Jeff Gannon QUITS!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

http://www.jeffgannon.com

Jeff Gannon

A Voice of the New Media

The voice goes silent.

Because of the attention being paid to me I find it is no longer possible to effectively be a reporter for Talon News. In consideration of the welfare of me and my family I have decided to return to private life.

Thank you to all those who supported me.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/05353/85271

DTH

[merwin]

1. One down, hundreds to go.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

21. Damn right. This is sweeping sand off the beach. Long way to go....n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

176. Psych warfare techniques were perfected in the 1940s and became Fox TV!.

How many of us all looked at that 2003 University of Maryland PIPA study (Program on International Policy Attitudes) that showed how watching TV News made people less-informed about Iraq and more supportive of the Bush** wars? Many of us thought "aha! I knew it!"

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html
(Why Fox News Channel is an Industry Joke, by Ron Kaufman)

This webpage has the PIPA study down in the middle and is an excellant eplainer of how psy-ops misinformation tactics are the staple of TV News on all the networks, not just Fox.


What we didn't realize is that the PIPA study was used to VERIFY THAT FOX NEWS PROPAGANDA WORKED WELL!!

When academics find out how misinformed many Americans are, it is in the service of the bastards in the White House, not against them.

This has been going on since the days of Roosevelt in the 1930s and 1940s when he used this new technique of governance to benefit the public during the Great Depression and WWII. But it has been used against us ever since.

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/simpson.html
(Excerpt from Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological Warfare, 1945-1960 by Christopher Simpson (New York: Oxford University Press, 1996 paperback), pp. 48-51)

>snip<

"Williams' study simply reports data gathered by the American Institute of Public Opinion and the Office of Public Opinion Research at Princeton during the winter of 1944-45 concerning popular attitudes on the U.S. role in international affairs, broken out by geographic region of the country. Williams uses the data to strongly advocate "making the United States more international-minded,"...

>snip<

[Just Me]

55. He's prolly just gonna' work for the "Pentagon" channel.

Our very own fascist channel: publicly-funded, government-controlled, propaganda channel.

:scared:

[AuntiBush]

99. Seen it!

Called my Sattelite company asking, "What the hey is this?" It's on regular programing. The guy laughed at me stating, "Well, guess we know (laughing) who you voted for!"

I reminded him I was a paying customer, he shouldn't talk to me as such, and remarked that I had not made any mention of my political stand, rather I didn't like seeing the Pentagon just above Disney 1 and 2 channels. He laughed again. No apologies, just laughter.

When my year is up this spring, I'm letting go of pay television, and opting for PBS and books. Besides, I get the real news out here on the internet. Unreal, uh. Who would "ever" have thought... American falling prey to propaganda government-controlled media, on the very programing I pay for monthly (no choice, but I pay), and it's paid with public funds.

[stumblnrose]

108. Disney is the prequel to Pentagon Channel

There is some sort of Christian values production thing going on at Disney Channel that I can't quite put my finger on. All real teen-age relationship issues are nuanced into some sort of treacle. There's always a boy-girl relationship based on friendship not romance/sex that I just don't see in the real world. Sort of a let's all be friends but don't talk about, see or do the sex thingee. Maybe the logical trail's end to Michael Eisner and Hillary Duff's see no evil/pretend to do no evil universe is the Pentagon channel.

Edited for typo

[realisticphish]

125. if you notice

as soon as a disney star begins to become truly attractive, she is slowly shoved to the sidlines. we dont want those kids being attracted to anything, no sir


:hippie: The incorrigible Democrat

[LittleClarkie]

214. Hey! ELCA! Me too!

Cool. Christian Dems! Who'da thunk it.

The freepers around here can't figure out how I can be a church-going Christian AND a Kerry-voting Dem. Maybe someday, after Bush-gate, they'll figure it out

[realisticphish]

222. a liberal dem! who knew!

c'mon over to the christian progressive group...god knows we need some posting traffic.

i see you're in wisconson...the heart of lutheran territory :)


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[FreedomAngel82]

128. What a rude man

You should've had his butt fired for being so rude to you.

[calimary]

151. So what you need to do now is follow up, like so:

Follow up to the company with a paper letter. If, by any chance, you got the name of the fellow you talked to, send it to him ALSO.

I say ALSO because at the bottom of your letter, make sure you CC: it to a number of other people:

This company's competitors. An Eliot Spitzer (NY attorney general) type if you have one even remotely near you or your state level, your local newspaper(s), perhaps a larger regional newspaper, your local news radio station(s), your local TV station(s), your congressman/woman, your two senators.

Yes, I know it's a lot of work. Mostly Xeroxing. And, yes, postage. But isn't it worth the price of one visit to the snack bar or the latte counter? Emailing this won't do that much. People don't always pay a lot of attention to emails and they're easily deleted so nobody else has to know. This way, a LOT of other people know and see this. Furthermore, a paper letter can get copied and posted on the bulliten board in the lunch room or passed around among those of like mind, who might - just might - be motivated to show some guts on their own. You MUST figure that if you feel this way, there HAVE TO BE many others who do also, but just haven't had the time or the inclination to do something about it the way you have.

I read an article (posted here, once upon a time) about a lady who participated in an anti-war rally in New York City during the run-up to the Iraq war (so this was, obviously, awhile ago). She later read, and got ticked off by, the coverage of said rally in the New York Times. As expected, they low-balled the crowd-size estimate. She knew the truth because she'd been there and seen its far-larger size for herself. So she complained. Here's how: She wrote a letter to the Times. But she didn't stop there. She CC:ed it to several departments at the Times, I believe LTTEs, news desk, president of the company, and the reporters responsible for the actual story. And she didn't even stop THERE. She further CC:ed that same letter to the main competition of the Times (the Washington Post) AND, I believe, to Editor & Publisher or some such publication/website that's seen by A LOT of news people from all over - so, in effect, a WHOLE LOT of people, including its competitition, could see and enjoy that the Times was being outed for lousy reporting. There was a correction printed almost immediately.

If this woman had merely sent one little little-guy complaint, it would have been seen for the weight and influence it had - one little piece of paper from one litte-guy type who didn't have much clout. She made it a WHOLE LOT beefier and more effective.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

166. Yup. Let the weasels know WE KNOW their scam. They will attempt to adjust

their tactics and even throw us some bones to see if that is enough. And it won't be. We want even more accountability.

Amnesty International used this tactic and it didn't save every political prisoner they wrote about but it did save some.

DU has ALREADY put some of these bastards on the run!

[calimary]

146. Yeah, he'll probably be back.

But it's interesting to see how they crumble when the light and heat are pointed full-on onto them. Well, well, well, Mr. Tough-guy "'Talon' News," can't take the heat, 'eh? Can't do your little dirty-work job when you realize people are watching you and know what you're up to, can ya? Another bully. Doing what bullies do when confronted, guys.

Boo-hoo, cry me a river.

BTW, can't take the heat, part two: he's worried about all the hoo-haw's effect on his family? What does he say to his fellow jackbooters who've posted Michael Moore's address and family names on the internet, exhorting them to do something about it? Or when the anti-choice Body-Snatchers post the names and addresses and family info of doctors at family planning clinics? Oh, THAT'S okay. But Mr. Tough-guy "'Talon' News" folds like a wilted Kleenex when the heat's on.

I have but one question: Now that he's gotten at least a tiny taste of just desserts, who's NEXT?

[tavalon]

219. Actually, I have another question

Is it possible that Jeff "that's not my real name" Gannon is folding to make sure KKKarl Rove is protected? Just a little thought that crossed my mind. I'm sure it can't be that, right? Yeah, right.

[waldnorm]

80. All but Bob Novak, Apparently

Shame on CNN!

[Dinger]

152. Bingo!

Is this guy ever gonna get his??

[FreedomAngel82]

126. Good news

I feel bad for his family but he should've known better. He did the right thing. Hopefully he doesn't pop up again in the future.

[SammyBlue]

140. I never knew that the GOP would change their mascot

From the Elephant to the Jellyfish. What a coward! He could have used the Limbaugh "It's the liberal's fault for my drug addiction coming to the surface" defense, but, alas, this chicken shit just walks away from the fight he was going to lose.

BTW, numb nuts, It's "Because of the attention being paid to me I find it is no longer possible to effectively be a reporter for Talon News. In consideration of the welfare of my family and me, I have decided to return to private life," not the illiterate way you wrote it.

Please, Jeffy, leave the writing to those with skill (like aspiring screenwriters and novelists with training, like me) and stick to just being a tool.

Schmuck!

[kentuck]

2. Now that he's been exposed....

They have blown his cover. damn them!

[War Pigs]

47. Rash Lardball is always hiring fact checkers, fuckface. Some "thinktank"

will hire this turd

[Downtown Hound]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Bye Jeff! I want you to know that here on DU, you'll always be number one, just like you requested.

[Mojambo]

6. This might just get him to number one.

:D

[Contrary1]

8. I think of him as more like a "number two". n/t

[TOhioLiberal]

11. Yep...

A complete piece of shit!

[ashmanonar]

73. no, i think cheney is more number two...

[SammyBlue]

178. How dare you insult shit by comparing it to Crashcart!

Something good was ingested to make shit. Nothing good was put into the genetic makeup of Dick "Let's do my best to piss of every American Jew and Holocaust survivor by dressing like I'm on an ince fishing trip, drawing attention to me because I have no self esteem and taking attention away from real reason we are at the 60th aniversary of the Liberation of the Nazi's most notorious death camp, Auschwitz" Cheney.

Personally, I came to his and Chimpy's defense. My parents said that those two aren't fit to live with pigs, I said they were.

[ashmanonar]

185. LOL

nah, i agree with your parents. pigs are much cleaner and smarter animals than chimp and chen.

[Guaranteed]

216. Hee hee nt

[goodboy]

195. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Mojambo]

3. Caught, the coward scurries from the light.

No worries, I'm sure they have another media stoolie waiting in the wings.

[ClarkUSA]

4. Cockroaches don't like flashlights shined on them

Let's out them all. Karl Rove probably hired him to be a media lobbyist in the
Budget Department.

[earth mom]

32. LMAO! Yup more cockroaches to go-we need a giant can of raid! nt

[despairing optimist]

5. You never quit the mob

At least not vertically.

[DesEtoiles]

7. I want to know what McClellan will have to say about it

[diamond14]

10. makes you wonder about SECURITY at OUR White House....

all you need is a web site, a mailbox drop and YOU too can get a PRESS PASS.....amazing, isn't it?

[DoYouEverWonder]

56. It doesn't hurt to be good buddies

with the pResident either.

[blondeatlast]

64. Or the Chairman of the RNC. nt

[seventythree]

212. and a fake name

[tavalon]

220. Now that's a bit o' bullshit

If it really were that easy, WRP, Plaid Adder and about a dozen other fabulous DU writers, along with Molly Ivins and Jon Stewart (wouldn't that be a hoot) would be in the WH press room.

No, that only works if KKKarl wants you there.

[blondeatlast]

63. Or Ken Mehlman? or both? nt

[Hamsta1]

77. What McClellan will say about it...

nothing.

[SammyBlue]

179. Some white washing bullshit. McCellan is a yes man,

Less slimy than Ari, but slimy none the less. He gets paid to be the mouth piece of Heir Chimpster. I wonder if all of them use industrial strength cleaning agents to wash themselves. . .wait, never mind. You have to have a conscience to do that.

[kodi]

9. Well, Beefcakes, you will always have your gay escort service.

.

[XanaDUer]

22. No shit?

He really runs gay porn sites?

Curiouser and curiouser...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. From Americablog

Go to article for more links

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/holy-crap_08.html

Tuesday, February 08, 2005

Holy crap
by John in DC - 2/8/2005 07:03:51 PM

Update: He just resigned.

Let me say again, holy crap.

The blogosphere has dug up some really really really creepy stuff about that pseudo-reporter with the pseudonym who the White House lets ask all the softball questions about their briefings. His pseudonym is Jeff Gannon, and well, the folks at DailyKos, and Eschaton, have been doing a little digging around on him.

It's a long and sordid tale, but let me give it to you in a nutshell. Mr. Gannon's home page is JeffGannon.com. Well, JeffGannon.com is owned by a person and company that owns the following Web addresses as well:

Hotmilitarystud.com
Militaryescorts.com
Militaryescortsm4m.com
And for those of you who are really straight or really clueless, "m4m" is a gay online term for men who are looking to have sex with other men, and "escort" means prostitute. And being a military escort is also against the Uniform Code of Military Justice in at least two different ways, if not more.

Now, I'm not one to judge how folks like to get their jollies (assuming no children are involved and it's consensual), but then again, I don't suck up to the family values agenda like Mr. Gannon does. I've been through Gannon's archives, and it's a horrendous accumulation of religious right suck-up pieces on gay issues. Some are concerned that perhaps it's not fair to hit him with the gay card, if he is gay. Well, take a look at some of the stories from Gannon's Talon News Service: here, here, here Talon is promoting "ex-gays," defending Bush on gay marriage, and Gannon himself writing a story defending Santorum on his man-dog-sex commments about gays. There are lots more, you get the picture.

Oh, and speaking of pictures, they found photos too.

The big issue here is whether the White House has been knowingly opening its doors to a pseudonymous male hustler (or pimp) so he'll pose softball questions to the president. If that's the case here - and in all fairness, we still need to hear from Gannon - it's not just creepy, it's outrageous and an incredible violation of the country's trust, and just as importantly, White House security. Do these people do a background check on anyone?

Just go and read it all for yourself.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

57. the picture that is linked in that article is "jeff"? nt.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

76. lol! I think so! n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

79. Could these RW operatives be using the gay porn sites

to gather information on and blackmail gay servicemen? Like "Once you have collected your company's absentee ballots, bring the bag over to XXX before turning it in, or we will reveal these emails/photos/etc."

[bloom]

101. I think that is worth speculating about...n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

130. If they are doing that

then it must mean they are desperate for the media to write good stories about them.

[XanaDUer]

123. Thnx

n/t.

[ClintonTyree]

171. "whether the White House has been knowingly.....................

opening it's doors to a pseudonymous male hustler"........

What do you think? Will they own up to the fact that they KNOW this man, at all? Never in a million years. The "responsibility administration" will disavow all knowledge of Jeff Gannon, Talon News.....anybody or anything remotely connected.

Of course they know. Why do you think he was bush's "go to" guy? But of course they'll never admit to it. The little dictator is above any scrutiny whatsoever.

[sundancekid]

116. probably a mole to the "don't ask, don't tell" stoolies

[punpirate]

12. I really, really hope...

... this isn't the end of this story. :P

[blondeatlast]

65. Agreed. Why do I keep hearing whispers that sound like...

Meeeeehlmmmmaaaaan, Meeeeehlmmmmaaaaan, Meeeeehlmmmmaaaaan...?

[monobrau]

13. Not fit to sniff Dan Rather's jock

"Because of the attention being paid to me"

For somebody who was talking tough a few days ago, this is really pathetic.

[Lexingtonian]

14. One down....

a dozen remaining, and a hot money trail to pursue.

I do hope that his "family" doesn't consist of a boyfriend....

[blondeatlast]

66. Nothing wrong with that, unless it's Ken Mehlman or Scott McClellan.

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with it being one or both of them, either... :evilgrin:

[rpannier]

15. I thought he was working on being Conservative Idiot #1

Guess he couldn't stand the heat.

[monobrau]

20. I think he just won.

That's hard core!

[tavalon]

221. He wins for taking a fall for KKKarl?

I don't think so!

[applegrove]

16. Now he pretends that he is a victim - and his family

Now he pretends that he is a victim - and his family. When in fact he was hired as a plant and an agent of propaganda. Hired as a phony journalist. And who exactly went after his family?

But the Patriot the patsies will see this and look at the attack on Harry Reid (and his family) and go - see, even.

Makes me want to barf!!

The journalists should go after his comment that somehow his family was being affected. His family was only affected by his 'grown up' decision to be an agent of propaganda and accredited to cover the highest office in the land. His own fault his family was affected!

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. How does this guy "quit" Talon News?

When Talon News is nothing but a bullshit website that only he and some other Freeper participate in?

[AZCat]

18. Can we get control over his WH press pass?

I'd like to let a DU'er loose on that douchebag Scotty.

Any suggestions on the lucky one? I saw Plaid Adder's name bandied about in another Gannon thread...

[JohnOneillsMemory]

19. Don't be fooled. This is a ruse to give the illusion of curing the disease

Three paid-off pundits and this obvious shill are a tiny sacrifice play to carry out the Abu Ghraib-style 'Few Bad Apples' method of damage control, the illusion of cleaning house.

The whole mainstream media has been CIA-steered for 50 years, people.

(This long post is something I had copied to paste in another thread but it is very pertinent, especially #4 below.) Check it out:

Simply, Americans have been lied to and brainwashed for almost 100 years to make those Repubs think like that. Psychology became weaponized by the robber barons like John D. Rockefeller and used to
a) design public schools
b) sell lots of crap
c) sell politicians
d) control the mainstream media for a,b,c

Here are the details:

1) Kerry won. Electronic voting machines and voter suppression stole the election...again. Dems won the last four presidential elections.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electronic Voting, And the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE501A.html
(The Strange Death of American Democracy)
Someone here at DU actually found the evidence of hacking in the Cuyahoga County vote totals. It's there for all the world to see but to no avail.

2) Basic psychology has been used as a weapon against the masses for almost 100 years to hide the truth from us from the day we are born.

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.html?content=articles/doors_of_perception.html
(Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything)

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm
(The Rise of American Fascism)

http://www.mackwhite.com/tv.html
(The TV Hive Mind)

http://www.tscm.com/CIA_PsyOps_Handbook.html
(1979 Army Manual 33-1 Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare)
This weapon has actually been used on the American people as though they were the enemy of the White House. They are.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0712-01.htm
(Trading on Fear)
Wars and cars have been sold to us with this basic tool.

3) Public schooling was designed by robber barons in the early 1900s with the intention of turning out obedient worker drones and cannon fodder who are afraid of each other and welcome a police-state.
It works.

http://4brevard.com/choice/Public_Education.htm
(The Shocking Origins of Public Schools by John Gatto)

http://www.sntp.net/education/education.htm
(How Psychiatry & Modern Psychology Subvert
Education, and Harm Children and Society)


4) The mainstream media has been completely controlled to create a fascist mentality that blindly follows the fuhrer for over 60 years now. That's three generations of brainwashing to get to this point where they STILL have to steal the election.

Operation Mockingbird has had the CIA massaging and working in the ENTIRE MSM for over 50 years now! This is an old old story which is being minimized into the 'Few Bad Apples' technique of damage control due to the internet.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
(Operation Mockingbird: The Subversion of the Free Press by the CIA)

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
(The Origins of the Overclass)

>snip<

MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:

* Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)
* William Paley (President, CBS)
* Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)
* Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)
* Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star)
* Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)
* Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)
* James Copley (Copley News Services)
* Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)
* C.D. Jackson (Fortune)
* Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)
* ABC
* NBC
* Associated Press
* United Press International
* Reuters
* Hearst Newspapers
* Scripps-Howard
* Newsweek
* magazine Mutual Broadcasting System
* Miami Herald
* Old Saturday Evening Post
* New York Herald-Tribune

>snip<

That's why there was a blackout on election fraud again. TOTAL CONTROL.

Has anyone talked about Operation Vigilant Warrior? The NORAD exercises 'simulating' multiple hijacked planes crashed into buildings the morning of 9/11? No. TOTAL CONTROL.

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html
(9/11 Wargames Before and During the Attacks)

The NYT just edited the transcript of Rice's damning tsunami remarks at her confirmation hearing out of the online transcript. Why? Someone at the NYT is helping out the neocons. TOTAL CONTROL.

Just before the Em-poor-er's Inaugu-urination recruiting speech TIME magazine ran a cover story about young men who still live at home with the shaming headline 'Why Won't They Grow Up?' This was intended to push them into the military. TOTAL CONTROL.

Does anyone think this is a coincidence? These MSM organs are STILL all part of the Mighty Wurlitzer of organized propaganda that shape the attitudes of Americans so they will drive around and buy crap or pick up a gun and kill on command.

Americans have no idea what is going on and most of what they think they know is wrong. This gives them the innocence of ignorance.
Sad but true.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Old and In the Way]

26. Why?

There's a lot of good content in his post. Not everyone reads every thread posted on the board. Since you're new here, why not get to know the place first before you presume to speak for the DU community here....'kay?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

30. His 'why' on another thread is "you Dems are in denial that Kerry lost."

Now that's useful, isn't it?

[applegrove]

33. There is also some denial in his post - I will not sit by while

There is also some denial in his post - I will not sit by while good democrats get caught up in conspiracy theories. It is actually unhealthy. And unhealthy to be spreading that around.

There are 'selfish monsters' in the White House. That is a fact. And that is bad enough. They actually won the election by a hair. That is a fact and that is bad.

The Republicans won the election. Coming up with a conspiracy that some specific crime occurred that will turn this election around if only it would be listened to is just that - DENIAL. Denial that the actual sociopaths got control of the White House. Denial that the Chimp Bush will be in power for 4 more years.

It is not healthy for people to be in denial. I know from experience that any moment you are not vigilant and judicious (and you get loosy goosy with the facts) will be used against all Democrats and all Liberals in the months and years to come by the heinous vipers in the White House.

They do awful things. They won the election. We know for a fact they send freepers out to stir the pot and encourage conspiracy theories. Why - because denial and conspiracy theories make the Liberals look like fridge nut bombs. So they will win the next election by scaring centrists into voting for them instead of conspiracy theorist. Conspiracy theorist are the new "third party - on the left". It splits us down the middle. If the lives of conspiracy theorists stop - we are not going to be able to use their brains and brawn to stop the actual monsters in the White House.

Stop trying to pretend it (the election) didn't happen. The vipers are as bad as anything. And you have to fight them in real ways - not by pretending they could use a diebold voting machine to steal the election(therefore tomorrow a policeman could arrest Bush and the country will be handed over to Kerry). There is no evidence of that. So do not say it took place when it didn't.

And do not encourage any young or old Liberals to fall into the 'loosy goosy' trap of not following what the facts are. Just as Dan rather and CBS found out - even in times when you are very upset by what is going on - you have to follow your own rules very judiciously so as not to be destroyed by the Bush sociopaths. Cause that is what sociopaths do. They have a set of rules you have to follow and a different set of rules for their own asses. Trust me - get over the denial that (insert unproven conspiracy here). And move on.

Tis fine to say there is something funny between the Saudi & the Bush family because that is obvious. Tis fine to say that Bush is evil because he is. Tis fine to say he is a tool of corporations because he is. Tis fien to say so many things about these awful people - you do not need to make up facts (diebold were used to steal the election, 9/11 was a neocon plan).

Stick to what you know. With propaganda it is hard. But you gotta stick to the facts. And when you go off on a tangent - do not share it as anything other than a tangent.

Be real.

This Republican crew won the election. Cry - it is terrible. But get out of the denial phase. No angel will come along and shake her little wand and say: "here is a picture of Rove programming the voting machines". The election is over and it happened the way everyone other than conspiracy theorists say it did.

So stop trying to make it true by linking to conspiracy sites. Those are not facts either!!

You are hurting people with your denial!!

[Old and In the Way]

36. Yeah, right.

What site did you cut and paste that from? Little Green Apples?

Tis fine for you to act deludedly self-righteous, too.

[applegrove]

41. No I have actually been exploited by a sociopath before.

Sorry if I jumped but that is what happens at lots of other sites when you post unproven conspiracy theories or try and intertwine them with reasonable ideas. And as often as not - the ones stirring the pot of conspiracy theories are freepers! What does that tell ya!

No I have actually been exploited by a sociopath before. My initial reaction was to say - naw - it didn't really happen. This cannot be true.

It did really happen and it is a really bad thing. Get out of the stage of denial (stop it with the conspiracy theories about the election being turned around) and get with the reality (yes - mob behaviour, cult behaviour, sociopaths & sociopathic tools being used and lauded by the neocons, etc. etc.).

So actually my life experience (and lots of it) says - get with the program and quit thinking you can switch things all back to the happy world you had before - if you just stick to the hope. The election is over.

You are in for a long and bumpy ride and the sooner you accept the abject power these monkies have because they got re-elected the better off you will be. You can then asses if it is simply too much for you to deal with or if it is something you will fight. But you gotta move out of denial first.

But you gotta stick to the plan to get over the loss and start accepting the facts in front of you (and not spreading your denial around because getting through the loss is important for everyone).

I got my information on grief from any site that deals with grief and the stages. Denial is step one of shock or grief. Don't be baited into living in phase one. You have to move on and so do all your friends.

That is why I take it personal. There are bad enough stuff going on with the creeps without making 'dream sequences' an acceptable part of the discussion.

Drop the unproven dreams (or at least call them dreams of “in my worst fears”). And then discuss important stuff like the ‘cult mentality’ or ‘propaganda’. But keep it real!

Just the facts Jack.

[Old and In the Way]

44. Considering election fraud occurred in 2000, 2002, and 2004

I think it's way past time we stop sticking our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

I really don't feel like getting into a long winded debate with you. Because I know it's a waste of time. If you wish to get educated on election fraud, start reading the documentation in the forums in this site.

Here's a little tidbit for you......in all states where there were paper ballots, the exit polls were within the MOE with the actual results. In states that had E-voting and no paper trial, all that skewed outside the MOE, all favored Bush.

But you keep being the good Democrat that takes the Republican corporate media at their word about the elections...because they really have your best interests at heart. Or, maybe, you really aren't an Alan Colmes type Democrat at all.

[FreedomAngel82]

141. I agree with you

It's like what happened in 2002 with Georgia. For years they had Roy Barnes and then in 2002 they got some new republican guy. Coincidence? I don't think so. Here in Tennessee we use paper ballots and in the final result it was Kerry 57% and Bush 43% which seems pretty well and in 2000 Bush only won Tennessee by four percent. And if you go to votecobb.org you can see all his video evidance. Especially of the voting irregularities one.

[blondeatlast]

68. Friend, John O'Neill's Memory has earned some serious respect on DU.

He hasn't even been here that long, but he's very thoughtful, intelligent, and he knows his stuff inside and out.

Before you attack a respected DUer, I suggest you earn some cred yourself. I'm not saying that a low post count means anything, I'm only saying that you don't yet have the cred to go on the attack and survive.

Think before you spout off. I learned the hard way myself.

[calimary]

158. Amen! JohnOneillsMemory is a true patriot and poster of some seriously

FINE wisdom (and links).

Check this one out, for example:


CIA Textbook on Psychological Operations In Guerrilla Warfare

http://www.tscm.com/CIA_PsyOps_Handbook.html

[IdaBriggs]

93. You obviously have no clue as to what actually happened.

Straight party Democratic votes counted as Libertarian in Indiana. Straight party Democratic votes not counted AT ALL in New York. 120,000 votes "flipped" in Florida. 40,000 voters watching their "Kerry" votes flip to "Bush" on touch screens with no paper trail. 398 to 2 -- that's the ratio of FAVORED REPUBLICANS vs FAVORED DEMOCRATS (and both the reported incidents of "favoring DEMS" were in Texas where "rebellious Repubs" discovered they couldn't vote for themselves. And on and on the list goes. In the meantime, until you actually INVESTIGATE, I'd personally appreciate it if you would quit acting like the folks who are actually INFORMED about the issue are idiots.

[Chelsea Patriot]

122. Smell The Fear!

[FreedomAngel82]

136. Who said anything about conspericy theories?

It's hard facts. I bet you believe they won in 2000 too right? :eyes:
Why don't you go to cspan.org and type in Cliff Arnebeck and watch his interview on the White House Journal. And he isn't a hard core "whining" democrat either. In 2000 he endorsed John McCain and in 2004 he endorsed John Kerry. You have to remember this thing is bigger then WaterGate (as John Dean said) so it could take years to uncover. Look how long it took to uncover Watergate.

[meganmonkey]

174. How about conservative writer Christopher Hitchens...is he in denial?

Or dealing poorly with his grief?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x321721

Some shady business happened in Ohio and several other states this past election.

Just the facts, Jack.

[frictionlessO]

67. you are so wrong its not even funny, go do your homework in ER&D

All the research and activism there should take at least a couple of weeks to read through.

If you are still positive that every vote counted and there were no wrongdoings in OH or any other battleground state then please tell me and the other hundred or so posters in ER&D how you came to that conclusion.

[Stephanie]

82. Spare me

People like you are always coming around trying to tell us what we should or should not say. Using terms like "conspiracy theory" is a dead giveaway. We're not buying what you're selling. We've heard it all before. If you don't like the information available at DU then you should look for another website more to your taste. We will not change our discussion for you, and we know exactly why you would like us to. Forget about it.

[IdaBriggs]

88. Two months investigating proved to me they DIDN'T win.

Where do you get YOUR sources?

[yardwork]

157. The election fraud is real and provable

Sure, there are wacko conspiracy theories that muddy issues, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by dismissing all the evidence of voter fraud in 2000, 2002, and 2004.

[smiley]

169. sounds like your in denial applegrove...

the term conspiracy theory gets a bad wrap.... especially when all of the coincidences tend to line up. But you are right about one thing - the election did happen - but that doesn't mean it happened the way the media tells us it did.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

29. Yup. Go back and read my response to your 'denial' nonsense...n/t

[applegrove]

34. Just drop the election stuff - it is over.

Just drop the election stuff - it is over. The cult stuff is great. The 'we have a propaganda stuff is great'. But some people need to move on and out of denial. So we can live to fight another day.

This is serious. You can do damage if you keep with the links to conspiracy sites. You do want people who lost in this election and have to heal to heal - don't you?

Just back off with the stuff that has not been proven despite vast amounts of buzz and resources put in that direction.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

38. We have the same technical scam coming in the future. So it's not over.

That's the point about the technical shenanigans. It will be used until it's stopped.

Pretending it isn't an obstacle is like denying the polar ice caps are melting and disappearing right before our eyes.

Any hope of achieving democracy and getting back the Bill of Rights and the Constitution depends on votes actually counting.

And don't try to put the 'bad jacket' on me as a freeper. My info is good and has been for a couple of years. Only newbies and the misinformed think electronic voting is trustworthy. Many of us have known about this since 2001.

[FreedomAngel82]

147. Whoever does believe in

electronic voting also believes Bush is a real cowboy. Hahaha! Whatever happened to his southern "accent" by the way? Listen to him speak and then listen to Laura. Soooo different. Strange. I guess since this is his final term he doesn't need to pretend anymore. :eyes:

[EST]

40. Uh, you are not in possession of enough of the facts.

The election was, as in 2000, stolen. Fraud, intimidation, etc. You will get a far wider appreciation of what you say by noting that what the vipers did was so effective that they managed to get the election close enough to steal!

Most of the stuff dug up and reported here on DU is true, even most of the tin foil hat goings on. Actually, in many cases, the cult and conspiracy theorists did not go far enough.
Your point is well taken-rehashing the details is only effective in bringing the noob up to speed and serving as a cautionary tale for the rest of us-action, unrelenting action, not to cut off the head that will cause two more to grow, but rooting out and killing the hydra, totally destroying the cancer, is the only acceptable path.

Probably it is not effective to undermine your own credibility by insisting that the things we busted our asses to penetrate and the experiences we (collectively) endured are fiction or simply rantings. If the fierceness of the challenges that face us could be abated long enough to have all the responsible powers go after proving the fraud, Ohio could be re-threaded and flipped. The time constraints, along with the skillful strategies of the neocon psychopaths, simply do not allow.
BBV, alone, presented enough evidence that integrity demands a totally new election, but if we had that integrity, a rerun of the election would not be required.

[applegrove]

43. See I agree that electoral reform has to take place - but be carefull

See I agree that electoral reform has to take place - but be careful of what you allow on the board in terms of accepted wisdom.

On other sites the 'freepers' are stirring the 'conspiracy pot' as only a bunch of sociopaths or their patsies would willingly hurt people into locking themselves into stage one of grief - and do so knowingly.

But three months later - to be harping that the election was so stolen by machines that it will be overturned is fiction. And such fiction should be getting lost by the wayside at this point as other issues that can be proven like : computer voting machines do not give appropriate records for recounts, or voter intimidation (psychological in nature) should be punishable by 5 years in jail, backward and forward linkages set up in the software of voting machines are completely unacceptable though perhaps the norm in software creation in other industries, reworking electoral boundaries to abet the election of one party over the other is a crime and must be disallowed and penalized, on and on and on. You can say so much about those elections that there is proof of.

Just pleassssssssssse drop the unproven things. You know what they are. You are in a scary world and just like a victim of a crime - you need to concentrate on "just the facts - man". It is time to be getting very judicious. So that the weak and the hurt are not exploited by freepers who are paid to keep conspiracies alive and will end up hurting the mental health on not a few Liberals.

We gotta be on the same page where reality is concerned. And we have to pat each other on the back and chew each other out - when we step out of line and fall into traps (traps not of our own making perhaps).

We are a community on these bulletin boards and it is our job to see that the weak among us are not away to be used.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

46. I don't think the 'election' will be overturned. I don't want more stolen.

Yes, the curse of the electric fence to thought called 'conspiracy theory' is being vigorously put up to chill people and make them cautious about saying anything about what is happening to this country and how it is being done.

But sticking to one's guns intellectually is critical to surviving. The line in the sand of where credibility runs out is different for everyone and, like a football, must be advanced down the field towards understanding with a solid team of facts clearing the blockers of ignorance and disbelief.

Sorry, I hate sports analogies but it seemed fitting after the Super Bowl.

"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four.
If that is granted, all else follows."
-George Orwell in 1984

[applegrove]

48. Please be careful. You gotta go with the facts.

Please be careful. You gotta go with the facts. Just the facts.

Even if the trickiest crime did take place - if you could never prove it (cause there are no facts) - it would just be used against you.

So stick with the facts. Just what you know to be true. And use qualifying phrases that make your information more specific like : "in my worst fears" "I worry that" "if I follow this tangent". Stuff to keep the unproven things on the ground by qualifying them as unproven.

I swear there are 'freepers' who run around and stir the pot and gravely hurt more vulnerable Liberals in the process (and get paid $20 a hour to do it - or whatever the hourly cost of a soul is these days).

So I will jump on whatever is said that has not been proven. If it is tossed out there like it is an actual fact.

For the kids!! for the health of the Kids out there who are young and have never been exploited like a hooker on meth. The need to go through a grief process or two and not be toyed with.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

60. you swear?

" get paid $20 a hour to do it - or whatever the hourly cost of a soul is these days"

is this just your belief? or do you have any "facts" about this?

[Stephanie]

89. "$20 a hour" is the going rate for freepers to post garbage here?

How do you know?


This is hilarious! >

For the kids!! for the health of the Kids out there who are young and have never been exploited like a hooker on meth. The need to go through a grief process or two and not be toyed with.

[CottonBear]

156. Bad grammar, punctuation and spelling

give them away every time.

[Chelsea Patriot]

127. "Exploited like a hooker on Meth"...Oh, Mary, How Camp!.

[brainshrub]

144. I can get $20 an hour to post stuff!

:O

Were do I sign up?

[blondeatlast]

71. This argument is what you should have posted first. I don't buy into

all the election fraud stuff, either, but I know who's research I'll trust, and JONM's is one of them

A reasoned argument goes a long way further than a one line attack.

[RaleighNCDUer]

90. You are the only one saying that the election could be overturned.

We all know that even if massive fraud was incontrovertibly proved, the means for taking action would reside in the Republican controlled House and Senate, or in the Republican controlled Supreme Court. They would CYA, throw a few loose cannons to the wolves, like Gannon, and go on about their business.

The point for proving the fraud is to keep it from happening next time. Outlaw vote machines with proprietary software that are owned and controlled by partisan companies. Clarify the conflict of interest in partisan party operatives controlling the counting of the votes while they serve as both Secretary of State and ranking party member.

We aren't dwelling on a past defeat -- we are focussing on future fraud.

[FreedomAngel82]

148. If you don't like it

why do you read it? :eyes: You know you can avoid things, right?

[EST]

229. We must NEVER forget-as happened in 2000

The impetus to produce change just sort of died away in the "get over it" mentality. Change only comes when someone is thoroughly pissed, or scared.
I am all for whatever it takes to keep that awful fraud continually in the public eye. If we are willing to quit bitching and whining just because some freepers make fun or spread maliciousness, nothing of importance will happen-again.

[Stephanie]

85. translation: Sit Down, Shut Up, Move On

You are preaching to the wrong choir, pal. Take your agenda elsewhere.

[Bridget Burke]

103. The "Cautious Newcomer" syndrome....noted before.

Somebody joins for the sole purpose of telling us certain topics must not be discussed.

I've always considered it an indication that we're getting hot.

[Stephanie]

104. Yup! "Be careful!"

"Watch what you say!" Yikes, I'm fwightened...

I love the new detail though that freepers are paid $20 an hour to post here! LOL! Where do I apply???

[Chelsea Patriot]

129. $20! And you don't have to make grammatic sense, spell, punctuate,

or capitalize correctly.

[ClintonTyree]

175. RimJob isn't paying anybody anything...............

he takes the freeps money and never puts a dime back into that horribly formated POS web site of his. And the stupid freeps just eat it up and never demand to know where the money is going. They're programmed to "not ask any questions" since birth. RimJob is fleecing his flock and they're too dumb to question it. They do what they're told and never deviate from or question the talking points.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

118. Another tactic: 'putting the Bad Jacket on' someone with the facts.

I read about this in letters within the American Indian Movement. Some of their activists got targeted for discrediting with accusations that they were FBI infiltrators. The accusations came from the REAL FBI infiltrators, of course.

Sowing internal distrust is a COINTELPRO tactic and I expect to see it more and more at this website because it is a threat to the propaganda matrix.

We're all going to have to try to stick with debating with info and not accusations because of this. That's why I'm cutting and pasting a database with the dots connected to get the bigger picture and not stay stuck haggling over isolated events.

The last few months have been a 'EUREKA!'-moment for me and I'm going to keep the topic of psy-ops up front because that is what holds this whole nation together for the neocons to exploit.

I expect to catch a lot of hell for it, too. Bookmark this thread and this prediction.

[yardwork]

159. We know that the republicans have been doing that - see Parlock

DUers proved that a man named Parlock deliberately posed as a "victim" of "mean liberals" during a Kerry-Edwards rally in West Virginia. Research revealed that he had done the same thing on numerous other occasions, always at Democratic rallies, always using his children to stage fake attacks by "liberals" and "Union thugs."

Parlock, probably not coincidentally, is also an extreme right-wing Christian. (I mean no disrespect to Christians. My point is that he is part of the right-wing Christian movement that idolizes W.) There are thousands of Parlocks out there and on the internet. Gannon is a Parlock.

[calimary]

164. To your "Eureka" I add - "Bravo!"

Where can we find your database? I think it'd be a worthwhile archive for here, if indeed it isn't already.

Great job!

Folks, you ignore these insights at your peril.

on edit -

Oh, Lordy, just remembered post 19 here. D'OH! If this is that database, I've just made myself a copy. Too long to forage through now, but I'm saving it for when I can. Thanks again! Great Public Service!

[go west young man]

87. Hey I'm brand new to the site but I love the stuff he has archived here...

do you even know who John O'Neill was? All of that stuff is great info and if he hadn't posted it I may never have learned it. So to John O'Neill Memory. Thanks! How about these conspiracy theorists? Katherine Gunn or Rachel Corrie? Do you know who these true patriots are?

[fudge stripe cookays]

100. Make me.

You have absolutely no clout here to be telling people what to think and what to say.

And it HAS been proven. Just not conclusively enough for you.

FSC

[FreedomAngel82]

145. You think you're going to make people move on?

This so-called election was stolen bud. It's all there. Look at all that happened and all they tried to do. In Ohio in more democratic leaning areas they used only three machines while the republican areas had five. They had "malfuncions" and machines closed down etc. Again, go to votecobb.org and look at all his information. Mr. Cobb is the green party nominee. Why would he be working on this if he doesn't have any chance in anything? Because he knows what happened.

[SomewhereOutThere424]

162. What's more dangerous than conspiracies...

I was going to post this elsewhere, more an opinion column, but this is a good example of what I wanted to say there. BTW, I've come to realize that my name is probably close to another DUer's in which I apologize (the name was meant as an anon name as I didn't plan to post/read on these things often and I use 42 a lot in things naturally).

Your attitude may not be that of a republican's or democrats, but it is dangerous. Discrediting, frauding, is dangerous. It is dangerous because what is more under attack than our democracy is our capacity for outrage. The more and more atrocities occur, the more we lose our will to be angry and shift into easily controllable depression.

So what if the elections are over? I don't love john kerry after his quick concession but that doesn't mean I can't be outraged when an obvious evil has occurred. I read only one piece of fact, that in both 2000 and 2004 elections a county in Florida had 80 thousand more votes than voters. That was all I needed to know something was wrong, and that number is far too great for a mechanical error.

What is under attack more than our imagination, our ability to conceive odd and dubious plans that the republicans are trying to hurt democrats (conspiracies); is the notion of standing up for said imagination, be it false or true. It is being painted as ludicrous. Galileo was persecuted in the same way by the catholic church, and I'm sure MANY catholics sat there and told him 'give it up, the sun revolves around the earth'. Columbus had many telling him to 'shift to reality' and believe the world is flat, also to be weary of his crew being devoured by the (obviously hideous) sea monsters living in the directly disproportional area of the world. The obvious sea monsters we live through in this day and age are those of which the republican party want others to believe environmental defenders and 'filthy liberals' will cause by shifting attention away from their meaningless war. In this case, peace is our round earth and the war is the flat.

You know, I think there's a lot of good facts in that post. Maybe the election wasn't evilly rigged, moreso I'm willing to believe at this point that our administration may not be liars or evil so much as they are /completely ignorant/ and raised in such a suffocated christian standard they too believe in this 'flat' earth and adamantly stand by it.

I doubt it though, and not you or I or anyone should have the right to say what happened without the evidence that is, for moral or immoral gain, being quickly erased from the face of the earth.

Exxon is going about making scientists feel like fools for supporting the environment. A member of ronald reagan's cabinet made the senate feel like fools for believing that 'the preservation of the environment is not as important as the eminent return of jesus christ'. Now there are the groups making people going against the system feeling like fools for trying.

Our country was based and founded on many small battles, like one where we kept the british elite navy with one of their top commanders from taking a town with just the aid of the french cavalry and a few single farm hands. Our country is based on fighting the odds and winning, and just because it looks hopeless has never been the reason george washington or any of our forefathers had given up. They never gave up and they won, regardless of how secular or ludicrous their reasons may have seemed to the british for wanting to have their own country of freedom.

I think we owe it to those who died for our country as well as those who continue to die for our country to try to find the truth instead of laying low and living as doormats because the republican party will use our own search for the truth in its imagination and its distance from said truth against us.

People, ignore the attacks at your own suspicions. When it comes to politics, never assume and always trust your suspicions, think with your own mind and never define definite until the very last moment. What is being attacked before our democracy is our ability to defend it; never allow opinions, no matter how educated they may sound, to make your capacity to be outraged at misdeeds suffer.

[ClintonTyree]

180. Well spoken..................errrrrr.....written!

And welcome to DU. :hi: We need all the help we can get to regain our Country's soul. Welcome aboard!

[wellstone dem]

204. Great post

post more often, we need your insight, welcome to DU

[Cell Whitman]

209. Pounding a lot of nails on the head there

thanks for the post. After the mods take your training wheels off, you should start a thread with your thoughts on this...

thanks...

[applegrove]

230. See I agree with this post. The truth is what matters most. And

See I agree with this post. The truth is what matters most. And follow your suspicions but "don't define definite" until the last moment.

There is so much wrong with the propaganda machine - that we cannot get mired in denial (that things are going to magically change back). We have to fight for it and take it. In the next elections.

[Bouncy Ball]

187. Exactly what kind of damage could he do with his words?

What are you AFRAID OF applegrove? Huh?

[applegrove]

189. Stage one of Loss is denial. It is easier if you have been exploited

Stage one of Loss and/or Grief is denial. It is easier if you have been exploited (say an election that was mind numbingly important to you was lost to some nepharious characters and your country was about be rotted from the inside out) to come up with a really simple daydream that will fix the problem so you will not have to deal with loss.

You have nepharious characters in the White House again -well you just believe that a voting machine was rigged and you can then imagine that some technician will open the dam thing and go "Eureka! - here is proof". Then you imagine that this wonderful 'magic proof' will go to the police. Who will then go the the DA and say - you have to impeach the president. And so the President gets booted out of office. And this little denial that you actually have to live with Bush having won an election (using the tools of sociopaths) and the possibility that it could happen again (Rove moves over to Jeb or some Republican nut) does nothing to help you out - it just puts off the inevitable loss and anger and depression you have to go through.

The grief at loosing your country to some monsters is terrible. But as healthy human beings we need to get from the first stage of grief (denial) to the last stage (acceptance). And once you have accepted that George Bush and his monsters are in power - then you may really be ready to dig deep and fight, or perhaps what is best for you would be to love your family and concentrate on that. Either choice is acceptable. Most decisions made after you reach acceptance are well thought out. Your emotional torture has delivered you back to the rational world (world filled with fewer emotions than when you were in shock, agony, denial, anger phase, depressions, etc. etc.). And then you can be more productive, less of a victim, a help to those around you, not leading anyone down the garden path, able to fight the horror that actually is in your life (if you are a victim of a crime or a victim of "Bush world" - pretending that the world is exactly the same as it was is dangerously sticking your head in the sand).

By being vague (which I am the queen of) or by being happy in denial (that the election will somehow & magically be overturned when the proof comes in) you may be stuck in the denial phase. Or you may be fine. Or you may encourage someone else to stay stuck in the denial phase. Where it could become permanent (the wound).

So it is always better when grieving - to let people go at different paces and to encourage the movement from one phase to the next (don't suppress someone's anger, don't encourage denial).

So I say - qualify your statements. Say "today I imagine the election overturned because I need to" or something. Because the danger isn't in a funny acting machine, the danger is actually in the smoke and mirrors that make this White House team capable of winning elections they should not have won if Americans were thinking rationally. And they could do it again and again if they use Rove. So to focus on a diebold machine that will 'magically' make Bush & Co. all go away is not a healthy thing to do. To use the election peculiarities that are accepted (voter intimidation) as proof that electoral reform is one of the most important things on the agenda - is rational and smart. And make your argument for electoral reform on the basis of these known rogue electoral behaviors and do not base them on 'unknown' theories.

The monsters in the White House may be even ten times worse than your worst nightmare. But look at it from the vantage point of someone who has done all the work of grieving and come out the other side - and is less dependant on theories to make then feel better and more interested in actual action.

[Old and In the Way]

197. You crack me up.

Do you believe your own bullshit?

[applegrove]

211. I take it you think this election didn't hurt anybody - or push them

I take it you think this election didn't hurt anybody - or push them beyond what they can handle. That it is time that we should be dropping the 'dreams' and focussing on the task at hand - as a group.

[Old and In the Way]

213. I have no idea where you could conclude anything of the sort

from my responses. Not only is your reasoning flawed, but your analysis is faulty, too. Go read TIA's analysis of the election fraud. When you come to grips with reality, then we'll have a discussion about the future.

[nickgutierrez]

200. Nobody is talking about getting THIS election overturned.

This process is about getting future elections straightened out. You can't deny that there was, at the VERY least, some 'funny business' in the 2004 elections, and what we want to do is to prevent this from happening again.

[applegrove]

210. Well that is all I ask - that we move on and not bury heads deep

Well that is all I ask - that we move on and not bury heads deep in the sand of "oh - and Kerry actually won and any minute now it will be proven".

[earth mom]

35. Thanks for the info...I'm glad you posted it twice...it's well worth

getting out there for more people to see.

Do you have a link for the other thread? TIA

[JohnOneillsMemory]

39. Here ya go. "Please stop alienating all Republicans" is the topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1578928

[itzamirakul]

51. Thanks loads for the post and the great links...

I hadn't seen this posted elsewhere and also I don't have time to go searching for it so this post is valuable to me. I have copied it for reference. Please ignore posters who ask you not to post info as important as this is, twice.

Also, wonder if it might not be valuable information for Demopedia?

[FreedomAngel82]

135. Greg Palast

Hit the nail in the coffin when he told the story of Mary Mapes and why she got fired from CBS. He was saying how Mapes was fired and set up because she would be the only one in the media who would talk about election fraud and of course they couldn't have that. So they planted the fake documents and they ran on it. Sadly though because of the media's love for the Bush family they had the big fiasco even though anybody who knows anything about the Bush family would know this simple story of Bush and being AWOL. It's so pathetic how Bush and their media whore planters do the same thing nobody says anything (unless it's someone who knows) and then when someone like Rather does tell the truth about a story they're seen as "the enemy." Stuff like that really burns me up. :grr:

[applegrove]

186. I objected to the characterization that Kerry won this last election

I objected to the characterization that Kerry won this last election on another thread. On this thread I objected to the same post going up again (a few minutes later). We all have our themes and are repetitive - so I apologize for objecting here. My objection at the repetition has since been erased by a moderator.

But do take umbrage when it is stated as factual information that Kerry won this past election. That is all I objected to and I object to passing off a theory as fact when the evidence is not in - I object to it as dangerous and unhealthy to be passing it around and not qualifying it. I tried to give context to 'conspiracy theory' and explain that at times there was horrid manipulation and that one had to be judicious about what you jumped on and how you explained things. The give context to your discussions.

That said - I do not object to being told to keep my rules to myself until I developed some history on this site. That sounds like a good idea to me.

And anyone who thinks that Republican money does not find its way into the lives of freepers (be it salary, donations to the church, job availability, etc. etc.) is very naive. Why Novak's son has gotten great jobs from connected types. It is how the whole Cabal works - with the proper behavior comes privilege (even if that privilege includes not having your family targeted or not having your worst fears realized, not loosing your career). Not paying taxes alone is a windfall to a freeper. "$20 an hour if that is the going rental of a soul" speaks to the huge salaries that CEOs and their underlings make these days and the resulting corporate skewing of the corporate citizen. Enough money will bend a piece of steel. So will big tax breaks and a pat on the back saying 'one' deserves much more of your money back.

[Zero Division]

23. Ugh. Few things grate worse than false claims of victimization.

Another trait of the worst kind of wingnut, the ones that react to being caught doing something wrong by acting like a 3 y.o. who throws themself on the ground, shouting and screaming at those who caught them in the act.

[skrunch]

24. Jeffrey, We Hardly Knew Ye

Somebody should let Bob Boudelang know there's an opening at Talon News.

[blondeatlast]

72. I think Bob's gonna need some plastic surgery and dental work first.

Looks appear to be a requirement... :evilgrin:

[ClarkUSA]

27. Jeff Gannon is a Freeper

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3077330

[FrenchieCat]

28. Bye, you fool!

Hope never to have to hear your dumbass questions.

[CTyankee]

69. I'd love to believe it but

the RW would pull some outrageous stunt on Clark if he got too close to being a viable Democratic candidate, just like they did with John Kerry. You know, something akin to the Purple Heart bandaids and the CBS memo (right out of the Rove playbook, that). I was an early supporter of Clark but thought he was awkward on the stump on domestic matters. Maybe he will improve on that, and I hope so because he is so likeable. Or maybe the repugs will finally get their comeuppance (I hope to see the day!).

[FrenchieCat]

132. I'm not sure what your comment has to do with this thread....

But if you read my comments on this here thread, I think that I answer your "what ifs"....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1575739

[FreedomAngel82]

150. Speaking of Clark

I know it has nothing to do with the thread but wanted to reply to this. Someone on a board I used to go on was telling me how in the primaries the republicans were already getting on Clark like they did with Kerry. So he'd have a lot of work to do to keep them from slaming him ( :( ). Sorry but I just wanted to post about this.

[FrenchieCat]

155. I will just provide you with a post from that thread that I requested...

Should be read. And yes, this really is off topic. But since It wasn't my doing, here we go....

Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-09-05 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #122

211. The Difference Is
Clark is excellent on the offensive. He always was, even early in his campaign when he was still getting the hang of the politics game. Except Clark almost never went on the offensive against other Democratic Candidates. That was an intentional stance that he took. However he always went after Bush and company forcefully, and effectively. That is why Kerry used Clark so prominently as a surrogate.

Kerry unfortunately played on defense much of the campaign, especially before the end. One could say that is because the Republicans were always attacking him, but I don't. That is what Republicans always do. In sports there are defensive and offensive oriented strategies. A team that plays an opponent with a strong offense can attempt to strengthen it's defense or it can go on the offensive itself. Clark is a master at the latter.

As to the emphasis some of us Clark supporters place on Clark's credentials, the point really is that because he has them Clark is more free to emphasize other issues in a race against the Republicans than almost any other Democrat can be. Clark doesn't have to prove that he isn't anti military. Clark doesn't have to convince the public that he understands it is a dangerous world out there. Clark doesn't have to repeatedly grandstand that he will never let America's enemies catch us unprepared. He already devoted his adult life to protecting America. It is a decided point, that question is off the table. That is why we point to Clark's credentials now. It is most relevant to do so while appraising the possible Democratic field of candidates, which is what we Democrats will need to do. Clark has a strategic competitive asset that most Democrats can't come close to.

Of course Clark has positions on a range of domestic concerns. His 2004 campaign website still has them all archived. They are detailed and they are excellent. And of course as 2008 slowly approaches Clark will speak out increasingly on them again. If he made a speech on them now no one would cover it. The most the media will do now is quote a few lines from John Edward's new revamped stump speech that he just gave in New Hampshire, but they only do that because they are fascinated in the phenomena of the "Two America's Speech" that they previously covered so extensively. The media reported on the style, not substance, of Edward's speech.

I am sure Clark discussed issues when he addressed Congressional Democrats. And we will be discussing issues here regarding our candidates as 2006 gets closer.

[pamela]

31. "the welfare of me..."

Lol!

[Old and In the Way]

37. A real wordsmith, eh?

Written like a FreeRepublican....

[EST]

42. OFF the tea party!

Not a judas goat am I, but simply cutting off the hydra's head, producing two more is no victory. We gotta dig these fuc**rs out, root and branch, and destroy every last vestige of their rotten heritage, including their worshippers.

One celebratory glass and back to the real war.

[Hissyspit]

45. Similar Thread in General Discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3077466&mesg_id=3077466

Also, for background, in Latest Breaking News:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1205794&mesg_id=1205794

[Bark Bark Bark]

49. My apologies

This thread was first; I missed it when I popped mine up. Sorry...

[Stephanie]

92. Not a problem - there is room for more than one thread on this

It's such a hoot!

[Hissyspit]

120. Your Thread Was Great, Too, Bark...

Moderators can combine them if they want. I just wanted to make sure everyone saw all the unique info in both. :-)

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

52. So this was a confession, right?

Anybody who works in the private sector (like an independent journalist) is not in "public life," so his comment that he has "decided to return to private life" indicates that he was on the public payroll.

[Karenina]

53. Good catch!

:evilgrin:

[Darth_Kitten]

54. Just........hold me.

:hug: :(

:evilgrin:

[rodeodance]

58. a bug in the woodwork does more damage many times than when

crawling around in the sunshine!!

[DemDogs]

59. And now the watch for his replacement

Shouldn't be hard to pick the replacement out if the questions sound anything like Gannon's.

[mdhunter]

61. "Me and my family"

Ten bucks says that was his conservative brainwashing kicking in - the man doesn't have family.

[IndyPriest]

75. Maybe he does! There's the Addams family, the Manson family...! n/t

[blondeatlast]

62. What a day-brightener!

Perhaps we heard Gannon and Ken Mehlman too often in the same sentence lately...

:evilgrin:

[Jayster84]

70. There's probably more there.

This is a amputation to keep the infected limb from killing the body. Keep digging.

[tavalon]

223. Exactly my thought!

The grotesque body in question being the unholy trinity of Rove, Cheney, and the puppet.

[Roland99]

74. Suh-Weet!! Keep shining the lights on them and they'll scatter!

[Gman]

78. He can't do that!!!

He vowed to be the #1 Conservative Idiot! He sure folded real fast.

[Hobarticus]

81. What a snivelling coward...

Can't take the heat and got out out ofthe kitchen.

[ET Awful]

83. Does this mean he gets his wish and makes No.1 on the

conservative idiots list next week? :) :) :)

[Demrock6]

86. If he was gay, why support freepers?

I have decided blogs rule!

[noamnety]

97. Because moral values are for those OTHER people

Same reason the fundies have abortions and get divorced. They are a lot more interested in dictating how other people should live than they are in following their own proclaimed moral codes.

It's the Dr. Phil syndrome. Why should I diet when I can get rich telling you how to diet?

[Hissyspit]

119. "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" ...nothing new n/t

[yardwork]

163. I think a lot of freepers are sexually repressed

Some of them probably are gay, but they can't accept it, so they turn violent and extremist against people who are openly gay. They are self-loathers who are jealous of people who can accept their own sexuality. There's a lot of complicated pathology apparent on FR.

Other freepers and right-wing politicians are openly gay in their private lives but don't mind using the gay issue as a wedge issue to get others riled up. They have no compunction about lying. Word is that the underground sex scene in D.C. is not to be believed. Freepers aren't happy, normal people with committed partners and long-term relationships, gay, straight, whatever. A lot of freepers are sexual predators, imo. Power and control mean everything to them, with resulting pathological impact on their sexual lives.

I wish we could rip the cover off the lies and hypocrisy that allow people to demonize others for their sexual identity, when they themselves are just plain sickos in their secret lives.

[tgnyc]

84. If a real "reporter" in the WH corps asks Scottie Mac

about it, he'll probably call on Gannon for relief, out of habit, or, you know, like one of those "phantom limbs" people who just lost their arms or legs always talk about.

[Liberty Belle]

91. He gives new meaning to the term "media whore."

What a story--the RNC "moral values" party hired a gay porno pimp to serve as its own media whore!

What a wonderful framing issue they've given the Dems. Please send this info to the MSM. I'll bet Keith Olbermann would cover it! Be sure to include the pics, too. See www.dailykos.com and www.rawstory.com for the juicy details.

[Ganja Ninja]

102. It appears he's a jack of all trades when it comes to whoring.

Some people just seem to gravitate toward being a low life. A regular job just doesn't suit their skanky personality. I suspect this guy will go on to some other scam lifestyle like used car salesman or whatever.

[Liberty Belle]

137. or a Jill. ;-)

[janetle]

110. And according to the WH, Helen Thomas is a bad person??...

And this WH plants and probably pays this Gannon--not even his real name----??

I am seriously shocked. Honest hardworking red state Americans have got to be told about this.

And you liberty belle put it into one great sentence--just what we need for a media frenzy to expose to the real folks of this country what these Bush people are all about. I'd love to find Karl Rove tied up in this stuff.

[Liberty Belle]

139. Rove tied up...Hmm. Have you checked bondage sites?

I wonder how many righties are "clients" of Jeff Gannon.

[Brooklyn Michael]

94. BWAH HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Jeff Gannon: Buns of Steel, Spine of Jell-o

:spank:

[Stockholm]

95. Must be a tough day for the rw-nuts

First Jeff Gannon and then Joseph Steffen!

A certain website should be proud of it´s members!! LOL

[Riding this Donkey]

98. Who is Joseph Steffen?? n/t

[No Exit]

112. He is a freeper whose posting name was NCPAC and he

worked for the repukelican governor of Maryland. He sought to damage the future gubernatorial campaign of a (democrat) Maryland mayor named O'Malley. Steffen did his damage by starting false rumors on freerepublic, saying or implying that O'Malley was cheating on his wife.

O'Malley stood up to it and the result was the the repukelican governor fired Steffen. Now Steffen can get a job in Karl Rove's office, which is obviously his true home anyway.

[Politicub]

96. This adds even more fuel to the fire

Why did he cave? Are we finding out too much? Was the male escort revelation too much?

[sjr5740]

105. Maybe that gets him to number 1 conservative idiot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3068414

Wonder what skeletons he has in his closet which are about to be discovered???

[katinmn]

106. Excellent!!!! We need to oust ALL of the propaganda tools

Big job.

But this is a good start. :)

[Book Lover]

107. Cry me a river, buddy

Damn, it does get hot in the kitchen!

[dpbrown]

109. HAHAHAHAHAHA...the escort business must be booming!

Go, Jeffy, go!

[No Exit]

111. Awww... he won't be Junior's man date anymore!

"The voice goes silent". Attention: Drama Queen Awards Committee!

[The Doctor.]

113. I haven't been following closely enough...

What sort of things has he done?

(I missed the issue)

{OE} - oh yeah, now I remember, the softball guy..

[Hissyspit]

121. Lots of background on Gannon/Talon News in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Also, go to dailykos.com

[Roland99]

138. Bad link

[Hissyspit]

161. Here's the LINK again: background disc on Jeff Gannon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1205794&mesg_id=1205794

[demwing]

114. But Jeff, How Can You Become The #1 Idiot?

I thought you were going to try harder, but you've just let us all down and quit instead?

What kind of an idiot are you? Certainly not the #1 kind.

How sad, still an idiot, but now--and forever more--condemned to second rate status. You may even get downgraded to "Moran."

I hope it was worth it.

Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days...

[tavalon]

224. But you are loyal, Jeffy

I'm sure you will be rewarded for taking the fall and removing the heat from KKKarl. OTOH, these people play for keeps so if we keep prying, they may have to silence you further. I'm sorry, but you signed the contract with your own blood, remember?

[Oreo]

115. Search on freepers shows all of Gannon's posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=113711

Save now... for future reference. Be sure to click on Show more posts at the bottom. I just saved 5 pages worth of his posts. You have to click on each post to get the entire post's text. Anybody up to it? It may be worth it in the future?

Dig away!

Here's my favorite: Gannon on McClellan (not literally!)

18 posted on 05/26/2004 1:58:05 PM PDT by Jeff Gannon (Listen to my radio show "Jeff Gannon's Washington" on www.RIGHTALK.com)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >
To: ken5050
I tend to agree with you. He doesn't match the dynamic that is needed in an election year. I am sure that he is competent, hardworking and effective.....in house; but I agree that he is not a dynamic "podium man", and this year above all, Bush needs to be served by someone that can give back to the rabid hate-Bush crowd as good as it gets.

My only thought, somewhat tongue in cheek, as a replacement would be; if the press is successful in hounding Rumsfeld out of the Sec Def spot....you fill in the blanks. LOL!

[DrZeeLit]

117. If he hadn't quit, the Grammar Police would have arrested him for..

...impersonating a writer.

In consideration of the welfare of me and my family I have decided to return to private life.

Even students in junior high can construct this one correctly. This alone is evidence that... HE WAS NO WRITER/REPORTER.

An attempted correction still lays bare problems with his writing.

In consideration of the welfare of my family and I, I have decided to return to private life.

Consideration for my family's welfare precipitates my return to private life?

Anyway... the guy was NO WRITER! Fake! Fraud! Ah, ha! We are all safe now!

[librechik]

124. Well, he warned us that he would try harder to be #1 (Conservative Idiot)

and I guess he just copped the title!

saw that one coming up Broadway--THANK YOU KOS!!!

[HerbieHeadhunter]

131. He may get the #1 idiot award for the year.

nm

[Liberty Belle]

143. Maybe even the century, or the millenium.

How dumb can you get? Uh..okay. I guess there's one guy dumber, and we all know where he's residing these days.

[paineinthearse]

168. If Gannon is #1, where would you place *?

Besides in a special place in hell.

[librechik]

182. * the biggest #2 in the whole manure pile n/t

[Chelsea Patriot]

133. Guess It's Back to the Daily Grind of a M4M, Pseudo-Military, Anal Whore

And just when that haggard, worn sphincter was beginning to heal..

[Occulus]

149. lol n/t

[Seemann For Congress]

134. Hey Skinner and EarlG......

....can he still be #1 on the Conservative Idiots next week?

Gee, 24 hours between promising to be #1 and resigning. That's gotta be a record.

[Liberty Belle]

142. Shhh. Don't tell Skinner this is a SEX threat!

Though hopefully he'll make an exception for discussion the prurient interests of a Republican media whore.

[paineinthearse]

167. No way!

He must be perpetually #2. Doesn't deserve #1.

[liberalitch]

153. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.....

jeffy boy

[edkohler]

154. How times have changed?

Care to guess the date of this quote from Mr. Gannon?

"I'm a pioneer," he says. "Guys on the front lines, they get shot at, and hey, I'm willing to take it."




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3418-2005Feb6.html
Two days ago. LOL.

[ClintonTyree]

160. He's #1, he's #1, he's#1.............................

Jeff, you took aim and reached for the stars! You told us you were going to keep trying for #1. Well, you DID it. Congratulations Jeff! You are now the #1 bush toady of all time. Falling on your sword for the Chimp in Chief. What a guy!

[paineinthearse]

165. Found this on a conservative/religious blog. he he he

National : “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James Dale Guckert"?)
Posted by Anonymous on 2005/2/9 13:40:38
By Roderick Oglethorpe

Editor's Note: The following comments reflect those of the author and not necessarily this site or the owners.

Recently there has been a buzz over the shadowy “Jeff Gannon” and the shadowy “Talon News Agency”. Why does “Gannon” use a pseudonym and why does he have to get a temporary press pass every day rather than being given a permanent pass?

One fact that is readily available is that “Gannon” has many web domains registered. Some under the (presumably fake name) “I. Christian” for the “Free Speech Foundation”, some under “J. Daniels” (“Jack Daniels”?) for the “Bedrock Corporation", and some with registration that have been recently transferred from the latter to the former. Of particular note are these Bedrock domains

Quote:

jeffgannon.com
conservative-guy.com
Hotmilitarystud.com
Militaryescorts.com
Militaryescortsm4m.com

People in the know have commented that the last three are recognizably “gay coded” names – places either to find gay pornography or arrange male “dates” by showing "cute" pictures. For example “m4m” means “men for men” as a Google search shows.

Finding info about “Bedrock Corporation” has not been simple. It seems to exist from a rented mailbox in Delaware. Further search found an address for a single-family home associated with a "Jim Guckert" aka "James Dale Guckert". This name ties in with a Yahoo Web page for jdg17 in which he claims membership in the TKE fraternity of West Chester University of Pennsylvania.

Since “Jeff Gannon” claimed he graduated from the U of Pennsylvania “system” this is some confirmation that “Guckert” may be “Gannon”. As is the strong resemblance of a guy in this photo from a WCU TKE alumni party to “Gannon”.

This article has been in two parts. First “Gannon”s web sites are registered by the same company that has registered gay oriented websites and the total number of sites is not large. Either “Gannon” is “I. Christian” and “Jack Daniels” and is responsible for everything, or he associates with the wrong people and is too stupid to discover anything wrong about them.

The second half is more speculative. Is “Gannon” really “Guckert” and “jdg17”? Occam's razor says they are, and I think so. jdg17's portrait is definitely a cry for homosexual "love".

"Jeff Gannon" has been contacted and has not denied any of these interpretations. Maybe after this article is published he will have something to say.

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Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 14:36 Updated: 2005/2/9 14:36
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
I'm sure that the Drudge Report will be "all over" this guy in no time. Or perhaps it hits a little too close to homo for poor Matt.

Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 14:39 Updated: 2005/2/9 14:40
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
the thing is, I don't see why the Right Wing spin machhine wants to smear Gannon. He's SAVED Bush in many a press conference with his softball questions, so why would they pull another "McCain has a bastard black child" on Gannon when Gannon has proved himself, time and time again, to be such a reliable (expletive)?

Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 15:10 Updated: 2005/2/9 15:10
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
Guckert is "Gannon".

Quoting from Guckert's frat's alumni news (May 2004):

Guckert "is not in the CIA, NSA, or any other crazy super duper secret government agency. He is a reporter, not sure for whom, but he has definitely been in the White House briefing room on several occasions. I know this because I am a dork and actually come home from work and watch White House press briefings on C-span. (Note to alumni, this report has not been confirmed)."

http://www.tkema.com/Minutes.htm

Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 15:10 Updated: 2005/2/9 15:10
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
The Mepublicans claim to have cornered the market on morality and christian values. I understand from another BB that this guy has spent time at the bush mansion in Crawford. Was he arranging escorts?

Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 16:50 Updated: 2005/2/9 16:50
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
Sure makes the Bush administration look bad. I wonder if this guy got paid to support policy in the same manner as those other journalists. If so, heads should roll. Someone should look into this.

Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 16:59 Updated: 2005/2/9 16:59
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
Blogs swing their mighty sword to the left and right and spare no one, but if we believe everything we read then do a google search on RNC Chairman and close personal frind of our president, Ken Mehlman with the word "gay".

Mr. Melhman is also awash in internet innuendo....I can't wait this story's climax!

Anonymous Posted: 2005/2/9 17:03 Updated: 2005/2/9 17:03
Re: “Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James
Dear Heavenly Father, I thank You for forgiving me of all the things that I have said that have not agreed with Your Word. Father, please cancel all of the negative words that I have spoken against anyone. Lord, I truly want to use my tongue in a godly manner by speaking those things that will bless and edify others. Teach me how to pray correctly and may my lips now speak Your Word. May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your sight. Please guide Jeff Gannon, Carl Rove, Scott McClellan, Ken Mehlman, Dick Cheney and George Bush to seek the light and speak the truth. Help steer them away from false paths by employing others to spread untruthful statements by posing as legitimate journalists and media commentators. I ask this in the name of Jesus. Amen.

[sarcasmo]

170. He is afraid of being whacked by one of Chimpies henchmen.

[V Lee]

172. Yea!!! The end of a fraud. eom

[bobby bad boy]

173. Farewell Message

"In consideration of the welfare of me..." He can't
even say goodbye properly. It s/b "In consideration of
the welfare of MYSELF and my family" which is still
awkwardly phrased but at least grammatically correct. A REAL
journalist might have said something along the lines of
"Out of consideration for the privacy (or
"wellbeing", not "welfare")of myself and
my family" - but of course this is not a real journalist,
is it?  

This is the clumsiest official farewell I've seen in a long
time. "The voice goes silent." - what a hoot!

congrats to this forum for pulling this bastard down. Wonder
where he'll pop up next.

bobby bad boy

[mzmolly]

177. Welcome Bobbybadboy!

:toast:

[theresistance]

181. Good riddance! Let's get the rest

[RubyCat]

183. I keep hearing that song from the movie Chicago:

He had it coming.
He had it coming.
He only had himself to blame...

[Bouncy Ball]

184. GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD GARBAGE.

People like him should BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

They pass themselves off as unbiased reporters when really they have a complete and total agenda they are pushing. They are LIARS.

LYING IS WRONG, GANNON. You are nothing but a big fat liar. You made money off of LYING.

And the thing is, if you found out some liberal "news organization" was doing the same thing under a Democratic president, you'd be the FIRST to scream and yell your bloody head off about it.

AND YOU KNOW IT.

Which also makes you a big fat hypocrite.

Enjoy your early retirement. If you are indeed quitting and not simply putting someone else in your place to carry on your immoral, shameful game.

If you are really quitting, you might want to do some reading up on ETHICS, asshole.

[outerheaven]

188. ahhhhhh

It's nice to have a good laugh like this, especially in these frustrating times.

"I'LL TRY HARDER TO GET #1 NEXT TIME"

hahahaha... ohhhh man... you were true to your words, Jeff. good game.

[paineinthearse]

190. See Rep. Slaughter letter to * in LBN

Posted at 2:43PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1224526&mesg_id=1224526

[Hand]

191. Well, with all the caveats well in mind...

Let me just say:

Na na NA na, Na na NA-AH na, HEY HE-EY, GOOD BYE!!!!!!!!!

Bye bye, asshole--and be sure to let the door hit you in the ass on yr. way out!

:evilgrin:

Now back to work--and there's plenty!

[Dean_Convert]

192. *Sob*

Well aint that just the saddest fuggin thing you could ever read? His poor wife, his poor chilluns, his poor, white-haired mother... his poor, poor Johns.
:nopity:

[MsMagnificent]

193. There will be another to take his place

there will be more, no doubt

...and the reprobates will just try to cover the next guy's trail, even better.

WE MUST STAY CONSTANTLY VIGILANT!

[David Zephyr]

194. Sorry Jeff, We're Gonna "Smoke You Out of Your Hole".

and keep after you and your lying connections to the White House.

[Bluzmann57]

196. He said he no longer can be effective

as a reporter. My question is, what makes him think he was ever a reporter in the first place? He was a shill and somehow will get an even better, higher paying job. No doubt about it. Bye bye Jeffie. Good riddance.

[Scout1071]

198. Congrats to all those hard working bloggers. This is only the beginning.

I was so incredibly psyched to see this just before I left for work (where I can't access DU.) As soon as I got home I logged on to see the latest. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it on CNN! Could it be the MSM is waking up? They better not let this one disappear. This is just the beginning.

We The People......are coming.

[paineinthearse]

199. Squat for M$M coverage......

Note the first entry from Media Matters, a press release to US Newswire. If that gets ignored, we know the media is clamped down.

The only MSM story I have seen is by the Boston Globe (a copy is in the Massachusetts forum; last entry here refers to it), WP & the Niagara Falls Reporter. All others are either blogs or Gannon stories.

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Jeff Gannon Reverses Course, Quits as Talon News 'Reporter', Says ...
U.S. Newswire (press release), DC - 2 hours ago
... that Talon News is virtually indistinguishable from a Republican activist Web site known as http://GOPUSA.com ; and the fact that Gannon and Talon/GOPUSA.com ...

Jeff Gannon reverses course, quits as Talon News "reporter
The Conservative Voice - 3 hours ago
Talon News Washington bureau chief and White House correspondent Jeff Gannon's decision "to return to private life" "because of the attention being paid" to ...

Jayson Blair Would Be Proud
Brown Daily Squeal (satire), NY - 4 hours ago
Talon News is a news organization which gives off no signs of being anything but ... So I assume it makes perfect sense that their reporter Jeff Gannon, with his ...

Rep. Slaughter Calls on President Bush to Explain Emerging White ...
Raw Story, MA - 4 hours ago
... attention by the Niagara Falls Reporter (article attached), a local newspaper in my district, regarding James “JD” Guckert (AKA Jeff Gannon) of Talon News. ...

Gannon reverses course, quits as Talon News "reporter"
Media Matters for America, DC - 5 hours ago
Talon News Washington bureau chief and White House correspondent Jeff Gannon's decision "to return to private life" "because of the attention being paid" to ...

Backstory of ‘gay’ profile emerges on conservative White House ...
Raw Story, MA - 5 hours ago
... Gannon was a reporter for Talon News, a conservative news site which some see as a propaganda outlet. Gannon resigned his post early ...

Jeff Gannon” a gay porn entrepreneur? (aka "James Dale Guckert
The Conservative Voice - 8 hours ago
By Roderick Oglethorpe. Recently there has been a buzz over the shadowy “Jeff Gannon” and the shadowy “Talon News Agency”. ...

Sudan Begins 3rd Consecutive Term on Human Rights Panel
Men's News Daily, CA - Feb 8, 2005
By Jeff Gannon. ... former US State and Defense Department official who has traveled extensively throughout Africa and the Middle East, explained to Talon News that ...

White House: Washington Post article 'flat wrong'
Insight on the News, DC - Feb 7, 2005
By Jeff Gannon. WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- The White House pushed back against an article in Thursday's Washington Post, calling it 'flat wrong' about the ...

AN OPEN LETTER TO LOUISE SLAUGHTER
Niagarafallsreporter.com, NY - Feb 7, 2005
He is affiliated with an organization called Talon News, and is frequently called ... According to the Philadelphia Daily News, "Jeff Gannon" isn't even his real ...

AN OPEN LETTER TO LOUISE SLAUGHTER
Niagarafallsreporter.com, NY - Feb 7, 2005
He is affiliated with an organization called Talon News, and is frequently called ... According to the Philadelphia Daily News, "Jeff Gannon" isn't even his real ...

Why is Jeff Gannon Lying?
Dissident Voice, CA - Feb 7, 2005
by Katherine Brengle. The Boston Globe and Editor & Publisher have been tracking the Jeff Gannon story for a while. ... So why is Jeff Gannon lying? ...

Bush Barnstorms For Social Security Reform
GOPUSA, TX - Feb 7, 2005
By Jeff Gannon. WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- President Bush visited five states last week to promote his plans to reform Social Security. ...

Political Perspectives With Tunnel Vision
Washington Post (Subscription), DC - Feb 7, 2005
... Gannon writes for Talon News, a Web site whose reports also appear on another site, GOPUSA, whose self-declared mission is "Bringing the Conservative Message ...

Social Security distortions continue to dominate news
Media Matters for America, DC - Feb 4, 2005
... Last week, Media Matters explored the absurdity of Talon News' Jeff Gannon's presence at White House press briefings, noting that Talon News has more in common ...

GOP Hypocrite of the Week: Jeff Gannon
BuzzFlash, IL - Feb 4, 2005
... Biographical background on Gannon that no longer is on the Talon website indicated that "He is also a graduate of the Leadership Institute Broadcast School of ...

White House: Washington Post Article 'Flat Wrong'
GOPUSA, TX - Feb 4, 2005
By Jeff Gannon. WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- The White House pushed back against an article in Thursday's Washington Post, calling it 'flat wrong' about the ...

Bush: Banning Gay Marriage Could Cut Deficit in Half
Swift Report - Feb 4, 2005
... When the Swift Report wants to know what the White House is thinking, we go straight to the source: Gannon's website Talon News. ...

Journos claim Bush friendly reporter is a plant
Inquirer, UK - Feb 3, 2005
... He also pointed out that many of the reports Gannon filed for Talon News "appeared to be lifted verbatim from various White House and Republican political ...

New Media Reporter Blasted and Investigated by Boston Globe
Mullenax News, OH - Feb 3, 2005
... hoping that some reporter would ask. Three cheers for Jeff Gannon of Talon News! He actually asked it. I happened to catch the news ...

[paineinthearse]

207. Lack of M$M coverage is becoming a story unto itself.

In MEDIA - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x18103 - I have been tracking the few stories that are emerging. There is new information from Media Matters and commentary from a couple blogs.

As far as MSM, only "All Things Considered" has given the Gannon resignation / roll of blogs any coverage. I will check all sources again at midnight.

Hello clampdown!

[paineinthearse]

201. Anderson Cooper 360 has Rep. Slaughter on NOW! n/t

[paineinthearse]

202. If the WH credentials....

"If the WH credentials everyone who shows up for the daily briefing, I hope 11,000 show up tomorrow."

Rep. Slaughter

:yourock:

[paineinthearse]

203. Who will take the fall?

Will Press Secretary McClellan resign?

Will Karl Rove admit Talon was a WH operation?

Will * take ultimate responsibility?

Don't hold your breath!

[tavalon]

225. No, actually some idiot who was passing himself off as a journalist

is taking the fall. He went by a pseudonym, can't really remember his name right now, he was so inconsequential...........

[paineinthearse]

205. Joseph Wilson speaks out

http://bluemassgroup.typepad.com/blue_mass_group/2005/02/joseph_wilson_s.html

February 09, 2005

Joseph Wilson speaks out

Joseph Wilson, husband of outed CIA operative Valerie Plame, has given an interesting interview to Daily Kos diarist SusanG. Most of the interview is about the fascinating investigation into fake reporter Jeff Gannon, who somehow managed to get White House press credentials. But Wilson had this to say on the question whether his wife's identity as a CIA operative was widely known:

If it was common knowledge that could only be because the conspiracy to leak her name was broader and deeper than currently understood.... When the leak occurred nobody in our circle of friends or colleagues outside Valerie's place of employment knew what she did for a living. If our closest friends and family (my brother did not know) were unaware, the only way our political adversaries would know is if somebody from the administration spread the story.

Conservatives have been peddling the "common knowledge" argument for some time as a way of defending the appalling leak of Plame's identity, or at least of denying its criminality. Wilson's comments here, if accurate, directly refute that argument (Wilson and Plame's lawyer writes here that he was unaware of her CIA status until douchebag of liberty Bob Novak blew her cover, which supports Wilson's comments).

[paineinthearse]

206. Plame & Propagannon: Joe Wilson Speaks Out

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/94615/61143

by SusanG
Wed Feb 9th, 2005 at 08:45:52 PST

(From the diaries -- kos )
Yes, Kossacks, while you all were out linking to military porn sites and fraternity house pages and checking out friendster (you sordid crew, you), I've been spending my past few days in a leisurely, wide-ranging email discussion with Ambassador Joseph Wilson, asking him the questions we've all been dying to ask him.

<snip>

How did the interview with Gannon come about, given that it was a small-time conservative news outlet?

Gannon called me and identified himself as the White House Correspondent from Talon News, a conservative news organization. He wanted to do a wide-ranging interview on my position on the war as well as the Niger mission and the leak.

While I had never heard his name or the name of his organization before, I was happy to do it. I have long felt that it is readers and viewers of conservative media who could benefit from a more balanced discussion of what is at stake in our policy and the actions of our government. At one point I recall Gannon as saying he was a traditional conservative (distinguishing himself from the neoconservatives, who in my judgement have totally captured our foreign policy). Speaking to the Times and other mainstream media is fine but those readers and viewers are generally better informed and often of the same perspective. It is those on the other side to whom we need to address the issues even more than to those with whom we already share views.

much more....a must read!!!!!

[Mr_Spock]

208. Wow - excellent interview.

The lying corrupt government vs. the ordinary citizen - a great story.

[caligirl]

215. From Americablog.org repost, internet shredding,

From:the comments section feb 9

And Talon is literally on the move...Hang on, folks...things could get bumpy....


http://www.leadpencil.net/blog/archives/000234.html

Much is being made of the 'resignation' of Jeff Gannon, a faux-journalist suspected of being a conservative shill in the White House press briefing room and now also believed to have some ties to lifestyles that don't jibe with the party lines.



But what about Talon News? According to whois records, talonnews.com is owned by Endeavor Media Group in Houston TX -- a company with a PO Box and a fake phone number listing. When checking on endeavormediagroup.com in whois, the same info comes up -- but endeavormediagroup.com is a Forbidden domain. Also, googling "endeavor media group" gets you nothing. It's like this company doesn't exist.

And it didn't -- until Monday.

Endeavor Media Group, LLC (39068802O)
[e-mail]
P.O. Box 891354
Houston, TX 77289
US
Phone: [phone]

Record expires on 07-Feb-2008
Record created on 07-Feb-2005
Database last updated on 07-Feb-2005

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www.gopusa.com
Registrant:
Endeavor Media Group, LLC (GOPUSA3-DOM)
P.O. Box 891354
Houston, TX 77289
US

Domain Name: GOPUSA.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Endeavor Media Group, LLC (39068802O) [e-mail]
P.O. Box 891354
Houston, TX 77289
US
999-999-9999

Record expires on 27-Sep-2007.
Record created on 27-Sep-1999.
Database last updated on 9-Feb-2005 23:59:22 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.DATAPIPE.NET 64.27.65.13
NS2.DATAPIPE.NET 64.27.64.76


from

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/all-of-gannons-stories-deleted-from.html

[blondeatlast]

227. You should post this as a new thread. The company didn't exist--

UNTIL MONDAY?!

That is truly, truly bizarre. Please, post this as a new thread! This could get very interesting...

[baron j]

217. Not only is his syntax lacking,

but his web design looks like something from 1996. Really, now. Why can't any of them hire a professional? A web designer, that is.

From Talon News:

"...We are currently evaluating candidates to fill this critical assignment, and anticipate minimal interruption of Talon's coverage of our nation's capitol and the White House in the meantime."

I wonder what those interview questions include...Can you read?...Boxers or briefs?...

[tavalon]

218. Poor Widdle Jeffy

Couldn't take the heat, eh? Oh well, there goes your chance to be the number one conservative idiot. That's ok, hon, you never had the possibility of getting it.

Oh, and, Buh Bye! Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

[Raster]

226. In orther words: Now that I've been positively identified as the

lying, hypocritical, pandering asshole that I really am ....

[Roland99]

228. Salon.com article - Fake news, fake reporter

Why was a partisan hack, using an alias and with no journalism background, given repeated access to daily White House press briefings?
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/02/10/gannon_affair/index1.html

Gannon's star turn quickly piqued the interest of many online commentators, who wondered how an obvious Republican operative had been granted access to daily White House press briefings normally reserved for accredited journalists. Two weeks later, a swarming investigation inside the blogosphere into Gannon and Talon News had produced all sorts of damning revelations about how Talon is connected at the hip to a right-wing activist organization called GOPUSA, how its "news" staff consists largely of volunteer Republican activists with no journalism experience, how Gannon often simply rewrote GOP press releases when filing his Talon dispatches. It also uncovered embarrassing information about Gannon's past as well as his fake identity. When Gannon himself this week confirmed to the Washington Post that his name was a pseudonym, it only added to the sense of a bizarre hoax waiting to be exposed.

<...>

The situation "begs further investigation," says James Pinkerton, a media critic for Fox News who has worked for two Republican White Houses. "In the six years I worked for Reagan and Bush I, I remember the White House being strict about who got in. It's inconceivable to me that the White House, especially after 9/11, gives credentials to people without doing a background check."

<...>

Earlier this week, when asked about Gannon's access, White House press secretary Scott McClellan essentially threw up his hands and said he has no control over who is in the press room and whom the president calls on during his rare press conferences. "I don't think it's the role of the press secretary to get into the business of being a media critic or picking and choosing who gets credentials," he told the Washington Post.

"That's like saying, 'I'm chief of staff at a hospital and when a patient dies in surgery and it turns out the guy operating wasn't a doctor ... not my business to be a medical critic,'" says Ron Suskind, a former Wall Street Journal reporter who has written extensively about the inner workings of the Bush administration.