What kind of "leader" woud cut taxes in the middle of a war???

[kentuck]

Every war our nation has ever been involved with, our people sacrificed for the effort. But, not this time. This "leader" was focused on his taxcuts for his friends, no matter what calamity might beset us. And now, we are paying the price. Yes, his supporters say it was the impact of 9/11 on the economy that caused the huge deficits and that was a small percentage of it. Some say it was the corporate scandals that brought us to where we are today. And that was a small part of it, but very minimal.

The reason we have come to the point is because Mr Bush decided to give his friends the huge taxcut at the same time he was increasing the military budgets and stealing blind the Social Security trust fund. Just think where they would be if they had not had the surplus in the general budget and the continuing surplus in Social Security? We would already be gasping for air. As it is, it may take a couple of more years.

[trotsky]

1. A guest on the Al Franken Show a while back...

said he wasn't aware of any example in HISTORY where taxes had been cut during a war. Just goes to show the priorities of this mis-administration. Sure the war on terror is important, but not SO important that the millionaires should go without their second yacht.

[meegbear]

6. That's the political beauty of the situation ...

You can use the phrase "we're at war" to get what you want and if it goes against logic, then you say "We're in a different kind of war".

[driver8]

10. Only a dumb ass cuts taxes during a war. n/t

It just goes to show that the only thing this administration cares about is carrying out the PNAC agenda. They don't give a flying fuck about the rest of the people in this country.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. It's truly dispiciable

how Bush does these "tax cuts." I think if he raised the bar a little bit for his wealthy friends things could be better. Everybody does use 9/11 as the result. On this other board I'm on the right-wingers on there always mention "it's because of 9/11" and they do admit we started out doing well for ourselves and then 9/11 happened. :eyes: Of course we have this major defecit we'll be paying off for years to come. I wonder what things would be like if he didn't do the "tax cuts" during war. *Sigh*

[scbluevoter]

19. Another tax cutting fact. . .

Not President has lost re-election when he did cut taxes. Maybe these folks have a little more sense than we want to give them. It may be unsound fiscal policy-but the goal is to get elected.

[trotsky]

20. I'd hardly call that "sense."

They are destroying the long-term prospects for this country in exchange for being elected. That's not "sense," it's GREED. People get the government they deserve, and * voters will be "rewarded" for their selfish, uninformed vote. It's just too bad the rest of us will go down on the ship with them.

[bullimiami]

2. start with the assumption that they are doing everything for a reason

and they are not incompetent. ignore what they say and analyze their actions.

so why drive the economy into a depression while increasing the holdings of the wealthy and corporate?

so when it collapses they will be able to buy it all up for a pittance and then rent it all back to us exacting whatever price they ask.

it is a drive back to the age of the giant industrialists, back to dickens, when everything is controlled by the wealty and they act with impunity, which must be viewed by these people as an ideal.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. That reminds me of

when Bush bankrupt his two oil companies and he got bailed out. Now he's owing them big-time. So if we go bankrupt as a nation and totally shut down he'll call on one of his big cat fat friends to "bail" us out and we'll be paying them off for years to come. That way they'll have their corporations in Iraq to get all the oil and own us here until everything is paid off. Why else would Bush want to send us down the drain during war time? :grr:

[FloridaPat]

3. Bushco started these wars. So let's change the view and say that

this is all for show. We are going after every available drop of oil we can anyway we can. The war on Terror is fake. We're the biggest exporters of terrorists and we're the ones that trained bin Ladin and his group. We invaded Iraq for the oil and so Bush could say he is a war president.

We seem to be at economic war with the rest of the world. The people getting the tax cuts are selling us out to do business with China and I just read an article India is starting to get a lot of business. We've been had folks and these wars are screens to keep up quiet while our country is sold out from under us.

[Just Me]

4. The kind that only relates to the filthy rich and advances plutocracy,...

,...a kind of corporate plutocracy rather than democracy. The kind that spends his country dry in order to impose an insane new world order. The kind that believes himself above the law. The kind that believes the world owes him but he owes only his wealthy cronies a piece of the profitteering from war and from funnelling his people's treasure into the pockets of a few.

Yeah. That kind.

[txaslftist]

5. A dumbass.

[DulceDecorum]

7. A leader who

had studied at Yale
and then gone on to graduate from the Harvard Business School.

Dubya is practicing what they teach.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. But you forget

Bush was a "C" student and a bit on the wild side back then. I doubt he paid attention in class and had someone "help" him with his homework. He was a frat boy wasn't he? (I think so but not 100% sure)

[BrklynLiberal]

8. We don't have any kind of "leader" in charge of this country.

[ArkDem]

9. Social Security trust fund....good one

[robbedvoter]

11. It's not a trust fund? Si it can be piratized with no qualm then

Why I am not surprised?

[ArkDem]

18. Si, Senora

[tavalon]

12. A sociopath dictator wanna be?

Oh wait, that was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?

[AlCzervik]

13. It's called Starving the beast-period.

[ThorsHammer]

17. Pretty good book on this: "The real price of war" by Joshua Goldstein

Like you said, he goes over how people have sacrificed for the war effort in every prior war. He also feels that the rich, who usually tend to be the ones without family members in the military, should pay an eveh higher share. There's also stuff about how we have a deficit, a weak economy, war costs, and yet are still pursuing a long term deficit policy. It's a prettty good book, and he also shows how the war financially affects average families.

[Ishoutandscream]

21. Where's the "sacrifice" when it comes to war?

Certainly not with the wealthy in this country. As the saying goes, "Rich man's war; poor man's fight."

[KoKo]

22. "THEY" have amazingly come up with a way to do what no OTHER Pres

has been able to do...well...I could say Nixon...and Reagan...but Nixon inherited a war..(put in "Wage/Price" freezes, though) and Reagan just spent the hell out of everything on his "Evil Empire Destruction" leaving Poppy with a debt that he "lived with" for four more years...but it took CLINTON to vanquish the VAMPIRES...sucking all our money from us to finally wrestle the debt to the ground...and he had help from the "Dot.com" boom to do it.

I think we are in "uncharted waters" here. And, it's because I read lots of stuff here on DU in "Ozy's Marketeer Site" in DU "LBN" that I can say this.

America is in "Uncharted Waters." We have to believe that Alan Greenspan is a GENIUS...or we all are lost. Because NOTHING ADDS UP if one remembers "Financial Models" which have served us for over a Century.

Maybe the Bushies are right...the "Supply Siders" are correct. The "New World Economy" is ruling and other models are dead...:shrug:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. What war?

The tax cuts are proof there isn't really a war.
Still, my sympathies to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in this mideast adventure.

[KoKo]

24. True....there's no "War." It's an "action" to promote Democracy

in the world. We are the "Leaders" on this. After 9/11 it fell to the American People who LIBERATED EUROPE from the Nazi's/Fascists/Communists to be the "light under the bushel" for DEMOCRACY TO RING! The World Over...

And God said..."Let their be Light....and the Light so SHONE UPON THE WORLD...that they AWOKE and PRAISED JESUS that the LIGHT SHONE UPON those who would deny US ALL ..OUR FREEDOMS...(quoth George Bush...from his "Prayer Breakfast" with Falwell..who shamed us all). :wow: