Are We Going To Let Gannon And McClelland Make US The Homophobes?

[DistressedAmerican]

Those of you that saw Wolf yesterday know that the right and the media are trying to make this story about liberals digging into the personal life of this weasel. I have seen endless posts about Gannon being gay, Sleeping with administration officials, "Mangate", etc. Well, we can't complain about their reporting when we are obsessing over his sexual orientation.

The story here is the fact that he was an uncredentialed, mouthpiece plant for the administration. He may have served as a conduit for illegal leaks. Someone gave this hack a press pass OVER AND OVER.

As long as we are not focused on that, we let the right own the story and make it about us. I say stop giving them fodder. I'm sure every time Karl Rove looks at a source and sees that we are still on the gay thing he just smiles and laughs. As long as we are talking about this guy's orientation, ownership of porn site domain names, etc. we are just playing their game.

Besides we already have plenty of gay bashing and stereotyping from the right. Do we really need to become more like them just because we smell this hypocrite's blood in the water?

Remember the Cheney's daughter comment? They beat us over the head with it for two weeks. Do we really want to go there again?

[Brian_Expat]

1. The focus should be on the hypocrisy

That's something that I, as a gay man myself, can get behind 100%.

[hector459]

17. Can someone say "McGreavy?"

The right wing always goes whining about "homophobes" when someone among their ranks is outed but when it's all about Dems it becomes an issue of "moral values" and "religious values." Don't let them get away with his shit. Call me any name you want to call me. The Republicans are the lowest, dirtiest smearers in the world. You must follow up on the other half of the O'Malley story to understand how these folks operate at the local and state levels.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. But his being a gay call girl (or whatever)

are completely tangential to the essential fact that he was a planted propoganda mouth posing as a reporter. That is at the heart of Slaughter's call for an investigation.
The gay hypocrisy thing is a minor bonus, and we do risk some backlash by overplaying that aspect.

[Brian_Expat]

46. Nope, it's not tangential

He was a gay call boy who was a high-level shill for a political that says that responsible gay families are "immoral" and should be banned. That's high hypocrisy and MUST be exposed.

[DistressedAmerican]

47. Well, He Has Minorities On His Staff Yet His Policies Do Not

suggest much respect for minorities. Should we start noting that in hopes that it will serve as a wedge between him and his base?

Homophobia and the feeding of negative stereotypes for political advantage is still repugnant, even if it works!

[blondeatlast]

2. It's about the whoring, literally and figuratively.

Juicy enough for the MSM to take on, without insulting our GLBT brothers and sister.

[ewagner]

3. You're right ...AND....

the investigative part of this needs to keep going....

some questions need to be answered.....

Did the WH Press Office know that Gannon was a pseudo name and, if not, why not?

If they knew about the fake name, why didn't they know about the other websites?

Who "vouched" for Gannon? Who were his references?

Did the people vouching for Gannon have ANY connection to those OTHER web sites?

Those are the big questions....there is a HUGE scandal lurking just under the surface here and we need some really good investigative journalists to dig it out....

you're right ... stop obsessing over the hypocrisy of the repubs and get to the heart of the matter.

[blondeatlast]

5. Yup, the credential issuance is the story. nt

[liveoaktx]

12. Even more so-the Plame/Gannon angle to this a larger scandal

It's just too coincidental that shortly after Novak outs Plame, Jeff Gannon starts up online.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/191334/0754

[giant_robot]

63. That's a great timeline.

It's kind of long, but everybody should click on the link in the post above and read it, if you have time.

[blondeatlast]

4. An aspect somewhat apart from Man-Gate, but not wholly apart:

Most of the rural, red state Bush voters voted on the so-called "moral values" issues of gay rights and abortion.

One can't deny the irony of the ease in which Guckert got his press credentials for the WH, and who was high enough up in the administration or RNC to provide them.

The story is how he got the credentials, I'm willing to bet.

[Maraya1969]

10. It's a tough one because so many conservatives voted for Bush

because they wanted to ban gay marriage. Finding out the White house was in "intimate" contact with what THEY SAY is an "abomination of God" is just fantastic.

Maybe that slant should be included just for clarification so we don't sound like hypocrites.

[Ian David]

54. You can't get NEAR the pResident without a background check

Between the background checks and the loyalty questionaires... THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN that Gannon was a gay pimp using a pseudonym.

Heck, if a handful of left-wing-conspiracy-theorist bloggers who aren't to be taken seriously can find out, don't you think the FBI and Secret Service knew this?

Don't you think some of the "journalists" who were in the same room with him must have known? Didn't one of them ever ask, "Who is this Gannon guy?"

Jon Stewart, who does "fake news," figured out something was up weeks ago!

[HereSince1628]

6. Agreed, but don't expect the MSM to pursue this

They are embarrassed about being outdone by bloggers.

I think they would just as soon see this story degrade into another conservative with a hidden if hypocritical sex life. There are so many of those that those stories are get to be unnewsworthy.

[bunkerbuster1]

19. It's not just about being outdone by bloggers; they look real bad

because they shared oxygen with this tool for all that time and didn't make a stink about it. It'll be painfully obvious to even a casual observer that the Corporate F-doll Media screwed up here.

[cyberpj]

20. Story on CNN headline news this morning - but no mention of CIA memo

We should focus on WHO gave him daily passes and the leaked CIA memo.

Make this a SECURITY ISSUE.

[HereSince1628]

57. Absolutely!

I did a bit of Google searching on "how to get a press credential"
and it is obvious that the conditions for credentialling at sports events and trade shows would have challenged "Gannon's" ability to meet those standards.

I didn't encounter a page explaining credentialling for members of the White House press corps. I think that would be an interesting question that could be asked via email of someone like Mark Shields.

The irregular nature of "gannon/talon" credentialling begs the obvious question of which staff (one or more) in the White House were involved in getting around normal procedures.

[EFerrari]

7. Last week it was the "latino" card, this week the "gay" card

Just call them on their cr@p. I was very happy last week to call the office of each lying sinkscum that kept harping on Gonzales latinoness and to tell them that as a Latina, I was offended by the tactic AND by the nomination. Even called Cspan and got through for once.

And isn't it a little difficult for them to go with the gay card since they're the pushers of the marriage amendment? Shameless thuggery.

[noamnety]

8. HOW is it digging into his personal life?

Anytime someone refers to it as digging into his personal life, we need to remind them that he made a choice to go public by posting a photo of himself in underwear on the PUBLIC internets. He made a choice to put it in the public domain.

And then, like you said, get back to the main issue. Absolutely.

[DistressedAmerican]

11. POINT IS - It is a distraction form the REAL story

Which is a much better and more important one.

OK if the gay websites were the ONLY issue maybe I could see your point. As long as it continues to divert aattention away from the big picture, I can't.

[bunkerbuster1]

9. GAY SEX! get yer GAY SEX here!

I say we pummel the crap out of the GAY SEX angle and make sure that all in the heartland know that someone pimping for GAY SEX had full access to Scottie, and that the GAY SEX pimp was called on by the Preznit by name.

We can get them interested in the connection to Valerie Plame, Armstrong Williams et al later.

For now, let's leverage homophobia for OUR fuckin' side for once.

Jesus Christ on chemo--If not now, when?

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[bunkerbuster1]

15. Dammit, I want to win.

If you can show me how anyone's lives will be made more miserable by exposing this scandal to the nation by any means necessary, I'm all ears.

[DistressedAmerican]

21. I already told you my suggestion

Focus on the part of the story that means something. Do not get lost in the sex.

I remember when the Repugs did that to Clinton. We cried "SEX, SEX, SEX!" Now we're the ones obsessing over the salacious details. It is just a distraction.

here are likely CRIMES here. Lets get to the bottom of that!

[bunkerbuster1]

24. I would LOVE to focus on the real issues, not GAY SEX.

But first, you whack 'em on the head to get their attention. This thing isn't anywhere near full boil yet.

Yes, by all means, I agree with you that we must be prepared to make this a serious story about access to the White House, about a cowardly White House that is terrified by dissent, and tie it to Valeria Plame. We should be ready with the "It's not about the blowjob, it's about the lying" line.

Absotively.

But to get it front and center? Get that AOL homepage pic out there for Red-state America to see.

[Al-CIAda]

42. Correct- The SEX gets initial attention, and make them stay for the treaso

TREASON.

Its ALL fair game. The sex only gets the attention. I believe it is VERY legitimate to expose and explore.

[DistressedAmerican]

44. I see your point but, I do not agree it works that way.

I think the gay issue does not open the door for further discussion. It takes the place of the discussion of the real issues. It will not be some sort of wake up call to these people. It only lets them focus on US, as if we are the problem.

[bunkerbuster1]

48. I'm just being realistic.

The Corporate F-doll Media will give this story NO play--none, zilch--if it's some boring-ass access-to-duh-Preznit / ethics story. It's got two strikes against it:

1) It's borrr-ring.

2) It makes the Corporate F-doll Media look bad, because they should've aired this earlier, and will open them up to harsh criticism from the RW goons.

Make it about a GAY PIMP INSIDE the WHITE HOUSE and, to paraphrase LBJ, "Let the fuckers deny it."

[DistressedAmerican]

49. You are probably right that the media will let it die.

Problem is that this whole thing is more likely than not completely ephemeral. Adding gay sex to the mix isn't going to give this thing legs it just makes us more like them for minor political advantage.

I do not think we gain as much as we loose by getting on the gay bashing train. Selling out our moral high ground for temporary political gain is never in the long term interests of the party.

[bunkerbuster1]

51. We'll respectfully differ. I say Moral high ground, schmoral high ground!

And please, when I say "leveraging homophobia" I do it with the utmost love and respect for my gay brothers and sisters. I just don't see how it harms any of the men and women I know who are gay, to get Joe and Jane Sixpack to notice a weird-ass dude posing in his whities.

[DistressedAmerican]

52. Fair enough. Thanks for the chat!

[bunkerbuster1]

53. anytime. onward and outward... er, upward...

[blm]

14. So, YOU want us not to vote for Democrats AND not to embarass Gannon

any further with his hypocrisy on gays, even though he wrote articles and made money attacking gays.

Interesting.

[DistressedAmerican]

16. Look If You Are Implying Freeping, Check Out My Website!

You will see that I am solidly in the 99th percentile of Bush haters.

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

Once having checked it out, why don't you come back and let me know if you think I am a freeper!

I just happen to think there are better ways of taking these fools out! We've been getting our asses kicked doing it your way! Time to give the real "Red Dogs" a shot! We won't play Rove's game!

[blm]

23. Anarchists are as helpful as republicans.

And David Horowitz built up his creds on the left for years before he came out as a republican operative.

That is why I don't trust ANYONE who encourages Democrats to turn against the Dem party.

[DistressedAmerican]

28. Well, enjoy your paranioa then!

Some dems may not agree on approach. That is what we are talking about. Some of us want the dems to stand for something. I will not wait on the soidelines and keep watching our party flush itself down the toilet.

[blm]

31. Standing against the hypocrisy of the GOP on gay issues doesn't suit you?

Isn't that YOU appeasing the GOP by looking the other way on THEIR political hypocrisy?

[DistressedAmerican]

34. Yes, They Are Hypocrites.

But, the BIGGER and MORE IMPORTANT issues are being lost in all of the obsession over that angle. No one is reporting the hypocrisy. They are reporting a liberal witch hunt. How exactly does that help us? If they were reporting the hypocrisy I'd agree with you but, they are not.

Let's shift the focus back to the damaging allegations of Whitehouse payola and leaking.

[blm]

37. Noone is STRESSING the gay aspect over the payola aspect. But dropping the

gay aspect when the WH is chock full of gay hypocrites is appeasing them by running scared of the issue.

[DistressedAmerican]

38. Just read the threads! That's simply not true!

How many threads are there right now discussing "mangate"? Few are talking about the core issues. Those of us that are are attacked as letting the hypocrites walk!

[cyberpj]

18. Good reminder. Focus on his connections and how much they gave him -

Good reminder about Cheney's daughter. No one of liberal persuasion should focus on, care about or even mention the gay angle.

What matters is that he was given passes - probably daily - by someone, and approved by someone, and given CIA documents by someone.

Who is the someone? (Any bets here? -- it's just so Rovelike!)

This guy was given free access to the White House under an assumed name and also given a classified CIA memo that named Plame.

If you really want to get attention the way the Repugs get attention...focus on NATIONAL SECURITY! Demand to find the person who overlooked this information for the sake of our country!

By the way - the story is on CNN Headline News this morning but no mention of the Plame memo.

[sunnystarr]

67. I watched 2 reporters state that they witnessed Gannon

with a WH Press Pass ... picture and all. So McClellan lies and no one steps up to call him on it? If those 2 reporters have seen it you can bet there are more. Where are their reports of the truth?? I'm so sick of Buchco's lies and them never being called on them!!

Gannon was supoena's last year on the Plame case. Yet not one news organization is reporting it despite the fact that they know about it. What's up with that?? His access to an internal memo that had a small WH distribution list proves he's an inside man - bought and paid for by the WH.

[ClassWarrior]

22. It's a wedge.

It's not homophobia, it's simply a wedge we can use to do damage to the criminals. We need to get smart about using things like this to drive a wedge between the Radical RW and their precious, misguided "base."

NGU.

[DistressedAmerican]

25. Take a look around you. Check out the repug sites!

This isn't driving a wedge between repugs and their voters. It is just uniting them some more against us. They think we are the problem.

Why do you think rightie votes will ever remember this as anythink but a liberal witchhunt?

[ClassWarrior]

29. The average voter doesn't visit "repug sites."

NGU.

[iconoclastNYC]

61. AMEN!!!! Yes yes yes

Driving a wedge thru thier base is the easiest way to regain power quickly.

[tom_paine]

27. You still don't get it, in a Sovietized Media Environment like here in the

Empire, it doesn't matter WHAT specific issues they use or words they spew.

As Orwell correctly prophesied, it is noise alone, designed to stimulate the Reptile Brains of the Bushevik followers and dupe anyone who is unaware of the changes in Imperial Amerika (which is most).

If the SwiftLiars proved anything it's that no allegation made by the Party against Enemies of the State like John Kerry don't have to be true or even make sense.

They are going to do what they do at Goebbels v2.0 no matter what we say or do.

They are in the process of selling the Modern Republican Party, which was the old Dixiecrat sub-category of the Democrats, as the tireless defenders of Civil Rights.

And it is going to work. In Imperial Amerika there is no past, it is rewritten every morning.

We will get the same treatment no matter what we say or do.

[DistressedAmerican]

30. Well then we should stick with some values!

What do we have to loose?

[blondeatlast]

32. The nation, that's all.

Nothing major.

[DistressedAmerican]

33. We have already lost the nation to these assholes by playing nice

that is why we need to change up our strategy!

[tom_paine]

45. How has that worked so far...playing nice with Totalitarian Monsters?

Workin' pretty good, is it?

Isn't that always how being nice to Totalitarians works? They always stop out of a deep respect for the values of compromise, eh?

Actually, I agree with bunkerbuster, although in the Sovietized Amerikan Media it can't work (nothing can), in that the HYPOCRISY is the angle of this Homosexual inveighing against homosexuality day after day after day.

Not that being a homosexual is "wrong" ,but it's the hypocrisy.

Of course, as every Imperial Subject knows, THE PARTY is 100% perfectly moral and any other information on the subject must be delusional "liberal" media spin.

:puke:

[No Exit]

35. It's promiscuity, NOT homosexuality!

First, I haven't seen any source that out-and-out says that Gannon/Guckert is a homosexual. I don't care if he is homo or hetero. Whatever his sexuality is, if he does own those "military porn escort whatever" sites, then he's a pimp/panderer. (Makes sense... after all, it's already clear that he's a pimp/panderer for the White House, so why wouldn't he also be a regular, garden-variety pimp/panderer, too?)

HOMO OR HETERO, THE OWNER OF THOSE SITES PROMOTES PROMISCUITY!

Promiscuity is AGAINST "FAMILY VALUES"!

What is a card-carrying pimp--I mean, supporter--of this holy, messianic, blessed, pure, American, patriotic, family-loving, sweet, administration DOING pimping a bunch of male escorts in military drag??

THAT is the question we want the average anal-retentive rightwingnut to ask himself/herself. Then we want them to get really mad at this administration!

[DistressedAmerican]

36. They will only ask why we are on a witch hunt and call US hypocrites!

You will not get an ounce of political advantage over this story unless it widens significantly to include the Plame issue. Even then it is questionable.

[No Exit]

39. And the Rather business WASN'T a witch hunt??!?

That one didn't backfire on THEM--even though well before the supposed "forged documents" which fed the CBS story, the Niger/uranium/16 words thing had been based on FORGED DOCUMENTS (but of course the wingnuts don't like to talk about THAT.)

If the words "witch hunt" come out of any of their sanctimonious little mouths, the immediate response should be: "Dan Rather--what's good for the goose is good for the gander. At least Rather was a real journalist!"

The Gannon/Guckert business has already been widened to include his link to the very serious Plame affair. Look at what Joe Wilson is saying! Furthermore, the Gannon/Guckert thing is just one on a continuum of stories that show that this administration PAYS people to pose as unbiased journalists, while the administration is feeding them their lines.

Did you feel this way when the Armstrong Williams thing came out?

Every time wingnuts watch a White House briefing, I want them to wonder if any softball questions are the result of someone being PAID. We need to show up this Potemkin adminstration for what it is.

The military porn site part is just a bit of icing on the cake to make it palatable to dullard Bush supporters who are unaccustomed to swallowing anything which isn't coated in sugar or high fructose corn syrup.

[rman]

40. you think we should care about what they might call us?

why's that?

[DistressedAmerican]

43. Because American will listen to that and NOT the Gannon story itself!

That is the issue. They can call us whatever they want. However, that is not my main point.

I do not think it EFFECTIVE to go after it at the expense of focusing on the significant facts of the story and I do not think as one previous post said that we should be "leveraging homophobia" as a political tool. It is morally wrong.

How is it any better than starting a campaign to remind Repug voters throughout the south that Bush has blacks and hispanics on his staff? They are just as big hypocrites as I see it.

[1democracy]

41. Stick to our values

or we become like them. Logic alone cannot dictate how to best go after the truth because the *ites are not logical. They base themselves on perpetual lies and distortions, which are truly endless (like Hell) while there is only one TRUTH, which must be unearthed!Therefore the truth will emerge on many fronts--
the whole truth must come out, but it will do so in bits and pieces, to be assembled later with further work( Like the new 1200 page book on torture based on released government documents).
It is imperative that the most important potential links be followed up and not lost in the "noise".
Remember, unlike the *ites, the end does not justify the means. That is all that separates us from them. They will have won if we succumb to their tactics.
Plus, there are some nice Republicans who don't know what is going on. We must be able to explain what happened and what we did with honor, consistent with our beliefs.

[DistressedAmerican]

55. We need to stick to them because it is all we have left!

Until we get our hands on some more of that Washington power, we must keep doing what is morally right.

Frankly, to me having the moral high ground is ALMOST as satisfying as having the power. Not quite. But, it beats having neither.

[Ian David]

50. You are correct. The real story is who invited him, who payed him...

who fed him what information, his connection to exposing a CIA field operative, and who was complicit in that act of treason.

However, we also know that Bushler can get away with robbing and murdering and lying all he wants to. What we need is a blue dress.

If we can draw attention to The First Penis, and implicate Bush for personally engaging in homosexual activity, then his sex-obsessed faux-Puritan base of modern-day Pharisees should hang him out to dry.

Did The White House pay him to arrange gay escorts for staff members, foreign dignitaries, and VIPs?

I don't think his Reich-wing base will care about anything he does, unless we can find a blue dress somewhere.

But that really is, I guess, tangential to who invited him, who payed him, who fed him what information, his connection to exposing a CIA field operative, and who was complicit in that act of treason.

[rman]

56. Pointing out the gayness of the anti-gay RW - aka hypocrisy

What's wrong with that?

Are you afraid of what the RW will think of us?

They don't think very highly of us anyway.
The only way to live up to their standards is to become as RW and as hypocritical as they are.

[DistressedAmerican]

58. No, I'm Afraid We Are Becoming Morally Bankrupt For Little

political advantage. Neither suits me well.

I am also concerned, if you read my posts, that the gay issue is obscuring the uncredentialed, hack, mouthpiece angle.

[rman]

65. i'll grant you the latter point

but how does pointing out hypocrisy make one morally bankrupt?

[DistressedAmerican]

66. Pointing out the hypocrisy is one thing.

Running around talking about "mangate" and speculating about whether he is sleeping with someone in the Whitehouse, and generally only getting mileage out of the story because people get excited when they hear the word "gay" is pandering to homophobia that is rampant in the country. That is morally bankrupt.

Some on this thread have openly stated that morally is is wrong but, it is worth it for the political advantage. I strongly disagree.

The way to beat narrow minded assholes who use issues like this to divide, is not to join them in trying to make it a wedge issue WE can exploit. We do not have to become them to win. If we do, it is time to move.

[rman]

72. should we just not mention the gay escort thing?

-

[DistressedAmerican]

74. It is a fine little sdie detail. But, right now it is the focus

They are calling it "MANGATE" for christ sake. It is obscuring the real story. How about "Mouthpiecegate", "press securitygate" or "payolagate" instead. We have to pull back from the sex to the more serious allegations. That's my whole point.

[rinsd]

76. Nail meet head....

"generally only getting mileage out of the story because people get excited when they hear the word "gay" is pandering to homophobia that is rampant in the country. That is morally bankrupt."

Better synapsis than I can provide.

[Geek_Girl]

59. Pimpin ain't easy

The last time I checked Prostitution was illegal. This isn't about whether the guy is gay it's about Werther he engaged in illegal activities, prostitution and treason (by outing a CIA operative).

What if he owned a female prostitution web site. I don't think the media could distort that. Prostitution is prostitution when pundits talk about this they need to be clear and say gay prostitution, not gay porn.

[DistressedAmerican]

60. Can you provide me a link of the prostitution charges?

I keep hear a lot of people repeating that but, I haven't seen much on it beyond the rumors.

Not challenging your comment, just curious. I have not seen anything credible on that charge yet. Help me out.

[Geek_Girl]

62. Goto America blog

He has some pretty compelling evidence that show gannon as owner of the prostitution web sites.

Link

[DistressedAmerican]

64. I'm checking it out and I still do not see the evidence other than

his having registered the website militaryescorts which does 'sound' like prostitution. Does anyone have any evidence that money ever changed hands for sex? That I still can't find.

Thanks for the link.

I'll keep reading in case I have just missed it. My concern is that this is a charge everyone has heard and now just repeats without any evidence. If that is the case, it is no wonder it isn't being reported from the prostitution angle. Not confirm-able?

Not making an argument here. I stick to my original position.

I just want to know if this turkey really has wings or if we are just repeating it ad nauseum.

Frankly, I hope it does. A 'pimp' angle would be good if real. Someone help me out if they know where I can find the info. I have no problem with exploiting that. The Whitehouse SHOULD certainly know these things. If not, it appears there is a serious security problem at 1600!

[MKors2]

68. you've got it right

I'm a DC officer and we looked into this extensively 6 months ago and then 4 weeks ago. There's just not a smoking gun here. We're still investigating but can't come up with anything substantial. Can't devote much more time without results.

[DistressedAmerican]

69. That's what I really want to know.

In a feeding frenzy like this, if we do not fact check regularly and thoroughly we end up with another Rathergate on our hands. I just want to be sure of the things we are charging.

Not, for the record, that I have a second's doubt that this guy is a total scumbag.

Of course, we had Dick Morris hanging around the oval office ourselves.

Note the small number of posts makes me wonder if you are a freeper. No offense if not.

[CTyankee]

78. I agree that this may be a set up

to convince all the red staters that liberal bloggers are just crazy. That would make sense in Rove's brain, discredit the only strong opposition out there. But I don't necessarily think this is like Kerry's Mary Cheney remark. I felt it was oddly out of place even tho I agreed with what he said. It looked fake. And on the Swifties, there wasn't enough fury from the Kerry campaign and the repugs had their people out there organized to hell and back. So these were mistakes in our camp.

I like to think that somehow a "perfect storm" will form against the RW and they will be brought crashing down. If the gay porn site is presented as the curious thing it is, not as evidence of JG's gay pimping (we can't really prove it)then it would be just one more question in a whole lot of questions, the most obvious being "How does a guy using an alias get a WH press pass?" I don't see how they can wriggle out of that one.

[Spazito]

71. LOL!

[Geek_Girl]

70. I think this is pretty compelling

LINK

MilitaryEscortsm4m.com

AKA Military Escorts men 4 men and he's the adminstrator contact.

:shrug:


Sounds like an escort service to me

[rinsd]

77. Are those websites even live?

So far I've only seen that he had registered the domain names and had updated that registration.

[IronLionZion]

73. I'm sorry but gay Republicans are just fucking hilarious!

The faaaaabulous Gay Old Party!

[rinsd]

75. I would tend to agree....

The gay stuff is designed to repulse the homophobes of the GOP base. To pretend that is something else is lying to one's self. We can tell ourselves that this is to expose hypocrisy but the ugly truth is that we want to appeal to other people's ugly nature.

I would also agree about Cheney's daughter. My mom who has spent her life fighting fascism and is a steadfast Democrat was very repulsed by that. She still voted for Kerry of course but she was livid after that happened. And this wasn't even during the RW framing fest. She watches on local 8 news in NJ and BBC. I can't imagine the effect on other people once the Wurlitzer was set in motion.

[Moderator]

79. I'm locking this thread

reason :

Flamebait