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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:22 PM Original message |
The Social Security Crisis |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Great, succinct description |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Because said money is invested in trust funds |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Yes, the cities and counties and corporations |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I'm an individual |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. The point is simple - |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Yes I completely agree |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. First of all - it is a fact |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I agreed facetiously |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Okay, let's go back then |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I disagree in relevancy |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. You are missing the point |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. No I wouldn't agree. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Again you argue by assertion - |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. OK |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Ah great, we're getting somewhere - |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Hmmmm |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Your suggestion is to perpetuate an enormous |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Because my plan would preserve Social Security. |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. You didn't respond - |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Well |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
124. Ok - |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Well at least i'm blissful |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Why |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. OK |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Nice response |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. You hit the nail on the head....very good point, and therefore the |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
84. Well |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Sad but true. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. That still wouldn't handle the expense of creating such a system |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Sorry |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:20 PM Original message |
Dupe |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. Why Do You Insist On Using The WH Propoganda Terminology? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Good point |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Answers |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. LOL!!! Higher Taxes???? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. You seem to be confused |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. So You Admit It's Just A Fantasy? It's STILL Ludicrous |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Not a fanatsy |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Tax Hikes And All??? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Wrong |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. Bullshit and You Still Haven't Answered Why You Use WH Propoganda Terms |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. FYI |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Why Do You Use WH PROPOGANDA???? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #146 |
154. Answer |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:50 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. LOL! Too Bad The WH JUST Started Using The Term! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
129. The myth of the revenue "shortfall" |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #129 |
145. So you plan to save the system |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
165. You didn't read close enough |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. This seems pretty unrealistic |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Not really |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. That is incorrect |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Prove it |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. How Do You Buy A Treasury? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Confused |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Meant Treasuries |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
87. No, that wouldn't .. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Yes it would |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
110. The same argument applies in reverse |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. Because if US government fails to redeem |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Except that SS owes the money to individuals ... |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. That's where you're wrong - |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. I said Social Security owes the money to individuals |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. There is no obligation between Social Security |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Any politician who voted to do what you are suggesting ... |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. They are doing it already - |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. Not the same thing at all ... |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. It illustrates the lack of any contractual |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #110 |
120. Here's why |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. well, I've always objected to the "unified budget" |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
176. Six of one - a half dozen of another.... |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. You are right EXCEPT........................... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. very true - the rich forced a deficit and now shout NO TAX INCREASE in '18 |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Disagree |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
144. OK - but splitting hairs is what folks do - I agree there is a problem - I |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. If the US "repudiates" the SS Trust Fund |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. Here is another version --- the money is there (will the govt pay it) |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
117. Very good article--quoted it above. |
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nodictators (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
122. The statements above in the thread post are totally FALSE |
sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
160. Trust me.. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Someone created a govt fiscal crisis |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Thats Right. So The Crises Lies With The General Budget |
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x_y_no (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
94. Yes! |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
75. The big blunder was to let the US Treasury take our payroll taxes |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Ok |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Aren't those "IOUs" also known as "Treasury Bonds"? |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. There is a difference between owing money to |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Wish ful thinking in the extreme |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. If United States government decides not to repay its loans |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I wonder how many "Government" organizations |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Yes |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Don't repay aged via bonds - and you only screw aged - YEP a values |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Really? |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Please explain why an outsider who holds US Treasury Bonds |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Because, historically |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Good point. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Examples? (nt) |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. There is a difference between "internal debt" |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Central bankers (who hold much of our public debt) |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Please give an example |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I took economic history back in the 1960's |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I think you're mixing up governments not paying |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. What Bush is proposing |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Of course it is - |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. That's why there is chocolate and vanilla, |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
81. Example: If General Motors needs to start a new factory, it |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
109. But if GM "borrows" the money from a subsidiary |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
156. Correct, all internal problems will see sunlight, however the discussion |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #156 |
166. Which, anecdotally and historically |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #166 |
170. The internal default of US bonds is not scheduled until 2040 or so, |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #170 |
175. I will be in the Big Democratic Party In The Sky By Then |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
155. Actually, no. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. Two reasons. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Point two points to why the privitization scheme is crap |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Exactly, the CEPR article I read pointed that out as well. |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
98. Going back 100 years, GDP has averaged 3%, stocks 11% |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well, here's the point. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Thanks |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. There is no Soc Sec crisis - THERE IS A BUSH DEFICIT CRISIS |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Agree - Simple Econ 101. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Inaccurate |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Political judgement |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Its valid |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
125. Those "personal" accounts aren't that personal |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
147. If equities is the way to go - why not let the Trust invest in Equities. |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 12:27 AM Response to Reply #147 |
171. That would work.....except the politicians will have less money to spend |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
133. NOT Looting = not investing in Gov Bonds, Wage base increase means |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
76. We are paying for the tax cuts for the top 1% with our FICA taxes... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. Wow, that last sentence requires a front loader and a settling pond. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. So there is a crisis |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. those that say there there is no crisis now are on the GOP side - the only |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. No |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. FDR originally proposed three things |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Agreed :-) |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. NO - most DUers would buy any pan that did not involve borrowing and |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. true :-) |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
26. Another point I want to make |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Looting SS |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. That's nice. Now it's time to STOP. -nt- |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Agreed |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
60. The Problem Is It's NOT SS That's CAUSING The "Crisis" |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Thanks for taking the time to try & educate kool-aid drinkers. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
161. Thanks for saying exactly what I was thinking! |
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bluedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
61. $$$$$$$$$$$ 2.6 TRILLION......spent since 2001........................... |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
67. PLEASE don't use a Republican frame when referring to this |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Who says |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
136. There is always an if - but tax increase to reduce deficit is a huge |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
79. ALRIGHT, then STOP cutting taxes and PUT THE FUCKING |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Yes, we need to sto cutting taxes AND reduce spending because |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Ahhh, yes, the Laffer curve. |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. You are right, the Reagan deficits were large, but the Treasury |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. How exactly did revenues double while the deficit |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
157. This is how defcits can grow while revenues increase----> |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #101 |
169. I did check treasury data and here's what I found... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
113. actually people depending on SS *spend* nearly all their money |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. That's right- and that's the theory behind- drumroll..... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
105. BACK IN WHERE? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Remember those IOU's you were talking about? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
148. You still don't get it |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. If you're talking about it going bankrupt, |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #105 |
137. There can be a "trust fund w/o IOU's" by selling those IOU's and buying |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #137 |
149. The trust fund doesn't work |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Alternative option: |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Look, with some clever budgeting, there has to be a way |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:10 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. "Clever" Budgeting |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
134. Everyone Has Private Accounts, So What Happens To SS Disability, |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. The equity investment/real estate investment is not a bad - IMHO |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #140 |
151. Great point. nt |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #140 |
158. If there are only 3 fund choices, they better pick mutual funds |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
138. "SS is like a car with the gas tank 3/4 full..." |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. I agree :-) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-08-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #138 |
163. I don't think Bush is trying to "eliminate" SS, atleast I hope not |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 04:56 AM Response to Reply #163 |
172. Privatization of SS "un-socializes" it |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-05 01:09 AM Response to Reply #172 |
178. Yes, but only if it was 100% privatization, my understanding is |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
167. For fuck's sake. |
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dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
168. Ok, here's the answer, if anyone cares |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
173. Every Western Nation faces a demographic crunch. |
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padude (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
174. Paying for this damn war!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
177. Check Out "Bush lays the groundwork for defaulting on US Treasury Bonds" |
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