Lots of Hillary bashers on board lately

[Mizmoon]

I wonder if they are real or part of a GOP plan as outlined in Salon:

We reported earlier today about Hillary Clinton's high approval ratings among voters in New York. Somebody's fixing to do something about them. New York magazine reports on Republican plans to do to Hillary Clinton what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did to John Kerry:

"Arthur Finkelstein, the political guru who helped create George Pataki, now wants to Swift Boat-ize Hillary Clinton," the magazine says. "Senior New York Republicans say he’s creating a political action committee called 'Stop Her Now'—all you need is the pronoun with this crowd, apparently—which will attempt to raise more than $10 million nationwide to use against Her during Her 2006 reelection campaign. The PAC will 'bloody her up long before her presidential run,' vows a top state Republican, adding the model is indeed the Swift Boat Vets."

[whistle]

1. GOP moles I would say, real DUers would love Hillary to run...

...for president in 2008.

[asthmaticeog]

2. Excuse me?

So now supporting another moderate DLC lapdog is a requirement for being a "real" DUer? I'm against a Clinton candidacy, and if you want to call me a GOP mole, we're going to have some issues.

[Berserker]

3. See how she voted

like her or not here is her record.

http://www.voterpunch.org/

[bowens43]

10. Bullshit.

She is part of the problem not part of the solution. The last thing we need is a 'centrist' who is kissing up to the conservatives and the Christian right. Besides that , A Hillary candidacy is a sure loser. No one would solidify the Republican party more quickly or more completely then her.

[Jacobin]

14. What an odd thing to suggest.....

Hillary is a PNAC enabler and loves Middle East Meddling.

Why is it that 'true democrats' have to be warmongers?

Just asking.........

[CWebster]

4. The thing about Hillary cheerleaders

is that they are ignorant of her record. Like Kerry, who was bound and gagged for his vote, Hillary is just as incapable of getting past it. She has triangulated away many of the party's plank for her own personal ambition, and yes, she is the favorite target of the regressive Right no matter how many times she supports their policies.

I really would like to see a new day in the Democratic party and a revival of Clintonism just brings up the past that works against us.

[Mizmoon]

5. Do you live in NY?

[IrateCitizen]

9. I live in NY, and I largely agree with CWebster's statement

Hillary would do horribly in a national race, because she's a solid centrist that somehow has the reputation for being a liberal. She would galvanize the RW to vote against her, along with many moderates, while at the same time alienating many members of the progressive left who have a very difficult time with some of her votes on key issues.

As for her NY race, I would be elated if someone more progressive would primary her for the Democratic nomination for that Senate Seat. The NY GOP is in shambles right now, and there is absolutely no reason to have a Democratic Senator from my state who is as solidly corporatist centrist as Hillary Clinton. Of course, I'm not holding my breath for her to be primaried, since NY is still a heavily machine-driven state, politically speaking.

As for national elections, why on earth would we want to nominate a centrist masquerading as a liberal? It seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. I would think we would want to go the OTHER way around, if anything.

[Mizmoon]

12. Perhaps you'd prefer D'Amato or his GOP equivilent?

That's what we're gonna get if you people keep this nitpicking up.

[IrateCitizen]

15. Perhaps you'd care to address the contents of my post...

... rather than making a baseless statement.

If you're looking for me to just sit down, shut up, and accept a person as my Senator that I believe to be only a drag on progressive reform and a symbol of the failure of corporatist centrism, then you're about to be severely mistaken.

Like I said above, the NY GOP is in shambles. Who are they going to run in 2006? Giuliani? He has WAY too much baggage to possibly win -- his campaign would only serve to remind NYers how much of a jackass he was prior to 9/11. It's time that NYers actually got a Democrat that reflected the liberal tendencies of the population, rather than a twist-in-the-wind centrist.

[blondeatlast]

6. I suspect we're being set up, and I haven't got the time to worry

about '08.

They don't know who to target for '06 yet, so they are doing this.

Ignore them--and that doesn't mean you have to click the button.

[Mizmoon]

8. This isn't about Hillary in 08, it's about Hillary in 06

we don't even know if there will be a Hillary running for president in 08 - but she's certainly running for re-election in 06.

[opihimoimoi]

7. A facist move....destroy potential opposition....early and relentless.

they did it to their own too. McCain was a target/victim. Gore/Kerry/
and many others were too.

Now it Hillarys turn...

This evil momentum must be curbed else we join the list of Nations of the worst type.

[bowens43]

13. I disagree.

No one is more hated by conservatives then she is. You think we saw massive conservative turn out in 2004? You ain't seen nothing yet.

I know very few Democrats who want to see her on the ticket. It seems that those pushing the idea of a Hillary candidacy the hardest are right wingers. Why do you think that is?

[SixStrings]

11. Lets see...

You have a former Presidents' son as current President, a former President's wife in the senate with Presidential aspirations...and people who despise that kind of nepotism are 'the enemy'?
Look at your history: Kennedy's , Bushes, Clintons' Gores. Is this a government that represents the face of your Nation?
Really makes a mockery of 'of the people, for the people, by the people', slant your Government is ramming down 'undemocratic' nations.

There should be a law against this. 300 million people and 5-6 families have been running the show for decades. Quite the system to export around the globe.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

16. She was a national movement for the facists the first time.

I live in Georgia now and lots of these peanut brains were making contributions of up to $2000 to Rick Lazy-o's campaign when he ran against her.

[Moderator]

17. Locking

Inflammatory. You may repost the thread if you can do it in a manner which does not accuse other DUers of being Republican plants.