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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:17 PM
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Young people have little faith that SSI...
will be there for them.

That is because the corporate media has taken the place of our education system.
Any basic civics/American history class should teach how SSI has been adjusted, through the years to accommodate, and that no radical changes are needed.
This notion of, "SSI won't be around for me" is pure propaganda spread by those seeking to destroy it and using the MSM as their brainwashing tool.
Merely raising the caps to $250k would solve the "crisis" through our's and our children's lifetime.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:21 PM
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1. I hope our young people are not as dumb as they are made out to be
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:39 PM
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7. but it seems they are-according to the polls --as they think SS will not
be there for them.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:22 PM
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2. Propadanda conservatives have been fostering for years.
Conservatives have been trying to destroy faith in social security for years knowing that this moment would come.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:22 PM
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3. For the first time in twenty years, I am now hearing that Social
Security is solvent. We were never given figures before. I've seen the talking heads on CNN say they were not counting on Social Security to be there for them.

The debate is productive and informative.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:41 PM
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8. the debate is/will be productive if truthful info is given on both sides-
Unfortuately little critical analysis is being done--just a lot of shouting and propaganda. No wonder people tune it out.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:30 PM
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4. SSI? Supplemental Security Income?
I think you're referring to Social Security benefits paid post-retirement. SSI is under the Social Security Administration, but is a different program altogther.

From the Social Security website:

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/11000.html#part2

The SSI program makes payments to people with low income who are age 65 or older or are blind or have a disability.

The Social Security Administration manages the SSI program. Even though Social Security manages the program, SSI is not paid for by Social Security taxes. SSI is paid for by U.S. Treasury general funds, not the Social Security trust funds.

SSI makes monthly payments to people who have low income and few resources and are:

Age 65 or older;
Blind; or
Disabled.

______________

Your old buddy gratuitous here again: Just making this post in the interests of painstaking accuracy. I know what you mean about media brainwashing. It seems no letter to the editor in the local fishwrap pro or con can get published without the magical "2042" date for the program's going bankrupt.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:36 PM
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5. I have heard that the underlying problem
is that there aren't enough payers into the system. And whose fault is that? Congress, Reagan, and the state legislatures that went along with yanking public workers off Social Security. The fulltimers pay into private accounts, and those working fewer than 20 hours a week or working temp (ha!) pay into...Nothing!

A fast shot in the arm for Soc. Sec. would be to mandate that all temp and PT public workers be returned to the Social Security fold. It will help the vast majority of public workers, and help Social Security.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:37 PM
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6. the Reich Wing wants to destroy SSI because it was started by Liberals and
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 12:40 PM by sam sarrha
every time anyone gets a check the RrepugNuts think the old folks are thinking ..thank You Democrats for this free lunch.

Bu$h's Megalomania sees a Republican Check Twice a big so the old folks can say.. "Thank You Republican Party for this Mother Load of Bountiful Treasure...!!!!

it is all petty bullshit from the mind of a brain damaged wet brain alcoholic Moron. ..and his puppet Masters.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:46 PM
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9. Question for younger people
say you die at 35 or 40...you know your family will get your full amount of surviving benefits..to help them alone until they are 18.........

if you take that 3 or 4 % and put it in "private accounts" then your SS would be 3 or 4 % less the benefits for your family.....

if your investments failed or like Enron a company steals them from you.........how is that in the best interest of your family.....

or if you live long enough to collect.less the % in accounts and lose money.....will you then cry FOUL and want your past monies( that you let the government play with) back?
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TheOriginalAmerican Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:51 PM
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10. In younger people's defense...
This myth about social security has been propoganda for years by both liberals and conservatives. Only now that Bush claims he wants to privatize it are the older people saying that SS is okay.

I do think that SS needs reform. I don't think I like Bush's idea though.

Please don't villify younger people here. They made up a good percentage of Kerry votes. If the vote was theirs, then Kerry would be president right now.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:04 PM
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11. someone needs to explain this
to younger workers.

to easy fix to this is to raise the cap.....not make the tax cuts permanent and put the money that was stolen back into the account.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:34 PM
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12. "someone needs to explain this"
to the people on DU

There is not a single Democratic leader that favors raising the SS cap.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:20 PM
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13. When the Government borrows from SSI to pay for the war then does not want
to pay it back, SSI will go broke. They want it Privatized because they borrowed from SSI and now can not/ do not want to pay it back.
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