Why do I get the Paranoid feeling we were worried about the wrong election

[Rosco T.]

people were so spooked that Chimpy would 'suspend' the '04 elections if he thought he couldn't win. Well, he cheated his way into that and is now running roughshod over everyone, including the sheeple that voted for him...

now, '06 is going to be a watershed. I would think that with all the crap he's shoveled, the House and Senate will fall from the GOP and Chimpy will get his ass impeached. But he's not worried about that, damn the torpdoes, full Slash ahead!

Now, have some data points.

- IRAN being put 'on notice', co-operate or else.

- KOREA this morning, "we got nukes, take your talks and shove it"

- the quiet bill moving thru to let Homeland Security suspend any law.... like... the one that says when ELECTIONS ARE.

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = no '06 election, no shift in power, no impeachment and by the time '08 happens... Ghod knows what....

or am I being really, really PARANOID?

[robcon]

1. Yes

You are being really, really, really paranoid.

[tom_paine]

6. Not too paranoid, rob

After all, the Busheviks have thoroughly and effectively ended Constitutional Checks and Balances, foisted rigged elections and rigged machines on our nation with the greatest of ease, and turned what was once the Greatest Press in the World into a global laughingstock, an instrument of Infoganda at best, and State-Run propaganda by other means at worst.

There's more but I haven't the time to list it all.

Being paranoid about the potential actions of Totalitarians in NEVER unjustified, even if never true, Busheviks as well as Bolsheviks, Nazis, Tonton Macoute, Ba'athists, Khmer Rouge, or any of the varying degress and types of Totalitarianism, not just the latest BushPutinist Variation to come along.

Really, cancelling elections is what the Busheviks are all about, but by other means, by rigging them into pointlessness through Electronic and Manual Disenfranchisement, and the soft control of the media to eventually make Fuhrer Worship a self-fufilling prophecy.

This is an discussion about the subtleties of methodology. But the simpel truth is Totalitarians cannot be trusted and MUCH more often that in the Free World "conspiracy theories" regarding Totalitarian Nations like Imperial Amerika are TRUE.

MUCH more than in the Free World.

No, the Busheviks have alreday effectively cancelled elections by other means and future historians will study the Bushevik Rise to Power as we study the Nazis.

"But how do you stop them? Everything they did was legal."

[pnutchuck]

11. Aren't some of his offenses impeachable?

"The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. " http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/18.html#5

It seems to me, that his wanton disregard for the Constitutional powers Bush is authorized to have, he has to have violated a crime somewhere in there. From the RNC scathing the reputations of Democratic members, to voter fraud, there are provisions in our constitution that are supposed to stop this. Where the hell are the Democratic lawyers?

edit: Oh, and lying our country into war for the sole profit of him, his family, and his buddies. Isn't that treason?

[tom_paine]

12. In the Free World, maybe, but in Imperial Amerika the de facto truth

is that THE PARTY is entirely above the law.

they may have to go through the motions of tanking an investigation, but for the Big Boys, the Imperial Famiyl and their First Tier of Cronies, even if they were caught bloody-handed with a severed head in the trunk, nothing would happen to them.

Nothing.

[pnutchuck]

13. Can't the millions of Americans who feel violated by his lie of war

start some kind of "class action" lawsuit against the President and his administration? People who have lost loved ones in his war, the soldiers returning home with disabilities, they very clearly have suffered his maladministration of the war and this country.

[tom_paine]

14. Sure, as soon as the Soviet Citizenry starts a class action lawsuit vs.

Brezhnev.

Not possible, even if it was legal even in Old, Free America (which I'm not sure it would have been), it sure isn't 'legal' here in Imperial Amerika.

In reality, as I said, (and it will become more clear as the years roll onward) Imperial Amerika's only laws are the Will of the Emperor and the little games and charades the Imperials have to perform to deceive the Imperial Subjects into thinking nothing has changed.

[tom_paine]

2. On this particular issue, probably paranoid

Just like the Roman Republic, the Old American Republic had as it's central myth the fact that the nation was born through breaking a Tyrannical King's Grip. This lead to the core belief of both the Romans and Americans that they were free, and relatively speaking, they were.

For both Roman and America, when Caeser/Bush* came to take it over, they realized that the Central Myth, at least until the last generations raised in Free America/the Roman Republic died off and the Myth was no longer useful, could NOT be broken and in fact, the more the Imperials of both nations shattered it, the more important it was to delude the citizenry that they were doing the exact opposite.

For there is a dangerous time during the transition from Liberty to Tyranny, from Republic to Empire, when if the people actually KNEW what was going on, they MIGHT rise up or resist in other ways.

Hence, the Bushevik repeated use of "freedom" that sounds remarkably similar to the way Stalin, Hitler, or Ferd Marcos use it, and others steps, including the subtle, not wholesale rigging of Amerikan "elections".

"And Caeser wins again, 51-49!"

as oppsoed to

"Saddam wins 99-1%"

Given the recent adavmces inthe psychomanipulative sciences, don;t hold your breath waiting rfor the Busheviks to be so foolish and tip their hands in that fashion or by cancelling "elections".

They don't need to. They own the "Voting Machines" which are already uninspectable and soon they'll all be unauditable. They have effected sea changes and destroyed the Free Press, replacing it with Totalitarian Sub-media and the rest of what used to be the Free Press is cowed, weak, and lazy.

My point: Bush will no more cancel elections than Caeser would have disbanded the Imperial Senate. Both are required to fool the Subjects into thinking they are still free when they are not.

Maybe when the Caligulan generation of Busheviks rules us a in a couple of decades and those of us born if freedom are dead or decrepit.

But the Central Myth of American Freedom is ESSENTIAL to Imperial Control of Amerikan Subjects today.

No cancelled elections, IMHO.

[Demit]

3. And it doesn't mean you're not right :(

[pnutchuck]

4. No, I think you might be on to something

I've heard talk among the Freepers that because Bush was not actually elected by the people, that he can still run for a third term.

Sounds scary, but what if the true conspiracy was making the voting fraud just obvious enough so that the dems would uncover it and cause an asterisk to be put by his name? I mean, then it's not the Republicans creating the monster, but us.

Or, if we end up in a full scale war with the entire Middle East, they can suspend elections indefinitely. Bush does like to claim he is a "war time" president. He's said it so much, the sheeple actually believe in a real, tangible "war on terror", when it's about as tangible as the "war on drugs".

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Whether he was "elected" or not though

doesn't mean he can serve again. He already served according to law so he can't serve again. Thank God.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. At least, not until after they rescind that amendment. n/t

[Nimrod]

5. They canceled elections a LONG time ago

They just forgot to send us the memo. Whoops!

[Mizmoon]

7. I'm trying to ring the firebell over Hillary

she's up for re-election in 06. The GOP has already announced a swiftboatvet effort against her and said they want to "bloody her well before the election".

She is one of their biggest 06 targets. But instead of seeing DUers defending her I keep hearing complaints from them about her. Fine. Perhaps they forgot that she replaced AL D'AMATO - the worst GOP pig ever.

She's not automatically safe because NY is blue. Not by a longshot.

[bryant69]

9. I support Hillary wholeheartedly for her senate Seat.

Although being from Florida, I don't know how much my support gets her. THe problem is that she is also considered a potential Presidential candidate in 2008, and there I don't support her.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[papau]

10. I support Hillary wholeheartedly for her senate Seat - and for President

as does 40% of the party per the poll released today (Kerry is far behind).

As with Dean, the conventional wisdom being put out by the GOP media is that she may have a lock on the nomination if she wants it, but she can't be elected.

I would have liked to see Dean run although I also liked Kerry.

The ABC News con job that turned off crowd noise (via a directional mike) so as to make the "scream", seems to be at work now telling us who we should nominate for 08.

Interesting.

She may be less electible than others - or not. We have 3 years to find out.

[Red State Rebel]

15. Crap, I've been saying this since right after the Nov. Election

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2629349

Thats why I hated seeing so many people get caught up in the Voter Fraud angle. The more time you spend looking back, the bigger the chance you have of running into something in front of you without being ready.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Just cause you're paranoid

doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Like the line in the movie "fear of the dark is what keeps us alive".

[rman]

17. every stolen election is one to many,

and we should worry about every sinlge one.

but it may very well get much worse still.

election 04 obviously isn't the end of the road for the far-Right.

so i don't think you're being paranoid.

[Al-CIAda]

19. Once they replace the Calif. SoS and put in magic machines as in Oh and Fl

If you refuse to acknowledge the elections are being riggeed systematically, state by state, they have already won.

Once Calif. goes, as it may soon, democracy is simply a fisher price toy for the idiot public to believe they are actually determining their representitives.

Democracy is OVER.