John Fogarty Is Playing Fortunate Son Now At The Pre Game Show

[DemocratSinceBirth]

He should have dedicated it to George Bush...

[Cocoa]

1. I'm surprised they allowed it

too "controversial"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Now Another Anti-War Song

Bad Moon Rising...


Most folks won't get it...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. They Should Do "Who Will Stop The Rain"

Rain was a euphenism for the Viet Nam War...

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. I read an interview just recently

with Fogarty and he said no, this song was not about Vietnam.

[Blue_In_AK]

25. I saw CCR in Denver in 1968...

They sang Bad Moon Rising shortly after we all got teargassed, with a big full moon rising over the bleachers. Wonderful show.

[cascadiance]

13. I wonder if he started playing "Deja Vu All Over Again"

if they'd cut away from it like they did Janet Jackson last year! :) That would be hoping for too much though! Even more controversial than an exposed breast probably.

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Could your eyes believe the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

One by one I see the old ghosts rising
Stumblin' 'cross Big Muddy
Where the light gets dim
Day after day another Momma's crying
She's lost her precious child
To a war that has no end

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you stop to read the writing at The Wall
Did that voice inside you say
I've seen this all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again
It's like Deja Vu all over again

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. My thoughts exactly

THIS is the song he should be playing.

[OneTwentyoNine]

4. Wish they'd play Sweet Cherry Wine by Tommy James....

Oh yeah yesterday my friends were marching out to war
Oh yeah listen now we ain't a marching anymore
No we ain't gonna fight
Only God has the right
To decide who's to live and die

Watch the mountain turn
To dust and blow away
Oh Lord, you know there's got to be a better way
And the old masquerade is a no soul parade
Marchin' through the ruins of time

[Hissyspit]

5. Right-Wingers Love CCR, because most don't have a f**king clue...

...what the lyrics are about. (i.e. George Will misreads Springsteen's "Born In The U.S.A." CCR is Creedence Clearwater Revival, John Fogerty's 1960's band, for those who may be wondering...)

NOTE: Censorship of the word 'fucking' is my own.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Yeah...

but Fortunate Son, Who Will Stop The Rain, and Bad Moon Rising were about the war...


Funny thing about CCR... Their tempo was upbeat while the lyrics were sober....

[Pepperbelly]

32. John was a pretty bitter Viet vet ... the words were sincere. nt

[coloradodem2005]

18. Before there was Skynyrd and before the Allman Bros.

There was CCR. There style of music was like southern Rock before there was southern rock. So it does not surprise me that they like the style, but Fogarty was very supportive of Kerry so I think that it is interesting and the fact that they do not understand what "Fortunate Son" was about shows how clueless they are.

[arewenotdemo]

43. excuse me...even mention of Will's name makes me

:puke:

[Eloriel]

7. What channel? nt/

[Hissyspit]

8. CBS; I think you missed it

when I went to it, they were at commercial

[Hissyspit]

14. Oh, yeah; he sang it on Fox!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. fox

eom

[JohnOneillsMemory]

9. Please keep those of us TV-free updated on the propaganda, ok?

The Superbowl is nothing but propaganda to make men fixate on mock-warfare. I study propaganda but can't bear to watch TV.

I remember the one right after 9/11 being like the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.

[Hissyspit]

10. I've got figure skating on right now.

...but would have loved to see Forgerty get in that dig. I have no intention of watching any of the Super Bowl. My favorite Super Bowl Sunday was one in the early 1990s. While everyone else was at home, I was driving down Skyline Drive in the mountains of Virginia. Not another car for hours. Saw deer and bear and the lights glowing in the valleys below. It was beautiful.

[ALago1]

11. I think your take on sports is a little over the top

Truth be told, sports were an integral part of humans becoming civilized beings. It was a way for our early ancestors to subjugate their instincts for war and destruction by paricipating in such games with mutually agreed upon rules and regulations (i.e: no killing).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I Like To Watch Football And Basketball..

It doesn't make me feel like fighting...

It's just fun...


As Freud said "some times a cigar is just a cigar."

[ALago1]

19. Thats exactly the point

You compete or play because you enjoy fierce competition or intense exertion and as a result do not want to put those urges toward warring and fighting.

I don't think the theory works regarding passive spectators. I agree, it's just fun.

[Hissyspit]

20. Well, technically, he was critiquing the Super Bowl, not sports in general

Super Bowl is a major mass media/mass culture event.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

27. Consider the distraction and socialization factors of male team sports.

Yes, the Super Bowl is the Super Propaganda event that is the pay-off of the more pedestrian kind.

BUT-

The male brain is still programmed by millions of years of hunting to survive and testosterone to be physically aggressive. Look at who is in prison for violent crimes.

Men mostly talk to each other in the common language of ballgames. They discuss the warriors, the records of teams, who is going to 'win.'

Televised team sports are the Roman gladiator battles of our day which occupy men's attention so they know nothing about politics, history, life and death matters.

Sports indoctrinates boys into wanting to 'be on the team' and follow the coach, want a uniform, hate the 'other team', sublimate their identity to the pack, defend their territory, think only one group can win-not all, etc.

You see how all this serves to use the male mind's instincts for war as a distraction and model for recruiting into the military?

Who were the bullies in high school? Mostly jocks who acted like a gang that was rewarded for dominating the weaker kids, very Darwinist, very 'might makes right.'

The evening propaganda-I mean 'local news'- is partly sports and has very little more than fires and criminals, tabloid bullshit.

If boys and men could be weened off organized sports, we might have a chance of demilitarizing our culture. I could go on and on but I think ya git mah drift.

[mistertrickster]

45. I totally agree--when I see these big corporate spectaculars, all I

can think about are the bread, circuses, and gladitorial contests to keep the proletarites contented in Imperial Rome.

"The sports team from my geographical area can beat the sports team from your geographical area." The Onion

It's satire, but it expresses the truth of both the futile stupidity and dogmatic provincialism of the mock combat that American football has become.

[Hissyspit]

17. Either subjugate or encourage, or both.

sublimate?

[Hissyspit]

16. Hi, JohnO'Neillsmemory

I haven't forgotten John O'Neill, either. Did you know hime personally, or just like to remind people?

I feel a kinship with him that I would be a pains to explain here.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

24. I'm just another outraged American. JO's story is encapsulates the BFEE.

9/11 wiped out my work in the entertainment industry (concert sound) for a few months and I started reading online to figure out what the hell had happened.

William Pitt's essay 'Hell to Pay' explained Pipline-istan and the Bush-Saudi-bin Laden connection that made oil take precedence over our national security. That's how I started reading and writing at DU.

FBI bin-Laden hunter John O'Neill died from not being allowed to find his man, supposedly.

Single faces on a story are a good way for it to be humanized and thus heard. I was horrified when the SBVFT Kerry-smearer surfaced with the same name.

Whether or not bin Laden is at the heart of 9/11, the worst terrorists are in the White House as they have been for 100 years of fascist eugenics and war.

[Hissyspit]

30. Whether he died deliberately or not, all Americans should be ashamed

I was pissed about the swift-boat guy, too.
Will Pitt and truthout is what brought me to DU. I have been reading for years, but only started posting last month, for some reason. I mainly used to just check the home page and read Top 10 Conservative Idiots for a dose of sanity.

I was at the World Trade Center, on vacation, and told my girlfriend that they would try again and that Americans had their heads up their asses, basically. I told they wouldn't use truck bombs because they didn't work the first time and that all these concrete barriers they had up wouldn't help because the terrorists would work around them. It was a drizzly rainy Sunday afternoon. We were trying to get Broadway tickets. She wouldn't go up to the top of the building because she felt uneasy. The day was August 11, 2001, the weekend of the famous PDB. A month later we were on the phone together and she was saying 'you were just talking about this.' Then I had to listen to Condoleeza say basically no one could have seen this coming. Right. I was on vacation. I teach art history. I saw it coming. I went online to find who else saw this coming. That's when I found the Nova/Frontline (can't remember which) documentary on O'Neill.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

36. Woa. Kinda close to home for you, hunh? My buddy called me two days

later and I hadn't heard from him for a few years. He was in midtown when it happened and lost friends from the Broadway fire station who went down to the WTC and didn't come back. Had PTSD for a while. But the impact on him rekindled our friendship. "A friend in need..."

[Hissyspit]

40. Americans seemed so surprised by the attacks...

Your friend shouldn't have had to have gone through that. It was not necessary. 9/11 Commission's "Failure of Imagination" has special resonance for me. I think they were being 'politically polite.'

[BuyingThyme]

21. I can't get off the Puppy Bowl on Animal Planet

[Hissyspit]

22. Now I'm watching Paula's Home Cooking on Food Network:

she's making Almond Joy chocolate balls.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. You Just Missed Michelle Tafoya...

She is phat...

[Clark2008]

33. There's a puppy bowl?

Awww... I love puppies!

:)

[Clark2008]

34. I'm loving this!

Instant puppy replays and ball cams.

:loveya:

[Hissyspit]

39. There's also the Lingerie Bowl on Pay-Per-View

...I think I'll keep my money.

[Hissyspit]

26. Paul Should Do Cover of "Fortunate Son" During Half-time

But he won't.

[Clark2008]

35. I'm pretty sure Paul's done a frew anti-war songs in his lifetime.

Here's hoping he does one tonight. ;)

[OneTwentyoNine]

28. I'm shocked they didn't load him up with a "can't play" list.

Ya know,like corporate owned radio does with all their DJ's?? When's the last time you heard WAR by Edwin Starr on CC or Entercom?? Bet its been well over two years.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. All The Popular Songs Were Anti-War Except For Sweet Hitchiker

And Centerfield which for obvious reasons wouldn't be appropriate...

[Hissyspit]

31. Wonder if he'll get death threats now?

[Hissyspit]

41. Can anyone verify that he did indeed play "Fortunate Son" during pre-game?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. yes

[cascadiance]

44. Yup, I saw him play both that and Bad Moon Rising...

I saw him play both that and Bad Moon Rising...

[Hissyspit]

46. Thanks!

[JerseygirlCT]

47. I never understood why Dukakis didn't use that for his

campaign song...

Missed this -- wish I'd seen it!

[American Tragedy]

48. I absolutely can't believe that one was permitted.

That is truly amazing.

[Anon]

49. Well...This is my take on the song.

I've always thought the line "I aint no Senators son" referred to Gore.

oh yeah, and in 'Full Metal Jacket', I thought Jokers CO was modeled after Gore also.

[Bridget Burke]

50. Fogarty & Gore went to Vietnam.

Your president pulled strings to avoid it.

Then he couldn't even handle the Battle of Ellington--where his TANG unit was based. Actually, his unit is still there, although Ellington is now Ellington Field, not an AFB. Planes from his old unit escorted Fearless Leader part of the way on his mad dash from Florida to Nebraska on 9/11.

[Anon]

51. Hmmmmm.....I dont think I implied that Gore didnt go to Vietnam

Or that I defended *.

[RetroLounge]

52. Enjoy your (short) stay

RL

[American Tragedy]

53. Well, what you suggest is factually plausible

Gore was indeed a Senator's son, and he did military journalism like Joker, aside from the fact that it couldn't literally be based on Al Gore, since it was written long before he was a high profile figure.

But, all political bias aside, I'm fairly certain he's not part of the persona to whom Fogerty is referring, and you probably know that too.

[Pepperbelly]

54. how fucking goofy are you if that is your take on that song? nt