico]

25. "Dean's sneaky websites" was not inaccurate, and we can go over it again,

but I'd prefer not to.

What can I tell you? I see with the eyes of truth.

[NYCGirl]

28. Marco's eyes of truth:

[candy331]

26. You know I wonder who this poster really is, surely he/she lives

to write negatives in every post concerning Dean. I hope he/she remember that these posts can be recalled later when they whine that they never was ABD.

[marcologico]

27. A lot of voters were disgusted by Dean's campaign. I'm one of them.

And so far I've see no indication that he'll change tactics.

[KoKo]

29. Alot of voters were disgusted by ALL the Campaigns, though. That's

why we need to get the Shrum's and the rest out of the campaigns. Fresh views and voices. Grassroots. I can't imagine you wouldn't agree with that after what we've been through in the last decade. :shrug:

[marcologico]

30. I actually thought Kerry's campaign was pretty good.

Sure he should have sunk some serious money into the anti-swiftie thing in August. But he won Iowa by not going negative, and he didn't sell out gays or anybody else like Clinton warned him to, and I'm glad he ran a clean campaign.

[candy331]

31. So Marco how long will you be spouting your disgust? Many people

were disgusted with Kerry or one of the other candidates but don't find it necessary to post negative vitriol in every post. It seems this a personal vendetta for you. I would hope you are consistent in your disgust because I would hate to think your disgust is reserved only for the posts of Dean.

[marcologico]

32. Right. I somehow missed the sudden disappearance of Kerry-bashing,

particularly from the I-love-Howie threads.

[Cha]

33. This poster is a serial

Dean basher in many incarnations.

It's pathetic really.

[marcologico]

34. Case in point. n/t

[Cha]

9. I like this image since I went to Niagara FAlls,

Canada last year.."This week the steadily strengthening surge of support for Dean across the party became a thundering Niagara:"

I didn't like all this article had to say..in their little Democrat-bashing way..but I do like this..

"Most of all, Dean will make the Democrats interesting again, and he will free them of the reflexive "me-too-ism" that has kept them on the defensive against the GOP for more than 30 years, with the exception of Clinton's remarkable, trend-defying career. For more than a generation, Republicans could count on firing devastating political missiles at the Dems with impunity. Only Clinton ever really succeeded in firing back. But in the coming era of Dean-ball, that may be about to change."

"Dean-ball"!

[KoKo]

12. That's funny Zidzi....great catch...or rather "toss..".n/t

[Pirate Smile]

10. A hell of a lot of Kerry bashing. The parts about Dean were good but

the crap about their Shrub's decisive victory, blah, blah, blah was crap.

At least they seem to have a better understanding of Dean's actual positions instead of just labeling him with a broad brush. That is progress.

[KoKo]

13. Kerry bashing is just the "add on" of Clinton bashing.

I ignored that part because I love that we Dems were finally shown to be "FIGHTING BACK," rather than "navel gazing" as the Lizza's, Beihart's and other's have protrayed us since "Selection 2004." And, that it was from a "surprising source" is interesting. Maybe "Moonie Times" is getting worried about the PNAC'ers/NeoCons destabilizing the world for the Reverend Moon...Sort of a "turn of the tables." :D

Whatever...I found it an upbeat read...because I'm so depressed about it all (Rice/Gonzalez) I might have over-reacted...:shrug:

[Pirate Smile]

16. It was a much more balanced view of Dean which is what the point of

the article is but they have to throw their jabs. No surprise there. Their view of Dean was much broader then the usual knee-jerk crap the press throws out.

You didn't overreact. You were probably shocked by the decent analysis of Dean without the stereotypical BS thrown it.

:)

[moggie12]

11. This is a very good analysis -- they correctly point out Dean's strengths

I especially like the part where they say the Dem party will no longer be "politely ignoring' Repub attacks. Give 'em hell, Howard!!

[mzmolly]

14. Nice article that is very favorable to Dean.

:hi:

[KoKo]

17. I know! It's like a TONIC....kind of gives that extra oomph...to try

to keep going those extra miles. It's the only verification we've had besides Conyers' and Boxer's courageous stands that anyone hears us...that anyone is listening.

I don't want to leave out those who voted against Gonzalez...and Teddy Kennedy who has tried against all odds...

But...just looking at those now standing up is a much needed injection of hope for many of us...and if we can get the "Moonie Times" doing a pretty fair article...maybe our NEW SPINE will bring other rewards? :shrug: I don't want to get too hopeful, though. We've seen that an "up day" is followed with many "down days and months." Still...the little things are good to hear...

[mzmolly]

18. Agreed.

:hi:

[candy331]

24. I have the say they called it as it is.

Kerry flip-flopped and temporized about his stand on the Iraq war like a liberal Hamlet. And the rose-colored, Pollyanna, feel-good messages crafted by his master-strategist Robert Shrum, who had also guided Vice President Al Gore to his political doom in the 2000 election, fizzled against the focused, raw-meat Republican personal attacks against him.

[Larkspur]

35. The last paragraph was the best...

Most of all, Dean will make the Democrats interesting again, and he will free them of the reflexive "me-too-ism" that has kept them on the defensive against the GOP for more than 30 years, with the exception of Clinton's remarkable, trend-defying career. For more than a generation, Republicans could count on firing devastating political missiles at the Dems with impunity. Only Clinton ever really succeeded in firing back. But in the coming era of Dean-ball, that may be about to change.

This is how Dean will help shape Dem policy without having to deal with it directly. He will be defending core Dem principles and in the process the Hill Dems will feel pressured by us to fight back against Repuke legislation that will hurt ordinary Americans.

[KoKo]

36. Yes...in many ways Dean has so many hopes on him...some of us

view him as our "last hope." And, I wasn't a "Deaniac" but see him as "THE VOICE!" now!

[KoKo]

37. Kick...for a last "gasp" of pleasure! n/t

[Larkspur]

38. Yes, this was a thoughtful article on what Dean's impact most likely

will be.

:kick: