Condi Rice caught in a lie

[erpowers]

During the 9/11 commission Condi Rice claimed that she had not received any information of a threat from Al Queda. Yesterday the National Secruity Archive released a memo sent to Rice from Richard Clark. The memo asked Rice to investigate Al Queda.

[KyndCulture]

1. Yes. ok what can we do? Anything? nt

[BikeWriter]

5. Well, uh, the RW impeached Clinton for less.

[Gman]

2. Ho Hum... Another day, another lie from Condi

Slow news day.

[ktowntennesseedem]

8. Right, Too much important news happening right now,

such as the latest on Charles and Camilla's big wedding... Oooh, I can't wait!!!!

[bunkerbuster1]

15. And the Jacko trial!

And don't we gotta execute that Peterson fella someday?

[ktowntennesseedem]

27. I forgot about Peterson!!!

What with Jen and Brad calling it splitsville, Martha Stewart's release coming up soon, the new season of American Idol... there's just too much too keep up with. Repugs don't have to control the media... they're too busy to report real news anyway.

[htuttle]

3. Yes, this was in Clarke's book two years ago

He has also been talking about this at every news appearance for the last two years.

Did people think he was lying?

From what I can see about Clarke -- he's just not the lying type.

[erpowers]

10. Why I Posted This

The reason I posted this is that it finally gives proof. As long as the memo was not released Rice and the Republicans could claim that Rice did not know. Now they have to admit that Rice was told of a threat.

[htuttle]

18. Oh, no questions about that

The memo made the news again recently after the release of the new 9/11 report.

I'm just always amazed at how many 'revelations' come out in the mainstream news that have been fairly common knowledge for years.

(reminds me a bit of the Challenger disaster, when NASA wouldn't confirm the shuttle blew up for what seemed like several hours, even though we all saw it on TV).

[FreedomAngel82]

34. The reason why I think

people said Clarke was lying was a) to cover their own a$$es and b) because he worked with the Clinton administration. We all know they purposely ignored all of Clinton's information and plans on beating Usama BinLadin and Al-Quida, but they hate the Clintons and democrats so much they just ignored everything. Plus of course they wanted it to happen. Remember all the drills of attacks that happened leading up? Someone posted pictures up from it in another post.

[Me.]

4. My Question Is...

why was the memo released yesterday and not before her confirmation hearing? Barbara Boxer certainly would have made hay with it.

[BanzaiBonnie]

6. Was Rice under oath when she spoke to the commision? n/t

[lonestarnot]

9. Yes...discussion last evening in this forum, will get it for you.

[Me.]

12. I Believe It Is SOP

at these hearings, but I didn't see her take the oath so I'm not sure, howver I believe it's against the law the lie to congress.

[babylonsister]

13. Under oath-see here

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcri... /
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- National security adviser Condoleezza Rice testified Thursday under oath and in public before the independent National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States investigating the attacks of September 11, 2001. The White House initially refused to allow Rice's public testimony but reversed its position after pressure from relatives of 9/11 victims, commission members and politicians.

[Bridget Burke]

16. Initially, they wanted her to speak in private, with no oath.

So getting her to actually testify (under oath) before the Commission took quite a bit of effort.

Of course, Bush & Cheney were allowed to meet with the Commission together, in private. And no oaths were sworn.

[G_j]

17. too bad they didn't ask her about her sex life under oath

then maybe there would be some outrage if she had lied

<sarcasm>

[FreedomAngel82]

35. That would've been funny

if someone slipped in the question and she didn't catch it and answered. Haha.

[KyndCulture]

7. good question! nt

[stepnw1f]

11. The Only Reason They Have Gotten Away with These Lies....

is because they, the Republican Party, have rigged 3 elections to get their ilk elected and into powerful positions to protect their asses. Three elections have been tampered with. Say what you want, but these lunatics did not get to where they are through a transparent election process.

These folks are way below standard for the positions they hold in office today.

[sellitman]

22. They CONTROL everything. That is why ...

they get away with lies. There ain't a dam thing we can do about it. They control the airwaves, the press and the government. We are on the outside looking in. This ain't our country anymore.Until the machines get un-rigged it ain't gonna change. Regain control of the voting machines and they will be toast.

:wow:

[stepnw1f]

32. Get Rid of the Machines

better solution

[FreedomAngel82]

36. The only way we're going to get back in

is if we get RID of the voting machines. Machines can ALWAYS be hacked in. No matter what. So we have to get back to paper ballots.

[lonestarnot]

14. Here it tis...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.

[Jazzgirl]

20. Link doesn't work.

n/t

[indepat]

19. Almost everything said from the mouths of neocons is a big lie

[flordehinojos]

21. lies are nothing to the bush infested administration. if anything, lies

are a badge of honor to them.

[dryan]

23. My suggestion....

write letter to your congressmen and senators asking for a congressinal investigation. Also, send copies of your letters to the editor of your local newspaper.

[hector459]

24. What do you mean by "a lie?" She lied many times.

And is still doing it.

[Roland99]

25. There were warnings issued in Dec. 1999

12-Dec-1999 U.S. issues worldwide warning:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/560856.stm (I think this link is dead now, though)

13-Dec-1999 U.S. Department of State Daily Press Briefing
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news/1999/12/991213db-terror.htm

14-Dec-1999 Ressam is caught in Washington state.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. There's nothing wrong with lying under oath.

It's for the greater good of the repuke party. She did it for her country. :grr: When are the Dem congress critters going to start screaming bloody hell about this?

[north chariot]

28. Whoa ! Rice DID say she and Clark talked of Al Queda ! Several times !

Rice told the commission that a plan to attack al Qaeda that Clarke presented to her soon after the Bush administration took office had some elements the new administration adopted, but others that would have led the country "off course."

Instead, she said, the Bush administration focused on a regional approach to al Qaeda.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/911.commission/

[FreedomAngel82]

39. So who is lying?

Rice or Clarke? Clarke said he tried several times to talk to Rice and the Bush administration but they didn't.

[wiggs]

29. Not just condi

Most administration representatives and the media framed the issue to imply that Bush did at least as much as Clinton, addressed all information presented to it, and that Clarke was a disgruntled employee who was out of the loop.

Condi lied. But this was a concerted effort by many people and organizations to keep blame from Bush for 9/11 and incompetence.

This should be big news. I didn't see one word today in LA Times. There should be much more discussion about this on DU and in any independent media. There should be outrage. Those interested in LIHOP should be all over this.

9/11 Commission members knew about this but were gagged from talking about it.

Kick for days.

[hughee99]

30. Is a memo asking her to investigate Al Queda

a "threat"? or a request to investigate a potential threat. Just based on your post, this isn't a very convincing "Gotcha".

[ctaylor]

31. not to pick nits

but my copy of Webster's defines a lie as

"to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive".

We can't prove anything about here intent. It is possible that she forgot. We need to be accurate in our own claims, lest we be accused of "lying" too everytime we make a mistake (or misuse a word).

But hey, if you think that a "Bush Lied!" bumpersticker on your car passes for a reasoned response to the difficulties of dealing with uncertainties in the intelligence process, then don't let me stop you from demonstrating to a few more voters how seriously we take the responsibilities of government.

[Dr Fate]

41. OOOPSS! Another accident- hundreds and hundreds of "accidents"

Yup- the literally hundreds of things that Bush/media says that turns out not to be true are "accidents"- just innocent, happy little accidents.

And according to you- calling people "liars" NEVER works in elections either- just ask Al "I invented the internet" Gore- right???

NEWS FLASH- the GOP/media ALREADY calls us liars & "flip-floppers"

Accidents, not lies-GOTCHA!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Of course she was caught in a lie

We all knew it. They ignored Clinton's plans and information because of who he was and how much they hate him. :eyes: Richard Clarke tried SO hard to have a meeting with Bush after he was selected in office but nobody did. He was on vacation a lot of the time his first few months and did NOTHING. France and Germany, I believe, even tried to warn him and who knows who else. But they had to let PNAC come through of course. Only way we'll ever get these people is if more democrats get in 2006 and then take back the house in more numbers and work on impeachment hearings for them all (and I think there should be a lie dector test).

[Dr Fate]

37. But top-Democrats are too Chickenshit to call her a "Serial Liar"

But TOP Repubs had NO PROBLEM calling Clinton that every night on TV for four years- also a "rapist" and "phoney" and a "Red Chinese Spy"

At least one party knows how to fight and win-too bad its the wrong one.

[LittleClarkie]

38. How can you tell when Condi's lying?

Her lips are moving.

[Dr Fate]

40. Why cant Kerry, Hillary or Obama say that on TV???

Its TRUE- its funny as hell, "Swing voters" would understand it, and people would remember it.

I'm serious- DEMS need to be BLUNT and agressive- we are just spinning our wheels at DU- we say a lot of great talking points, but they are never used.

[bgb217]

42. Something MUST be done

Does anyone want to go to Washington with me/ have any ideas how something can be done? Seriously, this woman has (among many in the current admin., been caught in lie, after lie; shouldn't we as democratic citizens have at least the right to start an investigation process? Isn't there some way she can be removed from office-- she was sworn in, right? I just can't take these lies for another 4 years... but sadly, it looks like those in power really don't care.

[Al-CIAda]

43. kick